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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 10:50:24 AM
Indies don't crack any ceilings because most of them are incapable of generating any excitement about themselves.
The pipeline has gotten highly boring lately. So many blogs about here's my song and here's my station. So few dynamic charismatic artists. It really does seem like artist images on this site and elsewhere have taken the sober direction. How are listeners supposed to gravitate towards your music when you seem to just want to be another cog in the wheel? Why such a lack of colorful presences, is it because of insufficient bravery, or creativity? Is it because the fashion of the day makes it seem not kosher to exclaim anything? Maybe it's because so few have done any work recently that they are actually excited about?
Take this personally.
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Bananafishü
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10/24/2008 10:58:24 AM
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BANANAFISHÜ!!!
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The Man With No Band
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10/24/2008 11:00:36 AM
Not sure if you could handle the whole Banana .... Banana ... :)
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Hop On Pop
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10/24/2008 11:16:23 AM
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Okay, I'll say it about my own music...
I am THE SHIT!
Okay?
I hit all sorts of styles.
I write songs like nobody else.
And, frankly, given the exposure, I would be bigger than The Beatles.
I was the Last Next Big Thing. And once folks think that my time has passed, I will actually be the Next Next Big Thing. I'm that fucking good.
I'm such a genius that not even I, with all my genius, can grasp the scope of my own genius!
Bring on Oasis, those pussies.
Radiohead?
Overrated.
I just need the budget and the exposure and the world will bow to me.
I am eLeMeNO.
I am Cash Cow.
I am ChewToy.
I
am
Hop
On
Muthafukkin'
POP
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Man With No Band
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10/24/2008 11:19:52 AM
.... and the wide eyed groupies gather into a deafening chant ...
Hop On Pop ... Hop On Pop ... HOP ON MUTHA F^(^)KING POP !!!!!!!
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Hop On Pop
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10/24/2008 11:20:53 AM
was that okay?
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Auset
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10/24/2008 11:21:02 AM
wooooooo-hoooo, ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! i love it, i hug it, i kiss it....
genius!
oh, my...
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Bob Elliott
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10/24/2008 11:35:02 AM
It's all about having or not having the music.
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Hop On Pop
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10/24/2008 11:40:47 AM
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I agree and disagree with you, Bob.
If that were entirely the case, you would be living in a mansion, raking in the residuals from your million-selling albums.
Despite my apparently flippant response, Banana does have a point, in that there is the need to promote oneself, just to get heard. How many records did Velvet Underground sell? Emmitt Rhodes? I can get more and more obscure (as you know) with all of this, but the ability and desire to promote is, sadly, even more of a factor than the quality of the music itself.
Of course, once you do get heard, THAT's when the music will make a bigger difference.
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Fyvwunsyx
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10/24/2008 12:02:56 PM
Dunno 'bout this. There was some dude calling himself the "egoman" the other day procaliming himself the best vocalist of all time. I thought it was pretty funny. Some others took him very seriously and were offended by his boasting.
I thought that was pretty dynamic (Not sure about charismatic).....;)
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Jesse Adams
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10/24/2008 12:06:32 PM
You're not very exciting banana but you don't hear me bitching...
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10/24/2008 1:42:21 PM
And then the banana began to speak ... and wisdom was had by all.
If I was interesting and charismatic and dynamic as you say... I would funnel my powers into being a comic ... then all I'd have to work on would be the funny part, but only on purpose which is where I usually fail.
If I had an advertising budget I wouldn't even know where to start ... like, what would I say ? I'm the best thing since sliced bread ! Come and hear me sing for I am brilliant ! Cometh forth and partake of my special genius and behold my glory ! For I am a crack*a ... a crack*a of jacks and crows which means nothing but I might make something up with a glossy pic that might seem poignant and let you project your own meaning upon it. Come and listen to me for I will enlighten you with my talentedness and you will never be the same even if that means you can only pee sitting down for the rest of your life or standing up depending upon which gender you are. If you miss out on me you will only be missing out on your heart and then you will shrivel and turn into a sad old miser wasting away in loneliness forever more ... bitches.
Todd inspired me to partake in the boastful rant but alas the funny part still eludes my limited comic abilities and so does the glory of myself. Back to the drawing board ...
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Kevin White
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10/24/2008 1:54:49 PM
I don't want to be famous.
Fame sucks. I like leaving the house w/o photographers lurking.
I don't care about any ceiling. One man's ceiling is another's floor.
I don't care about making money off of music. I want to have fun.
I want to make good music ... doing the best I can.
That's it.
It can then speak for itself.
Kev-
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Jeff Allen Myers
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10/24/2008 2:04:28 PM
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In the end, its still the Web we are talking about....hell I am talking to a fricken Banana! My online presence is honest, in that what you get is not some puffed up blow smoke up my own ass artist.(not infering anyone here is) I put myself and my music out there to be heard for anyone that cares to take a moment to listen. Some personalities shine on the net....others come off as brash, arrogant amd insincere. I don't worry about that, I try to make myself visable enough to where I may catch someones eye. I hope people get interested enough to listen, it is my primary goal.Music fame and Success as a career has long been a dream that has sailed. I now write and record everything on my own. I love the process, and I love sharing the results. This website is a godsend as an outlet for creative music.
To get more dynamic, perhaps I should post a picture of my Bare ass, or fully nude wearing only a sock on my fiendish thingy? Oh wait, The Peppers already did that :)
Peace.
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LyinDan
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10/24/2008 2:11:36 PM
Leave the sock off if you want real honesty.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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10/24/2008 2:14:16 PM
The full Monty eh? heheh Naw.....I am much to reserved, perhaps Laree would go for it...he has got the Balls :)
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Richard Scotti
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10/24/2008 3:29:30 PM
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I don't really need to do anything to attract attention. All I do is put the music up and people either listen or they don't. But apparently they are listening because after 6 months I'm being payed on 95 radio stations and several of my songs are either in the top 50 or the top 20 of their respective genres. I had a #1 song on Cashbox for 4 weeks and I presently have a song on the Underground 40. So I feel like I must be doing something right. I have several new songs that will be completed soon and I think they are the best I've ever done and dfferent from what I've done as well. I think that will genrate some new buzz. If you over-hype yourself, people get annoyed and then it's hard to live up to your own hype. Frankly I just don't give a damn because I let my music do the talking. I get great comments from people and very complimentary e-mails. Gimmicks are just bullshit and usually alienate listeners. I put all my creative energy into the music. When something is good, people find it. You don't have to hit them over the head to get them to listen. Make good music and they will come. Neon lights are tacky.
