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1/27/2021 1:31:34 AM
Golden Kayak results coming in around a week.

1/1/2021 7:40:06 PM
a big thank you

11/8/2020 1:41:24 PM
only a few more days to get in songs eligible for the upcoming Golden Kayaks

10/15/2020 3:47:29 AM
Golden Kayaks are coming up, less than 4 weeks left to upload songs eligible for this year.

10/7/2020 5:45:36 PM
if marketing trolls show up on your threads

9/6/2020 8:58:24 AM
Golden Kayak Best Female Artist 2005 releases new song with Sting!

7/6/2020 8:46:01 AM
Indie Day Fundraiser time is here, everybody please read

5/28/2020 11:26:31 AM
announcement for station managers

4/26/2020 7:15:25 PM
put heavy stuff in political forum please.

2/11/2020 9:42:51 PM
2019 Golden Kayak Winners, check in here.

2/8/2020 6:12:33 AM
Here it is, the 2019 Golden Kayak Podcast (spoiler posts permitted)

1/2/2020 5:58:36 PM
Golden Kayak Nominations are up, ballot coming in a day or 2.

12/8/2019 7:52:43 PM
Only 2 more days to get in Golden Kayak nominations

11/18/2019 9:29:36 AM
We're going to need more nominations

11/6/2019 3:27:12 PM
Golden Kayaks coming up, 5 more days to upload songs eligible for this year.

11/3/2019 11:37:45 AM
Sorry about that folks but we're fine and dandy now

9/22/2019 5:06:14 PM
New Spotlight Interview of Elmer and the Ceramic Trees

9/21/2019 11:00:59 PM
attention everyone

9/6/2019 4:39:32 PM
Tell us about your overall social media involvement

8/31/2019 10:55:04 AM
How to create your own long-playing record (album) (DMD) for your page at IMP

8/30/2019 11:24:23 AM
some great songs arriving at our site these days

8/21/2019 4:28:53 AM
some stuff about IMP you might not know

8/13/2019 8:12:21 PM
an update on my musical stuff

8/11/2019 3:05:51 AM
Ever hear the Tielman Bros?

8/6/2019 7:11:53 PM
When You Put Tree Rings on a Record Player, The Sound Is Unexpectedly Beautiful

8/3/2019 6:55:23 PM
Station Blurb of the Week

7/30/2019 2:25:34 PM
Helping artists whenever you can

7/14/2019 7:41:45 AM
aspirations in songwriting

7/9/2019 9:22:38 AM
David Bowie's death album

7/5/2019 1:16:30 PM
Last call for donations

6/23/2019 3:42:45 AM
Rolling Thunder Revue on Netflix

6/6/2019 6:56:40 PM
RIP Dr. John

5/30/2019 4:45:38 AM
What was your first instrument?

5/26/2019 4:15:38 PM
fear of flying

5/21/2019 7:43:35 PM
I had an idea for a group songwriting project, please read..

5/3/2019 10:05:06 AM
Who are your musical heroes?

4/16/2019 12:16:51 PM
on writing lyrics

4/4/2019 6:49:21 AM
Developing Active People

4/1/2019 12:26:25 AM
wow, a half hour ago I just signed a big money record deal.

3/19/2019 8:03:55 AM
Facebook is anti-artist.

3/17/2019 2:37:33 PM
RIP Dick Dale

2/24/2019 3:19:51 PM
sleeper hooks in songs

1/23/2019 9:16:14 PM
Hear the whole show here from this thread.

1/14/2019 3:07:17 AM
2 more days left to vote in Golden Kayaks

12/19/2018 1:58:43 AM
What aspects of a song do you value most?

12/17/2018 1:52:01 PM
Indie Song of the Year Nominees

12/13/2018 5:45:13 PM
want to thank the community

12/9/2018 10:55:31 AM
only a couple days left to get your Golden Kayak nominations in

12/4/2018 10:32:18 PM
Type your life story in 100 words or less.

12/4/2018 5:59:01 PM
Do you believe in UFOs?

11/23/2018 9:54:39 AM
indie management horror stories

11/17/2018 10:34:27 AM
some easy ways to take on Golden Kayak nominations

11/16/2018 3:30:01 AM
Want to see something utterly amazing?

11/15/2018 2:14:00 PM
RIP Roy Clark

11/5/2018 2:30:03 PM
Deadline for songs to be uploaded to qualify for Golden Kayaks - 11-11-18 at 12 am ET

10/25/2018 5:03:11 PM
sometimes I think..

