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Holo Lukaloa
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8/19/2008 4:39:49 PM
I hate to say this but I'm starting to hope Obama does a surprise and picks Hillary for VP.
I feel if he does it will be a landslide and it's more important to win this election than anything. I just don't have faith that if he picks Biden or whoever, that the Republican hate machine won't somehow sleaze their way to another narrow victory.
I don't really believe in the American populace to do the right thing. There are too many people who wouldn't vote for a black man in their lifetime, and there are too many imbeciles who fall for every false story on the internet about Obama. Just the fact that McCain's campaign has been able to narrow the margin by the worst set of lying lowest common denominator ads says it all. There are a lot of really stupid people in America. I'm not saying everyone who votes for McCain is stupid. Obviously rich people have a good reason to vote for McCain. Maybe your family has a lot of ties to the military and view him (near senile or not) as an amazing hero (even though his plane got shot down). Maybe you like him because you work for an oil company. These would all be rationales for voting for him. Maybe you're a woman and you find old nearly senile men to be sexy. Maybe you're a gay man and you find old nearly senile men to be sexy. :>) Maybe it turns you on when he talks about the surge like that's the only actual event that took place in all these years of war. Maybe you're an anti-abortion wacko. See, I realize there are some significant possible reasons to vote for that war mongering lying scatterbrain.
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Steve Hannigay
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8/19/2008 5:15:45 PM
It should bring everyone together and present a formidable, maybe insurmountable obstacle to McCain winning unless he makes a similarly spectacular pick - maybe a non-Republican.
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Slim Jim
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8/19/2008 8:56:20 PM
Obama is telling McCain now he doesn't know what he's up against but of course he won't tell him that face to face in the debates he challenged McCain to just a few months back.
I think that's what most people see in Obama, someone who talks big but can't back that talk up. If he was worth his salt he would make good on the debate challenge McCain accepted and demonstrate just exactly why the American people should elect him but he's obviously afraid to debate McCain.
All blow and no show. Hilary would not be afraid to debate McCain but Obama is. Kind of says it all Holo.
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8/20/2008 11:44:38 AM
"sleaze their way to another narrow victory
too many imbeciles
Maybe you're a woman and you find old nearly senile men to be sexy
Maybe you're a gay man and you find old nearly senile men to be sexy
Maybe you're an anti-abortion wacko
that war mongering lying scatterbrain"
"Don't you ever make any friendly posts"
oops.
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Slim Jim
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8/20/2008 12:23:57 PM
I think Obama picking Hilary could make a lot of sense when you figure Hilary could fight his battles for him while he hides behind her skirt.
For example.., Hilary would not only hold her own in unmonitored debates like the kind Obama challenged McCain too, she could whip him good as well. So with Hilary as the VP nominee Obama could continue picking battles with McCain and then send Hilary to fight them for him. I guess that's what he means when he recently told McCain he doesn't know what he's fooling with..
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qelizabeth
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8/20/2008 12:40:53 PM
Obama is strong. He beat her in the primaries, unless you forgot about that, Mr. Jim.
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Slim Jim
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8/20/2008 1:16:59 PM
But that doesn't explain why Obama is afraid to show up for the unmoderated debates he so boldly challenged John McCain to just a few short months back. He could use those debates to put McCain away in this contest like Reagan did to Carter back in the day but he won't make good on his word so his support continues to slip, Zogby shows McCain up by 5 points with Obama losing support in every sector. Obama could quickly reverse that trend by giving the elderly McCain a good shellacking in those debates he challenged him too but what does he do when McCain accepts his challenge? He cuts and runs..
I think he can still win, it's not over till it's over but he'll need someone as strong as Hilary to win it for him if that is to happen IMO, though I've been wrong before.
Hilary pulled over 60% of the votes during the last 4 months of the campaign and won all the states needed if a Democrat in to win the election. Can she carry Obama as VP. That's very possible but it's to bad Obama won't get into a real arena with John McCain as he was so eager to fo a few months back.
Hilary sure wouldn't back down to debating John McCain, that woman would take on anyone and win big too but the other guy???
As the great Johan Genzale once said..
"It's not what you say, it's what you don't say.."
&
"It's not what you do, it's what you don't do"
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qelizabeth
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8/20/2008 1:33:29 PM
Why are you convinced that he's afraid to debate? He had over 20 with Hillary, and managed to hold his weight.
And she's a masterful debater. She's a machine on the debate floor. I supported Obama but don't deny that she's an amazing talker and beat him in *some* of the debates.
He's having debates with McC three times in the near future. Patience.
There's so much more to a political process than debates. Personally I find the debates to be pretty fluffy.
Here's a debate right here.... it's all out there and no fancy talkiin' can get around these facts:
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
Cheers.
God Bless America.
