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the perfect banana
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2/10/2009 10:18:56 PM
Truth is the essence. Truth is the culprit.
I've witnessed the same pattern prevailing for years on internet forums and blogs. There is a public decorum that works quite well to create a smooth sterile happy environment. Either somebody shows up who doesn't care what people think or some anonymous name appears and starts mumbling forbidden truths and a number of things take place.
The searchers, the readers who hungrily eat up whatever brain food and angst become available are usually much more captivated by the truth than by the calm decorum state. I suppose it's unfortunate but so often the most interesting individuals in online communities are the contrived phony names with nothing to lose. Those who are deeply against that premise say these sorts have no accountability and this is wrong, but on the other hand, any protrusion of truth has value.
Most people who are intolerant of anonymous names are a bit fixated on sizing up the person speaking as a major part of what is being said. I always thought people like this are social climbers because they are just so aware when they are dealing with an authority figure or someone who they've decided they'd like to be in good with. These people don't want to hear truth as much as they think they already know and are more concerned with improving their station in relation to others in the loop. I feel they relate to humans as objects, with worth determined by what that person can do for you.
It's not a hard concept to understand that people have their public face and their inner thoughts, some of which of course never come out into the light. This to me was the greatest beauty of the internet because many people were speaking out their innermost thoughts, it's almost the giant advantage of being faceless and the truth can be helpful and completely educational if you don't resent the truth. Many others on the internet put their real name and pictures on facebook and believe that internet relationships should be identical to offline. I believe this is shortsighted because people's innermost thoughts should have a place to breathe free
If you want to believe that people's innermost thoughts don't have a place except in the shell of one's brain or perhaps only to be told to one essential confidante, this is your prerogative. I prefer deeper aspirations. The most interesting people I've ever met online are very deep and soulful presences, and if they had kept offline face to face decorum with me, I would've never known their depth. For me, a musician has no more important issue than that they are somehow in a place where they can maintain their flow. I excuse all kinds of devices and idiosyncracies even if annoying if it goes towards keeping that flow. Writers are of the same mold. The name game where you create a new name is a great device for expression and I'm often shocked at the naivety of those who dismiss all names but the real name as on your driver's license. I feel like a lot of people are unable to face the world of innermost thoughts, it's too much, they are only comfortable with the decorum state. In some ways it reminds me of first getting high. It takes awhile to know that the paranoid thoughts you might be having are a product of the drug. Facing the world of truth is similar. You either accept a new perspective that includes morsels of innermost thoughts coming around the bend or you recoil in disgust, lashing out at the world of new personal truths slipping out under the veil of the internet. I am saddened when the online world loses those who cannot adapt, but this world is not changing to the tactile realm, it has its own properties. You must swim or don't go in the water. The sea will always be there, and there are truths to be found. Love them, learn to love them, or run away from them, we have so many options.
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never never band
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2/10/2009 10:33:42 PM
I find tremendous comfort in really having nothing to lose...
I can and do say whatever I want, sometimes I'm nice just because, sometimes I'm cranky, sometimes I just gotta say whats really up..
:-)
I do like to elevate things beyond decorum, or call people on their shit or have people do the same to to me...It's whats worthwhile about BBs.
as for Anons, I get it, sometimes I think it adds a great deal of levity to posts...sometimes it seems kinda chickenshit. But it's a great and essential part of this crazy carnival.
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The Man With No Band
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2/10/2009 10:48:49 PM
Banana ... what's going on inside that peel of yours ?
that's the best thing I ever read from a banana ... I don't totally agree but nonetheless it took a pretty good thought process to squeeze that all out of a piece of yellow fruit ...
One thing I don't agree with is your assumption that one has to be anonymous, or have an on-line personality that is different than their "real" personality ...
I've had the great opportunity to meet several people in real life that I first got to know via the net ... and not surprising ... at least to me ... in real life, they are pretty much exactly who they are on the web ... maybe their voice isn't quite what I imagined, or they may be taller, but mostly they are the same people ... and I'll guarantee you I'm the same person ... I've never been able to hide anything from anyone and I don't care to either ... Some won't like who I am ... mostly I have very few enemies though ... but I'm not in a popularity contest ... I'm just enjoying life ... and hope everybody else is too ...
I do know that there are those out there that are not who they say they are ... some are actually able to open up more on line and be less guarded about themselves ... and still others DO use the anon thing to just be NASTY ... not always saying the truth ... but rather just get a kick out of being an ass and wouldn't dare do so under their real name ...
But over-all being an anon is not much different than going by one's own name in my opinion ... you can generally tell an ass whether he is wearing a name tag or not ...
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Conversation Suicide
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2/10/2009 11:15:54 PM
I'm goin' for the BEST of BOTH worlds, My nickname/stagename/artistname is pHLeGm, and I've got fans, friends, family, random people, and every place I've worked at in the last 10 years calling me by pHLeGm.
So it's NOT really a fake name.
It's who I REALLY am.
Think: Detroit Red to Malcolm X and realize it's a lot more viscuous and thick & green.... and you've got it.
-pHLeGm (who I actually am in REAL life)
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Steve Ison
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2/11/2009 1:04:14 AM
Nice one Banana...Anything that gets closer to the core of a situation,the things under the surface or goes a little deeper into stuff is cool with me..
Infact i'd go as far as to say if this forum didn't sometimes offer me insightful things to think on i wouldn't even be here f'sure..
I think the intelligent anons are a great asset to the pipeline and contribute so much interesting stuff-it amazes me that some people hate them so..
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Steve Ison
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2/11/2009 1:06:08 AM
"But over-all being an anon is not much different than going by one's own name in my opinion ... you can generally tell an ass whether he is wearing a name tag or not"
Haha..So true Sam! :)
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Bob Elliott
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2/11/2009 7:51:28 AM
To me it seems you mostly discuss the idea of speaking your mind on the forum. Let's say we'll grant you that already. I mean, I sure do.
Now it's time to use that freedom for other topics than "It's Best to Speak Your Mind on the Forum."
Go ahead and speak it. What have you got to say?
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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2/11/2009 1:40:07 PM
phew---!!!
I was concerned ewe had morphed in to Bluto--
nice words 'nana----
Van de Veldon (the painter) said
"truth is light----light is love----love is truth"
What is YOUR story?
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unintentional messiah returning
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2/11/2009 5:06:53 PM
Profound thoughts Perfect Bananaman, verging on the spiritual. Personally I think anons have become a little "yesterday" i.e. it's all been done before.
I do feel a bit hungry btw. Do you mind if I take a little nibble?
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the perfect banana
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2/11/2009 7:38:55 PM
I always find it wacked when somebody states that it's all been done before in the context of writing or music. It's not the name, it's what you say, and there are endless possibilities about what you or I might say or play next.
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Bob Elliott
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2/11/2009 8:17:27 PM
Amen to that.
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Steve April
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2/11/2009 8:25:02 PM
Well, you make some good points banana.
However, I find a bit dubious. not to mention amusing, that you feel you are in possession of "the truth."
Tastes vary I know.
Put another way, and to an extreme, touching on Silverdood's post, if a post dwells on the negatives, and seems to rigorously exclude the positives, and in addition, it's from an Anon, hmmm...
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Bob Elliott
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2/11/2009 8:57:22 PM
But Steve, he (she?) means speaking the truth about one's own thoughts feeling and opinions.
Everyone's in possession of that.
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Jesse Adams
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2/12/2009 6:26:42 PM
Truth is my friend.
Your friends tell you thing about yourself that you don't always want to hear.
Know what I mean?
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