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Jesse Adams
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10/24/2008 6:13:11 PM
"I don't really need to do anything to attract attention. All I do is put the music up and people either listen or they don't."
Exactly, Richard. ;)
crack*a*jack*crow, I thought your post was funny... bitches. haha
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Nigels
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10/24/2008 6:47:49 PM
Im with BANANAFISHÜ!!!
anyway whay chance has a little monkier with a rose got
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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10/24/2008 6:57:54 PM
glass ceilings etc--
--- are only there for silly old ewes (read bananas--- or other herd animals)----- herd animals who believe ALL they read or see on TV!!!
Hell banana, you didnt even notice, when we peeled ewe back and took a bite----
We don't make music for $$$$--------- and anyone who has that as their main goal is pretty much doomed from the start.
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jivewhiteboy
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10/24/2008 7:31:43 PM
i agree and disagree with this post.
for a lot of the mainstream audience, just as much as they want music, they want a personality to grab onto and excite their senses.
at the same time, many of the great albums in indie music are solely what cause excitement for a band. no one knows much about artists like "boards of canada", but when their album "music has the right to children" came out they became a household name in the indie music world.
i think it's a little bit of both sometimes, but sometimes it's only one or the other. i'd rather have the good music than just the good image. but both can be nice.
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10/24/2008 7:52:40 PM
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Hi, my name is Frederick Baugher. I am April Mestiya's manager. I understand where banana boy is coming from, but what he needs to understand is that the dynamic, exciting stars of tomorrow (like my client) are not on the internet developing content for their various web pages. Yes, April has a considerable presence on the internet but all of it is tightly controlled by me and my staff in accordance with the internet marketing strategy that my office developed with the aide of PR/marketing consultants. The wild west days of independent music on the internet are over. If an artist has potential for commercial success you're going to see the same basic presentation for him/her on every web site like IAC. That presentation is designed to get potential new fans to visit the artist's main (content rich) site. In other words, what banana boy is witnessing is the gradual transformation of sites like IAC into marketing feeder sites for mass market music.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 8:07:43 PM
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A lot of things I want to answer about here. I'll start with Frederick the flailing know-it-all.
1. Some stars of today and tomorrow ARE on the web. That blanket statement is just wrong. Artists do a lot of different things that are not recommended in silly books about promotion.
Your strategy at least here is pretty weak because I'm barely aware of your artist's name, let alone her music. She's been here 3 months and is on 3 stations. Nothing really has stirred my interest enough to listen at this point or perhaps I did listen awhile back and just don't remember. You need better consultants, yours might be incompetent.
2. The wild west days are not over. There are a million possibilities of what one can do to make a name for themselves. The fact that you don't think so shows your lack of imagination.
3. Your final summary of what we're "going to see" is really just what artists who allow themselves to be "tightly controlled" will be doing. Because you, Mr Manager boy have heard that this is what's done and this is what has to be done is irrelevant to truly creative, groundbreaking individuals. I suspect that few people are going to see your client's "content rich" site because your efforts here (and probably elsewhere) have not been very compelling at all. I am guessing April's domain site is boring too because I can tell by your demeanor that anything under your tight control would almost have to be, by definition. :D
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more to come as I find the time.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 8:21:13 PM
Jive White Boy and also Bob Elliott to an extent, I agree that if you don't have any music that cuts the muster, promo would seem to be pretty irrelevant in that case. Why bother?
You mentioned JWB a band called "boards of Canada'. I never heard of them. Household name? Not at all.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 8:32:22 PM
A number of you write you don't want money, you don't want fame. That's your prerogative of course but I'm skeptical in most cases because I see how most people who say that respond with a little bit of positive reinforcement like when the rare fan comes out of the woodwork.
Jeff speaks of a dream that has sailed and that's more of an honest evaluation I think. I disagree with Silverwood about the pursuit of these things meaning that you are doomed. Maybe he means your morale is doomed but if you don't have sufficient morale, you were probably doomed even if success came into your vicinity. The fact is, and you should always be clear on this, that if you don't try, and I mean with some seriousness, you have no chance. You can accept "doom", sure, but most indie artists, even the ones you think you admire for their resourcefulness, never really TRY to make things happen for themselves in a committed way. I believe this is mostly because they have a realistic view of their own talent and feel that their work is nothing to get that excited about. Still I've heard phenomenal artists on indie sites and most of them didn't try too hard either.
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Nigels
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10/24/2008 8:41:51 PM
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Banana
You just seem to pick lines out of peoples post and ignore the context,
Silverwood is clearly stating that something that is truly creative is not for the herd, the crass commercial worldview represented by Fred B.
Silverwood has not put any morale perspective on it at all, they are coming at it from the perspective of art and creativity setting trends not following them
Anyway I have enjoyed your thread, at least it gets us all thinking about an important issue as we dont want to see IAC fall into Freds narrow little box he built for us.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 8:52:12 PM
Not moral, Nigels, low morale is what I was talking about. I assume that's what he meant by doomed. If you get your hopes up, there is a pretty good chance you will have a rude awakening. I've seen a lot of artist have rude awakenings that never really tried though, never really committed themselves to tackling the whole journey/enchilada, which doesn't make a lot of sense.
That's an interesting point you make though. I tend to think that good music will find an audience, even if it's not anywhere close to sounding like anything in the mainstream. Sure there are very eccentric artists who might find 3 fans in the whole world and everybody else doesn't get their music, but really good stuff will find its "herd". Remember, if 1 out of 10,000 people love your music enough to buy your CD, you could be rich if you get enough exposure.
There are a lot of artists who draw casual interest. The grail though is to be good enough that even people on the internet who don't buy many CDs say "I'm going to buy this".
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jivewhiteboy
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10/24/2008 9:06:41 PM
i'm not convinced that because you haven't heard of them that they aren't household in the sense of indie music and indie music fans.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 9:12:11 PM
I've never seen them mentioned here, have you?
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Nigels
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10/24/2008 9:15:43 PM
Bannana
My spelling is appalling, I meant morale, Im not going to get to much into what SWood was saying I just used it as an example of your criticism. Everyone walks on a different path, you seem to judge everything on success and fame in a way you and Fred B have a lot more in common that you may realize.
Its hard for artists to write about themselves in a promotional context, but many wishing to remain independent recoil in horror from the managerial ethos of the likes of FB.
There is a music industry and then there is art the two exist symbioticaly.
