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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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1/6/2008 4:39:10 PM
--------musical commissions-------
Has anyone been involved with the Advertising industry-------------- commissioning music for TV adds or video clips ?
We have been offered a contract for a weed killer Add--------agricultural spray for Vineyards.
Tis an organic bio degradable product---so we're keen but how does one go about pricing, and what are the fishhooks?
Any advice would be useful-------thanks all!
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Duane Flock
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1/6/2008 5:00:02 PM
Congrats guys!
I would make sure you own the copyrights to everything. Check with a reputable publisher because of the different types of royalties ie: music verses TV.
You might be smart to retain yourself a lawyer to read over your contract too.
Do your Homework!!!
Good luck,
D.
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Two Silo Complex
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1/6/2008 5:18:47 PM
Hey Rob,
That is great news congrats!
I agree you should hire a music lawyer to review the contract. Not a standard laywer either choose one who only does music. Royalty rights are confusing. With a TV commercial that may be played serveral times a day you want to make sure you get paid.
Good luck.
TSC
Ken
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Steve Ison
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1/7/2008 2:20:20 AM
Nice one Rob.. Look forward to hearing what you do with it..
One of my big dreams is to get a song in a film one day..That'd be the ultimate for me..
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Tony Vani and Debbie Hoskin
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1/7/2008 4:42:10 AM
Wow..........that's great. Congratulations Rob. I can't help you in the money or legal dept though, expecially New Zealand law. :-) deb
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Hugh Hamilton
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1/7/2008 6:40:42 AM
Good luck with it Rob...keep us posted...
Hugh
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Black Velvet Lace
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1/7/2008 6:58:56 AM
Rob,
I know zip about your question, but wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS!!
xox
~Lace~
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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1/7/2008 2:17:43 PM
hey guys
thanks for all the positive feedback !
We are meeting with the producer and client this week, so nothing is sewn up just yet ---but they like the didge sounds on "Gondwana" and want something that sounds like "jaws" but organic----it will be a neat experience getting our toe in the door, and i hope we land it---at the moment we are first in line--that's it!
Hey, I really appreciate the feedback thanks!!!!!!!
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The Man With No Band
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1/7/2008 2:25:05 PM
I have no doubt you'll pull it off .... Go get 'em Robbie !
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Ben Elliot
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1/7/2008 3:25:01 PM
I have a contract with a syncronisation agency who sell music to films, tv ads, computer games etc. Its basically on a commision basis which works well for me as they dont own the song they have on thier books but if a big company picks it up ill be in for a decent amount. Unfortunately it also means that when noone uses it i get fuck all.. Its a bit different from what youve been offered but if you want to have a look over the contract let me know and Ill email it to you.
I imagine you have something similar but in the UK we have the musicians union. its about £120 a year to join but they give you 1 hr free consultation with a music lawyer for each contract you are offered. This has worked really well for me so far as a US cable show wanted to use my 'unsigned' music on thier show. They bigged it up to be something great with the writer of blah blah and the producer of whatever.. but had I not had this free thing with the MU i wouldnt have noticed that although they wouldnt own the copyright, the director and producer would have rights to use and sell my music without giving me a penny. i was also recently offered a publishing deal which although it looks to be really good on first read, there was so much hidden stuff that made no sense to me. even though none of it is bad for me, there is a heap of stuff I really need to know about to make sure I dont infringe on the contract.
Anyway, ramble over, my main points are...
1. if you want to have a look over to compare my syncronisation contract with yours just let me know.
2. if youre not already, join your music union.. esp if they have some sort of legal offerings.
3. always make sure the lawyer you use explains in the contract in basic terms to you. not just to make sure theyre not fucking you over but to make sure you dont inadvertantly fuck them over and get sued.
4. Awesome work, well done.
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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1/7/2008 4:00:53 PM
Hey Ben that would be excellent!
I'll send you my email address by pm!
tnx Sammy!!!
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Maria Daines
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1/7/2008 4:23:08 PM
Huge congrats Silverwood & good luck with this!! What a great start to the New Year for you, well done :) As everyone has said, individual contracts should be carefully looked over in minute detail by a professional music lawyer, can't stress that enough, the business side of music can be very tricky to navigate and you need to protect your work and be part of a mutually beneficial arrangement. Having said that it's always good to have opportunities and it shows you're producing commercial work which might come in handy for opening doors in many directions.
All the best
M&P xx
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Beth Fridinger
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1/8/2008 3:33:56 AM
hi I would contact ASCAP, I think you can find it at http://www.ascap.com You can find out a lot about the music business here and may be able to get the info you need. If you look at the site there are a lot of areas to get information.
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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1/8/2008 12:37:58 PM
Hi Maria and Beth--------- new year hugs
thanks a lot ---yeah we are joining APPRA which is the NZ equivalent---we are travelling to Christchurch today to have a meeting tomorrow----the main 2 points are price and who owns the rights ---these are like a counter balance --if we want to retain the rights the price goes down--it's funny haggling about music that hasn't been created yet----maybe we go for the money?
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KENYON
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1/8/2008 12:48:09 PM
Hey Rob
Congrats! The money is cool but if suddenly you hear your song on another commercial with another product............ but then again you can make more songs that may be just as good! Either way its very very very cool!
What a great New Year for all of you!
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Shayne Malone
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1/8/2008 1:09:13 PM
Wow, great to meet a fellow NZer that's doing so well!! Congrats to you :) I agree with what the others have said... definitely get yourself a lawyer that is solely music based. There is a guy, David McLaughlin, who is a specialist music lawyer with Auckland law firm McLaughlin Law. Maybe that might be worth a try?
Anyways, best of luck :) Let me know how you get on.
Cheers
Shayne
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