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Holo Lukaloa
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8/20/2008 2:40:05 PM
Slim Jim,
We've been over this 2 weeks ago. You make this false point but they're already set up for 3 debates, as qelizabeth said. What don't you understand about that?
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Slim Jim
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8/20/2008 3:40:09 PM
He was involved in 20 moderated debates in which all the question were made known before the debate. In #21 he fell apart when George Stephanopoulos asked him basic questions about economic theory that every presidential candidate should be able to handle but he was lost. (And the media has the nerve to attack Stephanopoulos for asking question that Obama couldn't handle..) And that was the last debate against Hilary for Obama because it went so bad for him.
That's why debates are so important, it gives the people a chance to see exactly what a candidate does and does not know. It gives the people the chance to see how each candidate will react under pressure and and demonstrate their real character. On matters of appealing to emotion Obama is definitely in a league above McCain but when it come to showing the real knowledge needed to govern this country he's been very unconvincing.
I think unmoderated debates should be mandatory in any election as important as the presidency. And Obama has a history of mistreating people who have dedicated their whole lives to public service, Joe Lieberman to name one of them. This is not a campaign that you can force your opponent off the ballot on a technicality or by threatening to make public details of their private lives, he's gotta win this the same way other candidates have done in the past.
It's his election to lose and he's doing a damn good job of losing it right now. The honeymoon is over with Barack Obama. Either show up for the fight he picked with John McCain or don't plan on moving to Washington after the election.
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qelizabeth
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8/20/2008 8:19:12 PM
Debate #21 was no better than reading IN touch weekly celeb gossip. The questions highlighted all untruths, rumors etc.
One woman asked, 'Do you believe in the American Flag" to Obama. I nearly hurled.
If you don't see how that's the most ridiculous freaking question, there is no way you and I can even debate this any further! ; )
George should have stepped down after that job of moderating.
Seriously.
To Hillary's credit, she did a good job with the Russia question. I think that's what you might be referring to. She couldn't say the new elected leader's name, but I am nearly sure Obama wouldn't have been able to say it either. He had a less interesting answer to that question to say the least. It did not help him.
McCain gets stuff mixed up all the time. Obama's not the only one. I get things mixed up too. Just today, I accused my sister of never coming to visit me, and she reminded me that she was here last spring. It took me a minute to remember!
Let's hope that whoever's elected, they'll have a team of aides whispering in their ears.
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Holo Lukaloa
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8/20/2008 8:46:12 PM
Slim Jim, speaking of knowing the questions, McCain wasn't in a soundproof cone as he was supposed to be in this past weekend's forum and his aides admitted that.
He was also caught stuffing one of his own townhall meetings with staff and supporters.
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Slim Jim
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8/20/2008 11:43:21 PM
Well, he didn't put on a fee rock concert and have his people pass out signs for people in the audience to hold to make it look like a political rally and make it seem all the people came to see Obama when they were really there for the free show.
Tsk, tsk..
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Richard Scotti
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8/21/2008 7:37:58 AM
Obama will never pick Hillary beause there is too much bitterness left over from the primaries and Bill has become somewhat of a liability. He would be a distraction.
Obama will pick Joe Biden because of his foreign policy credentials. Whatever votes he loses by not picking Hlllary, he will gain by winning over moderate republicans and independents who seem to be graviating towards him as they get to know him better.
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Holo Lukaloa
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8/21/2008 8:24:36 AM
Ha, my stalker showed up today on my blog. He accused me of having 4 threads on the front page when there was only 2. (I can't help it if people bring back my blogs from previous days and move them to the top). Ironically, this very blog he posted on was moved off the front page yesterday because Slim Jim posted on my various blogs moving 2 older ones to the top. So Saphire is a liar, let alone being a stalker.
I've decided he will not be posting on my blogs anymore so I'm deleting his post. Thanks IAC for creating such a rocking concept, this is something you can't do on a normal forum. How lucky I am to not have to have this cretin on my blogs anymore. :>)
In regards to you, Slim Jim, I understand why you would have to come up with rationales for Obama's popularity abroad but the truth is if McCain was speaking at a Beatles reunion that senile bore couldn't draw 30,000. :>)
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Slim Jim
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8/21/2008 8:54:02 AM
---- Updated 8/21/2008 8:54:59 AM
I guess that explains why McCain & Obama are about even now on the 18-34 vote with with MCain steadily gaining ground.
(And the also explains why Keith Oberman and that other flake he had in the video you posted are lifting Jackie Mason's criticism of Obama verbatim and using it against McCain while accusing McCain of double-speak at the same time.
That's a clever team Obama has at his side alright.. Run a sleazy campain and I guarantee you MCain is the next president. If he runs a legit campaign he could still win but for now people are seeing through all the smoke & mirrors.
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