Art will suffer if the needs of the industry predominate. You seem obsessed with the market place, if some one participates in a commercial transaction that give legitimacy to the industry not the music.
However you have a good sound argument, IAC is a commercial enterprise and has to pay the bills somehow, I would hate to see it end up Fred B's way. Successful independent artists are essential to this place, promotion will be vital for that success.
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jivewhiteboy
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10/24/2008 9:23:49 PM
not very much music beyond the early 90's is ever mentioned here if you catch my drift.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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10/24/2008 9:26:58 PM
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"the gradual transformation of sites like IAC into marketing feeder sites for mass market music"
Wow Frederick that line is so shallow and devoid of substance... Iac is more then a "feeder" site for Mass Market music. Music for the Mass Market in most respects are devoid of creativity, and it is against the spirit of this site. If you truly want to market, let your "client" speak for herself, Iac is not subserviant to promotion. Your client may have Talent, but it will not be coveted here. Music and creativity often get lost in the pursuit of Success. Business by the book is really boring...
Anyway good luck to you and your client, this site is truly about the independent artist, writer, musician and thinker.... it is not an outlet in which to exploit with a marketing strategy bought and paid for. Sure, IAC need successful artists, but a bland presence only helps to get more people here...the music will then need to speak for itself, there is some truly great music that people may never hear unless they look for it. The raw force of indie music is different...and a reason to be here...otherwise ITUNES is the place to be for commercialized fluff.
Also, I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression, I am very serious about the music I write and perform. I have some prospects for some tracks to get placed in Movies and TV. The "Pop star" dream has passed, but the music still has potential. Peace
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Lars Mars
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10/24/2008 9:46:43 PM
My ceiling is cracked....
and it's going to rain tomorrow night...
How 'bout a hand fixin' it?
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Jeff Allen Myers
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10/24/2008 9:57:36 PM
"I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in, and stops my mind from wondering......"
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Jesse Adams
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10/24/2008 10:05:53 PM
"not very much music beyond the early 90's is ever mentioned here if you catch my drift."
Haha, I hear you loud and clear on that one dude, believe me.
So banana, if you're so smart why don't you tell us what YOU would do to promote yourself and gain universal success overnight?
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 10:14:50 PM
I'm not judging artists who aren't gearing themselves up to make some kind of attempt to be a so-called success, just observing that if there is anyone here who is doing that, it may not be kicking in.
Most of the music mentioned here is current. The music on this site. We're talking about indies, right?
I don't think what I would do to promote myself would apply in particular to others here. The question you should be asking is, is there something I can do that would make someone looking in more likely to listen to me. What do you stand for? Or is most everyone a humble artist just uploading some songs, chap?
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Bob Elliott
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10/24/2008 10:30:09 PM
"Jive White Boy and also Bob Elliott to an extent, I agree that if you don't have any music that cuts the muster, promo would seem to be pretty irrelevant in that case. Why bother? "
That's not what I mean when I say it's all about having or not having the music.
I mean it's all about having or not having the music.
"It really does seem like artist images on this site and elsewhere have taken the sober direction. How are listeners supposed to gravitate towards your music when you seem to just want to be another cog in the wheel? Why such a lack of colorful presences, is it because of insufficient bravery, or creativity? Is it because the fashion of the day makes it seem not kosher to exclaim anything? Maybe it's because so few have done any work recently that they are actually excited about?
Take this personally."
I don't know how you might gravitate to my music. I just know it's creative. I've never been a cog. I've been after something in the music space. That's where my head is at.
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Jesse Adams
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10/24/2008 10:54:13 PM
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Chap?
Thank you for letting me know what I should be doing, I appreciate the assistance. I take advice from fruit all the time.
"I don't think what I would do to promote myself would apply in particular to others here."
I think you say that because you have no real ideas or answers, you just want to pick on people.
I stand for myself. I want people to listen to my stuff, I want to be heard. If I didn't think anybody was going to listen to my shit, I wouldn't be here. But I know they will because I'm good. If you put out a quality product people can't ignore you forever. Sooner or later you're going to start getting peoples attention. Besides that, check my page, check my artwork... I think you'll find I'm a little more than your average artist. At the same time, I'm not going to run around waving my arms telling everyone how great I am, because ultimately that's a decision they have to make for themselves. Besides I'd rather spend more time working on new music, after all that's what this is about... not recognition... that's just a bonus really, not the goal.
Maybe you'd understand that if you were an artist, which you're obviously not.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 11:09:50 PM
Jesse, you're taking this blog personally. That's good. I've looked at your page. You show some effort in making your page realm interesting, and you seem to be fairly upfront on the pipeline. Yet you're still finding yourself. In what way does your artist image reflect your music?
If I wanted to pick on people, some of the people around would be trembling in fear. :D My blog was selfish because I get bored seeing people just phone it in. I disagree with you about that, which you posted. People can ignore you even if you put out a really great product. Sooner or later you will either get more serious or write any mission you had off with some excuse or another, even though you may still make music. Like I said it's up to you whether you want to even think about the topic of success. If you don't, this blog is probably irrelevant to you.
I don't come across as an artist? That amuses me.
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Jesse Adams
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10/24/2008 11:27:13 PM
Yes banana you're obviously very intelligent. Goodie for you.
People could ignore me, but they won't, because I'm making myself present with a quality product. The longer I'm around and the more music I make, the more people will hear me. It's really only a matter of time. I firmly believe that. I'm not on a mission, I just want to make music for a living. I know I can do this, and I believe it will happen. I'm also not in a rush, because as you said I'm still finding myself. Why not be as good as I can be before jizzing myself all over the face of the music industry?
My artist image is myself. My music is me. I AM my music.
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the perfect banana
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10/24/2008 11:50:18 PM
That's right, goodie for me, you obnoxious twit. :D
"It's really only a matter of time. I firmly believe that. I'm not on a mission, I just want to make music for a living."
It's this kind of attitude that will leave you in limbo.
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 12:24:35 AM
See? I already have objects of perfection quoting me. I'm just getting started... unlike many members here, I'm only 26.
I've grown tired of this nonsense. I could have posted my KIAC player on 50 websites and sent a CD to every radio station in the state by now.
I'm off to rule the world...
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kurtkurtley
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10/25/2008 12:37:55 AM
Geez....you piss in everybody's cornflakes, get people riled up about not putting forth enough style and effort, diss the product and then reduce the quest to a
"so-called success"? Where are you really going here?
Has all that potassium gone to your head?
Does a banana, even a perfect banana, have a head?
Is my music perfect and my effort paltry?
Does anybody even give a flying hoot?
In my limited knowledge of the world, musicians are not the best businesspersons or promoters. Seems like when they're handed out, you either get the "artist gene" or the "business gene".
I got a rock....
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PopiKoK
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10/25/2008 2:11:45 AM
Alright for F&ck's Sake
Simple... It's All very Simple it just needs to be Done
No, it's not all about the music anymore. No matter how powerful, beautiful and brilliant the song or any art it is much harder to prevail. It is because as a F6cking race we are growing quite numb to our own senses in a disturbing way.
Money buys Fame, Celebrity, Genius, Beauty. It even fixes murder. There is only so many spaces in the market of Fame at a time and the masses with all the high speed living in an ADD world are catching the marketing plans the Money has designed before the true brilliant can gather enough steam to take one of the top spots. THAT IS THE TRUTH. IT IS OK. IT MUST BE BECAUSE THATS THE FUCK*NG way it is.
Now calmly except it and it will be easier for us to deal with it. Please. Or it will not change. If your face was on the television, magazines etc you would be famous, genius, a talented artist, a successful artist, with great music so on so on on on on & on. If millions of people see a picture of you holding stacks of cash at hundreds of different occasions you will end up making a S^it load of money. It is the way it works for the masses and these are the rules we have to operate with. UNTIL WE/YOU/I CHANGE THEM. ITS OK. ONCE YOU DECIDE TO EXCEPT THE TRUTH IT CAN BE CHANGED. Try it please.
We just need to put the brilliance with the money** (It will happen because once it works the money** will still make money**) one of the spots will be taken. Now the contrast between songs/artists/humans from the Money & the money** should be so great it will open more and eventually start to strip the numbing senselessness and pull the blinders off the sheep after waking from the walking while totally asleep. You already knew its absolute and true. And in the grand scheme of things it must be this way. Life needs a catalyst to create a brighter day.
Now/if/When/once you have excepted. If rules in mind while its erected. Then it will all turn round but better than before. Yes, this is a big game. Truth denies reversion to the Same Same. Please except expect erect own your life your stance a chance
for you for I for us & entire F6cking planet in the entire f7cking universe and world.
And Perfect Banana I really do admire and respect you for taking time and feeling duty with the choice to start the fire and incite. It will absolutely happen before the worlds a crapper I hope/maybe/it should it could start to start as soon as this very night.
One more thing to admit into your soul as truth because of its wide spread misconception. To truly control or have the most control especially when talking about the things that really matter. Like dreams, wishes, happiness...... You must completely convince and give into the fact that TO HAVE THE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL YOU MUST SURRENDER TO THE BELIEF and LET F6CKING GO
Satro & PopiKoK
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satch
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10/25/2008 2:51:12 AM
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Good post there from Satro & PopiKoK! And obviously a keenly felt topic!
For us, having a presence here on IAC is great and a lot of fun, we've met a load of good people, discovered some great music and musicians, and enjoyed doing so! But we don't spend a lot of time on-line here because it's not where we see our customer-base, although all of our songs have been in the top 20 of the World genre chart for as long as we can remember (like years and years!), hey at one point we had all of our songs in the World top 10!
Is that success? I guess that depends on what one is after, but it is not a relevant measure of success for us, simply because it does not translate into sales. For us, success is about earning enough money from our music to enable us to make more music that we feel to be relevant to the times we live in and which is also appealing and accessible to the those people who we consider to be our "market" - which is the many thousands of good people who go to summer festivals in the UK.
For Susan and me, the internet is about point-of-sale via our personal web site at susanraven.com - that's where we direct our customers to. Whenever we perform live we sell piles of CD's, but there are always people who want to buy a CD but who don't have the cash to hand, so we direct those people to our web site so they can buy the CD's at a later date - and they do!
As far as success goes, to earn enough from our music to live on and to keep on making music and performing is good enough for us! It's a great life and we make good music. So, it's plain and simple really - we don't shout about our music here at IAC because IAC people do not buy our CD's, and we need to sell CD's in order to have money to live on while making more music...
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the perfect banana
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10/25/2008 5:21:25 AM
"Does anybody even give a flying hoot?"
If they don't, why don't they? I've seen indie artists that people do give a hoot about. Not lately though.
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the perfect banana
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10/25/2008 5:28:10 AM
re: Hop on Pop
That was spirited, now you have to live it. :D
But really, just saying you're great is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about establishing an integrated compelling image that makes a listener gravitate towards your music. something that makes people say this character seems happenin', I gotta listen.
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10/25/2008 5:53:09 AM
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Is this alluring and sexy enough for you banana have you no shame ?!
I've posted a pic of me in my younger days ( 3 days ago ) but I feel I just get prettier the older I get as my new and approved image might attest ... It's amazing what glue can do. I didn't want to have to stoop to my sexiness to lure in listeners but I can see I'm gonna have to pull out all the stops! So here is my soon to be attention grabbing new look ... try and ignore me now fuddy duddy's !!!!! Thanks for all the help banana and my what a fantastic sense of humor everyone has it's just a laugh a minute round here I must say ! I'm sure your all gonna be fucking your brains out tonight !
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Art Factory
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10/25/2008 6:12:25 AM
As usual Banana, you have a way of stirring the pot.. here's my 2 cents on what has become a broad yet important topic on many levels as brought up here...
From what I have observed what this site offers in the present moment is a creative forum for indie musicans of varring degrees of experience and "success". Art is primary, promotion and marketing is secondary. In my mind the greatest achievement is always in how the art effected a listener.. but that will also drive someone to purchase. This is part of what inspired me with the station The Mystic.
I feel what you are addressing here Banana, is not as much about the business side but the artistic way in which an artist represents themselves. There is a risk one takes when blogging openly on any site in that how people represent themselevs reflects as a form of P.R., perhaps without some knowing it and that could become a detriment, in other cases (I think you are reacting to this) is not seeing an artist stand out in the way their music reflects in their image, bio, blogging.
I like the site for the candor and exchange of creative thought, however I do not like when it appears that people slam each other to promote or puff themselves up in a way that is disrespectful to those involved. What I, (as a listener) find more interesting by way of and artist representing themselevs is more in the thoughts of thier process rather than what looks to be community banter. That's of course all part of the package within a community site, however there are many more people than the 10-20 active pipeliners you'll want to attract and hope will return to the site... yet to those that do blog and want to also promote their music, my observation is that an artists emphasis can be on themselevs without sounding arrogant by talking about your craft such as Bob recently opened for dialogue...
That all being said I think there are great comments from everyone here, to each their unique point of view.. and that is ultimatly the heart of our indie spirit we should enjoy ... many more thoughts on this but I'm out of time for the moment.
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Magnetfisch
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10/25/2008 6:37:46 AM
"Boards of Canada" just rock 8-)
so go to:
http://www.myspace.com/abeautifulplace
and give "left side drive" a listen
as for the stats: 1587705 views, 121986 friends...
well, well 8-)
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Jeff Allen Myers
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10/25/2008 8:23:33 AM
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Whether you Like him or not... (I am just assuming the Banana is a he) The Banana is adept at stirring conversation. So, I will give you props for that Yellow one :)
Its a good subject, but no easy answer... I see the point, but there is no schematic to achieve it. In the end the internet is a flawed medium because often the real person, or message does not get through. I tend to agree once you cut through, whatever that may entail, it does come down to the Music doing the talking. A great articulated, vigorous presence that meets the challenge set out by Banana will ultimately fall flat if the music is trash...
Yes Popikok, Money does have alot to do with it...but I submit Paris Hilton launched a Music career...where did it get her> she sucks! :)
and for this "as for the stats: 1587705 views, 121986 friends." ...I have found all stats on the internet are ripe for manipulation. "Bots" are among us friend. Sometimes its the site itself perpetrating a fraud to give the assumption its a "happening place". An example, I was on another site where I paid to be a Member...I was amazed at the people signing up to be on my Mailing list and the astounding number of plays per day. When I let my membership lapse, I now get zero plays...The songs are still there...now I ask you, why is that???? In the end, Music truly does come first, your so called presence is secondary...
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Bob Elliott
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10/25/2008 9:11:52 AM
I don't like to pretend stuff for attention.
If I were younger I might do that, but I can't create up a fictional character for promotion. I write these blogs like I do the music: when something real moves through me...
I can't even judge who finds any of this compelling, my meter is if it compels me. that's where I have the insight.
If I were younger and trying to do a world take over thing, I'd hit the road full time and blog like hell, maybe, whatever, but I'm not doing that stuff.
I just write on blogs what I think and usually what I think of creating. I love to do that.
And in the music I go after what is missing, what impresses me...
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Bob Elliott
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10/25/2008 9:20:41 AM
" Is it because the fashion of the day makes it seem not kosher to exclaim anything? Maybe it's because so few have done any work recently that they are actually excited about?"
Exclaiming what we're excited about? Yes, the fashion seems to be to try to be a bit low key there.
But like I get pretty hyped about all my work. How many ties can you come around making a big deal about your latest before people get tired?
I don't know.
My latest tune "The Captain's Wife" does things to my head because it stretches time. Different instruments interpret the time in the song differently from each other, and coexist. To me it explores ground that is not gone over much by, well I don't know anyone doing the thing we were doing there.
But to some it likely sounds like we need to cut out some of those elements, they don't get along...
But they do...and I don't think explaining it will make it work for anyone it doesn't already work for...
It's just a different theory about the musical space and the poetic...just theories that I have to get out of my system climbing toward different approaches...
So I could talk about what all goes into the creation on and on...
But myself as a compelling character? I don't think of myself as that, I think of the music that way...
I decided long ago I would just be the best unknown I could be...try to make work that rivals the best work and yet do it as nobody from nowhere...
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The Man With No Band
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10/25/2008 9:43:55 AM
Success is in the eye of the beholder ... I woke up this morning ... I am a success ... I am an artist ... I enjoy what I do ... I'm glad that I have found a place where I enjoy the music I get to hear ... I'm glad to have found a place full of great people with artistic minds ... I'm happy to learn a little more everyday and actually think my art is even improving ... I don't worry about making a living ... to busy living enjoying life for all that nonsense ... I am totally awed by the people and music here ... I am totally awed by the unexpected acceptance of my music ... I am totally awed by the constant activity on my page ... I am blessed ... and I would much rather spend my time learning, recording, listening, reading and finding out about the other Artist here and letting them know how much I appreciate them, for EVERYTHING they do, than trying to draw attention to myself ... I do try to participate and like to blog and interact ... I am happy ... How much more successful could one ever be ?
As far as nobody here talking about music past the early '90's, that is pure balderdash ... (I always wanted to use that word in a sentence) ... I've been around awhile ... I like music period ... I could care less what era it was created ... I don't talk much about mainstream of any era anymore though ... I talk about current Indie Artist ... that is what I like to hear most of all ... because it's amazing ....
For me the artistic things I heard in the '60's and '70's has reappeared ... and in great abundance ... even the '80's and '90's music is represented in a much more interesting way by the Artist who do such things here ... and I get to find it all by little lonesome, without somebody trying to force feed it to me or shove it down my throat ...
If it weren't for places like this, you would all be bummed at the choices you would get to hear ... so if you want big time promo, turn on your radio or your T.V.
If you want to hear good music ... come here...
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Richard Scotti
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10/25/2008 9:51:25 AM
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Banana, Thank you for stimulating a very interesting thread. Perhaps your style is a little provocative but sometimes provacation has very powerful results. Unlike many threads started here (including some of my own) this thread may actually help some of us advance our goals and is very relevant to the reason most of us are here. I've already begun thinking of ways to step up my game. But I still believe that making the best possible music you are capable of and making it sound as sonically pleasing as possible is very important and actually consitutes a promotional tool.
Quality is a form of advertising. Somebody can post a song a week on their site but it doesn't necessarily mean those are songs that were crafted with great care. I would love to put out more new product than I presently do but I'm a perfectionist and I think my songs reflect that. I control every aspect of every detail of every note and sound that you hear on my songs. It's very hard work and very time consuming but it's my way of respecting the potential listeners of the song.
Of course I do this within the parameters of what I can afford. I'd love to be able to invest even more money into the production but my main skill is doing a lot with a little. It's not how much you spend but how you spend what you have. And I spend very wisely. My methods are designed to get quality without breaking the bank. I know how to stetch a dollar! I work hard to get a big budget sound out of a small budget.
I make music for other people to enjoy, and I work my ass off to make sure that I give them the best I have to offer. When I hear a song where the guitar is out of tune or a singer is singing flat or the tempo is all wrong, it's like saying you don't care about your audience. It's an insult to the listener. My respect for my listeners is my promotional tool. But I agree that I have to do more to create a more compelling promotional narrative, a theme and a thread that connects all my songs and provides a reason why people should take the time to listen. A body of work has to have a "big picture". It can't just be a collection of odds and ends. The songs have to have a collective message, a connective tissue that that holds the main themes together. I'm still working on that part! Thanks for making us think, Banana.
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The Man With No Band
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10/25/2008 10:31:17 AM
I'm enjoying reading this thread ..... but I'm not sure I agree with a lot of it .... take for instance Richards last line ... "Thanks for making us think, Banana." ...
I think people already think way to much ... :)
Although I respect people that want to make their music "better" .. what ever that is ....
I don't respect people who do things just to please the masses ... but that is their prerogative ... if you are trying to make your music sound better to yourself and your own standards then great ... if you are trying to emulate someone else's idea of better, then you are destroying your art IMO ...
the greatest masterpieces are created, often ignored, often ridiculed ... and then accepted and even praised ...
Create for the sake of creation ... Create for fun ... Create for and from your soul and your heart ... If your creation is true, it will shine through ...
Why would anyone buy a copy ? ... Why would an Artist want to create something like someone else has already created ? ... If your purpose is money then maybe you can get by with this attitude ... My purpose is Art ... Some won't like it, I don't even like everything I do .. but it came from the effort of Art ... not from industry standards or any one else's idea of what Art is supposed to be ...
Don't judge your work against any other piece of art ... that's not what art is about...
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Richard Scotti
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10/25/2008 12:48:08 PM
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Repecting your audience is not the same as "pleasing the masses". First and foremost, I make the kind of music that I want to hear or would want to buy. And I strive for originality and creativity.
I'm trying to make art that I enjoy and can be proud of. I strive for excellence in everything I do because that's who I am and I'm the first person I'm trying to please.. I am not trying to "emulate someone else's idea of "better". I have high standards for myself because I'm my own worst critic. I don't believe that all things are relative in life. I don't believe a crappy recording has some kind of holy authenticity simply because the creator of the recording says it does. That's a rationalization (imo)
As far a fun is concerned, I have a blast making music. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Banana was not talking about "judging art" or whatever. He was taliking about how we can get other people to listen to the fruits of our labors. He wasn't talking about some obtuse philosophical concept of relativism and what constitutes art. Good is good and bad is bad.... nothin' relative about it (imo) Thinking too much? Some folks don't think enough.
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 1:04:26 PM
Right on Richard. Right on. :)
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The Man With No Band
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10/25/2008 1:14:15 PM
Richard ... my comments weren't directed at you (except the last line you wrote.. and I stand by my statement) ...
What you do or why you do it is great ... I was just simply stating my view about art ...
I too try to achieve excellence .... the best I can be ... with what I have to work with ... and it is as excellent as can be produced at each particular moment in time ... with what knowledge I have at that time and with what equipment I have at that time ....
So it's perfect to me at that time .... I don't have a pre-set condition on how things should sound is all I'm getting at ... and it works for me ... what works for you is fine ...
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Richard Scotti
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10/25/2008 1:23:20 PM
No problem, Sam. I wasn't talking about you and I take no offense at you saying that people think too much. I stand by my opinion that people don't think enough.
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 2:08:37 PM
I think you're both right.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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10/25/2008 2:14:55 PM
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Hey Jesse,
The one thing I regret is not taking chances and "Living" music when I was younger. If I had it to do over, I would just play, write, sing..travel, meet new people, play in a few bands, buy a VW bus, and travel! There is plenty of time to worry about mundane responsibilities later. You are at a great age, but the years are spent before you know it. One day you are in your twenties, the next you are in your forties, married, A Dad, and have a Mortgage. :)
You have a good attitude, but don't wait...now is the time to put your all into your music, don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Do it Man!!! Good Luck to you Bro...
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 2:27:32 PM
Wow, thanks Jeff. I really appreciate that. I'm trying to do just that... I left a full time job with benefits and my own place and all that jazz to come home for a while, work part time to pay my bills and free up a lot of time to work on music. I sold nearly everything I owned and moved away to do it, and lately, it seems to have been the right choice.
I know what you mean, even though I'm still young, I've realized that the older you get the faster time goes. Making music for a living is all I've ever wanted to do, and I'm going to try my best to make sure that happens.
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The CODE
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10/25/2008 3:12:21 PM
Think I know what you are on about Jesse - my son is 22
and plays with the 'old fellers' in The CODE alongside
our drummer Jim's son on Bass who is 24!
I want them to forge ahead and create a new band (while
learning a few tricks from the 'old fellers!)...
So...good luck with your ambitions!
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Dick Aven
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10/25/2008 3:20:35 PM
I find most self promotion boring and suspect (except in pro wrestling).
It is like someone else's kid wanting me to me to congratulate them on how much they ate; I might muster-up a polite "wow...".
I've been a pro musician and artist for quite a few years and I make my living playing writing and singing. As far as that goes I am a success. Honestly, I'd have to say
more notoriety would be great. But not at the expense of catering to anyone's taste but my own.
I have noticed over the years that the best artists are pretty low-key and humble.
The art of subtly is likely wasted on the uncultivated mind.
A squeaky wheel is not music to my ears ( although, with the right backing track and promotion it might be..... a hit?).
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10/25/2008 3:29:08 PM
I love you Dick ! I love you long time ...
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the perfect banana
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10/25/2008 3:37:06 PM
Self-promotion isn't pleasant for most people but if you don't make a serious effort, you're remain obscure. If that's what you want, that's okay with me.
I disagree Dick with your comment about the best artists being low key. Maybe you mean the most competent musicians? Many of the very best artists can't help but be dynamic in their presentation, I believe.
Gaslight District, you eminate some charisma. In a perfect world you might get a reasonable following or at least some serious traffic to your page but you'd have to actually want/need success to push you to make your whole presence bigger.
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KrevisRatz
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10/25/2008 3:37:59 PM
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I'm much too mousey
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Kevin White
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10/25/2008 3:52:17 PM
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I'm so low key, I'm baritone.
But enough about me ... I am low key after all ...
This thread about self promotion was started by a banana saying something about a crack or something, and it got a little heavy ... so I'd like to leave this thread with this light, yet relevant display of a genius self promoter at work incorporating all the elements of the thread into one video:
How to Peel a Banana
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Jo Ellen
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10/25/2008 3:59:33 PM
Hey, who you calling boring and uncreative?! THBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB! :P
This place screams of creativity. And there is such a presence as musical intellect, which I have definitely attempted to absorb among all of these brilliant musicians and arrangers. anyway... that's my opinion. :-)
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Dick Aven
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10/25/2008 4:01:28 PM
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How long you got, Anjuli? ;)
Mr.(?) B,
If the art you are putting out there is suited to self-hype then OK.
I LOVE Salvidor Dali's "Autobiography of a Genius" .
The real trick is to have people agree with the boaster that he or she is in fact THE SHIT (as opposed to just rolling their eyes). And by that time it is arguably better to let the fans do it.
It makes me ask the question; Would you rather be Ashley Simpson or Bach. There is no wrong or right answer. (But maybe if Bach had gotten a nosejob....)
....Not that I have anything against nosejobs. I could use one myself for a deviated septum.
(and it might make me less homely)
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Jo Ellen
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10/25/2008 4:07:01 PM
I'd take quality over quantity any day. If they co-occur well yay.
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 4:28:27 PM
You know banana, just because it's your opinion doesn't make you right. You seem to talk down to everyone here, it's very arrogant.
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the perfect banana
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10/25/2008 4:57:50 PM
Some people don't take it that way, Jesse. I think you're seeing some sort of reflection of yourself in me. :D
Dick, I don't equate an interesting image with self-hype. If one is coming off as bragging or self-hype, it's probably going to flop, unless it's of a really complex, entertaining sort. Bands by definition can have crazy names and visual images, it gets trickier with a solo artist but I still believe if you're one in a long line of John Smiths with formidable music it will be difficult to distinguish yourself.
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 5:04:40 PM
"I think you're seeing some sort of reflection of yourself in me."
Only because sometimes I poop yellow turds banana.
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the perfect banana
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10/25/2008 5:09:09 PM
Figures. Babies poop yellow and you're a big baby. :D
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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10/25/2008 5:22:11 PM
this is a riveting thread for a fairly ordinary (bunch) of mellow yellows-----
Richard astounds me! as do Dick and Anjuli----sam says the opposite ---and yet I am still nodding-- and Jesse speaks the truth!
Banana---I won't revisit my earlier comment, but------if what ewe were inferring was that THE PIPELINE was / is boring lately there is truth in that statement compared to the days when JACK PADDLE or DR TERRIBOL RANTED AND RAVED IN A MOST SPECTACULAR FASHION!!!!!!
but this is now, and what we should ALL be involved in is growing this site back to the 100,000+ hits that we used to see regularly---
How?
If we can't get more listeners to come here--- then we must take our stations out to the world by putting them on our (and our friends) sites!
Of course I would say that--- as my stations are currently at #2 ,#4 and #6 and this is at least partly because I have been putting up links to them --- as have many friends!
Maybe ewe could each put a station (or two) on 2nd life, Myspace, your domain page etc------maybe the embedded players should have a link direct to our front page here????
I've never, never, never, ever---seen a straight banana!
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Jesse Adams
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10/25/2008 6:35:01 PM
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Even so banana I'm brave enough to put my real self out there unshielded which is more than I can say for you.
Oh wait, I forgot the :D
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Richard Scotti
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10/25/2008 7:11:11 PM
I'm going to take out an ad in the Village Voice (NYC artsy newspaper with a big readership) advertising IAC.
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PopiKoK
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10/25/2008 8:05:31 PM
Banana you are extremely funny. And I can only imagine how entertaining this must all be for you. impressive. And really the reactions.
Ok I dont understand why everyone has gotten so defensive about the approach you take into your music. Because thats what defines the actual style and sound of our songs. Right? And I am absolutely sure that there is no method or wrong way to write a song. They come from everywhere at anytime. Even a place inside you that you can't even begin to spot, feel, imagine, locate or prove its existence. But you know of this place because when an entire song melody, lyrics and structure comes out of you in a moment of random as a train of thought you have no control over. And no F&cking idea how an idea, story, emotions and translation to fit a melody you have never heard shot out like vomit and completely managed to avoid your conscious. But you are sure of only one thing. It was inside you somewhere. So Why So Much Aggression? Save your energy and put it into your new lover by playing a game of "Last One Conscious Wins". Best played the first time with a new lover during sex. It creates a good energy for a relationship.
I am sorry I cannot manage to write anything less than Novel. I can't. It really bothered me at some point because I really get bored having to hear myself and type what floats around my head all the time. But I can't. So Im sorry
But I will cut a huge chunk out. I wanted to go into specific people like BOB & RICHARD and others with contrasting approach to the creation of their songs.
But I am sure each person would be a chapter.
And in the end I wanted it to represent just this.......
It is not about whose art is more true and proper based on political views, intentions to have money involved or not, Fame, God or Fashions of the time. Your all doing the right way and its all real and true to you ... when/once you drop all the fears, insecurities towards others opinions at least for that moment and get rid of your conscious thought running the show. The hardest part to the creation of your art is to drop everything, open up and let go. It will come as its meant to from you. Then you can hide it in fear, try to find the wheel house and steer, structure, contain explain, complain........
But its yours so true... Your all right don't fight.. Cause brilliance is coming for you
Satro & PopiKoK
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Kevin White
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10/25/2008 8:35:07 PM
lol ... now THAT was ... well, not succinct.
It was still good.
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Batina
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10/25/2008 9:22:00 PM
Oh PoP , where do i throw my panties. . lol. . . gotta love your attitude and you make pretty cool music too - lots of you guys do around here, and as a listener, i'm rather proud that i've got access to your music and i think it's exactly the quality of what you have to say in the formats you have to say it that scares mainstream from allowing the societies to progress under their influence.
so there!!!
hee hee
peace
Batina
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Richard Scotti
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10/26/2008 1:28:15 AM
Hey, Pop, I'm looking forward to that chapter!
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Susan Raven
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10/26/2008 1:36:31 AM
"Would you rather be Ashley Simpson or Bach"
The answer is oh so obvious, isn't it? I'd rather be me!
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Dick Aven
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10/26/2008 3:33:36 AM
Great answer! Like I said; there is no wrong or right answer.
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Hugh Hamilton
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10/26/2008 7:56:53 AM
I'm a Legend. In my own mind.
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Art Factory
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10/26/2008 8:01:48 AM
then you "are a believer".. in yourself - that is good and essential! :-D
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Tony Vani and Debbie Hoskin
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10/26/2008 2:18:52 PM
So what's wrong with being boring? I happen to love being a boring person. I don't have to take this abuse!
I have my moments when I am just as exciting as the next firecracker. You just keep missing it I guess. deb
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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10/26/2008 2:20:48 PM
Satro
EWE are head of the flock!!
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Tony Vani and Debbie Hoskin
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10/26/2008 3:07:55 PM
OK..........how do I put my stations on other sites? I can do that if someone tells me how. Love always, Boring, drab and unexciting, deb
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Dick Aven
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10/26/2008 5:52:05 PM
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There is a "put this station on any website" link directly under the PLAY button on your station, deb. It will give you the html to paste at any site. Or you can go to your artist page and click on EXPORT YOUR STATION link..... :)
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11:11
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10/26/2008 7:50:07 PM
everything has already been done over and over again in the music world.. gimmicks become too gimmicky.. All one can do is make good music, and have fun doing it in the process.. a little money would be nice.. but setting oneself apart from the herd, especially on the internet is difficult...
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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10/26/2008 8:14:51 PM
Debs
ewe excite moi !! xxoo
thanks Dick 4 that!!
11:11------but possible-----!!
A metaphor:
I see our "band"-- as a boat moving through a sea --------behind it the wake stretches in a giant V---this is the musical trail we leave on the net!
as we move forward in time that "V" becomes wider and gradually more and more folk are exposed to the music.
after two years approx---we calculate that between our 4 main sites we had had over 130,000 hits and over 3,000 downloads----this seems to be increasing as time passes----if iacmusic.com had not been attacked a while back, these figures would be even better.----
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Rule 11
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10/26/2008 11:47:42 PM
Personally, in these waning days of sensationalism and indulgence that has put the decadence of Rome to shame and our mortgage bubble sinks slowly in the west, when my thoughts turn to marketing, I wonder, “What will set ME apart?” “What will get ME up into the high country?” “What will distinguish ME as a consequential artist worthy of an abundance of trans-national attention and cash?” I have come to the inevitable conclusion that
AUTO-DECAPITATION™
is the only remaining attention-grabber to which the public has not become numb and indifferent. Yes friends, lobbing your own head off is the future of self-promotion. Better hurry though, before everyone gets on board and it loses its shock value. Sadly, you can only do it once, so make sure you have lots of coverage ahead of time…and of course, someone will have to post the video on Youtube for you…because you’ll have no head.
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Conversation Suicide
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10/27/2008 12:04:40 AM
Our collective has so many members that come and go that EVENTUALLY one of them will commit suicide on stage
Then the name CONVERSATION SUICIDE will be a household name
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Susan Raven
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10/27/2008 1:58:37 AM
Be careful what you wish for!
:)
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Conversation Suicide
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10/27/2008 2:54:26 AM
naw... Ms. Raven, you know I'm just bein' a goof
LOVE your voice by the way!
Isn't this a wild thread? I got all the way to Anjuli's first entry, and ran out of steam to read the whole thing.... great topic by Perfect Banana as always.
He's got a rapier wit, like fly --- and he LOVES to make folks take a look at themselves
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Susan Raven
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10/27/2008 3:02:18 AM
Like I say in the middle-eight of Making Mischief:
"Help you, I can not, teach you, I think not,
I'll just hold the mirror to your face and you look you in the eye,
Then tell me, are you satisfied?"
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Conversation Suicide
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10/27/2008 3:49:18 AM
Don't be modest, that HOOK in Makin' mischief is awesome (chorus I mean) -- I had to add it to PHLEGM PHAVORITES.
Good use of promotion in a non-promotional blog.... Ya got me to give it a listen!
I dig the message of your tune too.
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10/27/2008 5:35:10 PM
I would correct your statement if I may to
Indies don't crack any ceilings because most of them are incapable of generating any excitement in their songs.
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Bob Elliott
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10/27/2008 6:17:28 PM
I'm with ya there, Ray.
My theory is it will spark if it can. Maybe we just aren't quite on it.
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the perfect banana
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10/27/2008 8:27:53 PM
That's nice and idealistic but there's lots of great indie music available and it's not emerging from behind the curtain.
Back to my theory.
Great music + compelling persona = difference maker :D
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Bob Elliott
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10/27/2008 9:19:28 PM
Idealistic is all I'm good at.
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never never band
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10/27/2008 10:21:14 PM
---- Updated 10/27/2008 10:23:33 PM
If you Go out and gig, you'll find out if you suck or not..The internet will never give you a sense of that.
if you don't happen to suck and can get booked regularly, it's fun to try to create a scene.
Try to get something going on that is representative of the way you want to portray your art. Whether it's promoting shows with other bands you like or creating a night with a theme or whatever.
this stuff is fun!
Hiring a booking agent to get some promo if your touring is worth the money, just getting a few mentions on collage radio and some posters up before you get to town is huge.... Getting some contacts from your gigs, fans that will promote your next show in that town is huge. This is E-Mail lists of real people in 3D land that you follow up on.
If you can get this rolling and show that you have talent, appeal and some decent business sense you'll get approached.
Press Packs are worth the investment.
we put our first 300 CDs in press packs with short, simple Bios and a black and white publishable 8x10 and sent them to any major venue we were interested in.
Sent them to collage radio and public radio. (look up the station managers name and address all press packs to them, if you just send them to the station your wasting money)
this is only like a $500 investment,..
It's possible to create say, a Tri State buzz in your area if you have the energy and can tour..
But eventually it comes down to brass tacks, if you have "it" you'll get approached with some sort of deal or you'll manage to dig one up, it'll probably suck, you'll need representation ...when it finally comes time to either jump or walk you may not have the nerve or the energy.
You may walk, and go back home and decide to be a music teacher or a chef or something......Or just be satisfied with local gigs and and a comfortable low key living....
;)
I LOVE the internet music scene, but to me it's about chatting with other freaks !
I like the fact that we all get on these sites and kind of geek out.
but this is not the professional music scene, It's great place to hear a lot of neat stuff, I get a lot of inspiration and I have a soft spot for recluse singer songwriters and poets.
It's a beautiful thing, but it's not a bridge to fame and fortune. You go outside to do that, and you gotta work your ass off.
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Frater P.
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PopiKoK
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10/27/2008 10:49:50 PM
Never Never Band so clever understand? The above statement is so true. It depends what you want to happen with your music. And you need to know. To write it down and see it. To picture it in your mind and feel it. Then put it into motion and allow it to have the opportunity for a life. Relax, enjoy and watch to see what comes back. Remember, that no matter the results, good, bad or in-between. IT IS NOTHING LESS THAN COMPLETELY BRILLIANT and just HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO EVER HAVE A MOMENT SUCH AS THIS
Satro & PopiKoK
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