10/22/2018 5:40:00 AM
Golden Kayaks coming in November

9/28/2018 9:01:01 PM
RIP Marty Balin

9/27/2018 3:21:41 PM
Womankind came to the fore today.

9/25/2018 6:01:36 PM
How to PIMP UP your IMP artist page!

9/24/2018 1:50:01 PM
interesting new Beatles release coming

9/21/2018 7:27:25 AM
Steve Ison and Azwel

9/18/2018 7:00:29 PM
so what's new?

9/10/2018 10:43:27 AM
RIP Rod Underhill

9/1/2018 8:47:34 PM
NFL fans check in here

8/31/2018 3:00:04 AM
I need some promo ideas on this..

8/18/2018 11:46:27 AM
Anybody got anything exciting going on?

8/16/2018 12:08:14 PM
The King and Queen both died on the same day.

8/14/2018 4:20:05 PM
Is melody passé?

8/13/2018 12:02:48 PM
The Queen of Soul is gravely ill.

8/12/2018 10:41:34 AM
John Denver, Jim Croce, Harry Chapin. plane crash, plane crash, car crash. Which was the biggest loss?

8/9/2018 2:34:40 PM
What would you consider over the years as the perfect pop song?

8/2/2018 11:51:38 PM
David Crosby on paid streaming services

7/31/2018 7:02:42 AM
She walks all over you, you know she can

7/30/2018 2:45:34 PM
“You are what you settle for. You are only as much as you settle for.” - Janis Joplin

7/28/2018 12:27:40 PM
How do you start fresh when your past is strewn all around you?

7/15/2018 11:19:16 AM

7/10/2018 4:46:38 AM
I'd like to hear details about everyone's creative process.

7/4/2018 6:29:15 AM
everybody please read

7/1/2018 3:33:44 PM
Neil Sedaka - songwriter

6/16/2018 3:49:04 PM
New support email, please file this so you have it.

6/14/2018 5:07:00 AM
Nobody noticed.

6/7/2018 6:48:05 AM
How much of a factor is an artist's looks in your appreciation of their live performances?

6/5/2018 6:11:06 PM
the need for critical opinions in music

6/5/2018 9:45:03 AM
Some "music lovers' are just too lazy to appreciate indie.

6/3/2018 9:11:17 AM
Frank Sinatra's letter to George Michael

5/26/2018 12:55:58 AM
I found this wild statement in a very obscure place on Neil Young's archive site.

5/13/2018 1:28:01 PM

5/12/2018 7:34:33 PM
the best ever artist website

5/3/2018 11:57:47 AM
Great David Crosby Interview

5/1/2018 6:39:18 AM
the battle

4/24/2018 9:35:41 AM
some notes about the IMP player

4/6/2018 5:13:21 PM
My life basically starts today.

4/1/2018 4:56:11 PM
Lennon, Cobain and Jimi are all alive.

3/24/2018 9:19:25 AM
great new Neil Young interview

3/19/2018 7:51:27 PM
Is that Francesca on the Alfa Romeo commercial?

2/3/2018 7:19:51 AM
taking your songs to a publisher

1/22/2018 4:59:08 PM
The DMD (digital CD) now works for all artists!

1/14/2018 7:22:31 PM
The Golden Kayak Wall of Fame has been updated with the new winners.

1/14/2018 8:02:54 AM
How to listen to tonight's Golden Kayak broadcast at 5 PM ET (New York) time.

1/8/2018 10:12:20 AM
Oprah's speech last night at the Golden Globes was amazing, see it here

1/2/2018 8:27:18 AM
I'm proud of this

12/29/2017 10:05:50 PM
Indie Song of the Year - the Finals

12/18/2017 9:16:05 AM
It warms me

12/16/2017 9:37:03 AM
Nominations Closed for Golden kayaks

12/7/2017 4:37:21 PM
OMG I was so surprised to see this!!

12/2/2017 3:04:01 PM
Note to any artists or any others who are not thrilled with the choice of features here

12/1/2017 11:49:44 AM
A contender for the greatest indie song of all time..

11/27/2017 3:19:28 PM
2 weeks left to get your Golden Kayak nominations in.

11/22/2017 11:24:37 PM
apologies on behalf of IMP

11/15/2017 9:48:17 AM
The Indie Song of the Year Tourney for this year - please read..

11/5/2017 8:53:39 AM
an indie song that will run thru your head all day if you listen

11/5/2017 5:34:49 AM
Deadline for songs to be uploaded to qualify for Golden Kayaks - 11-11-17 at 12 am ET

10/29/2017 11:51:15 PM
new - front page ads

10/26/2017 9:40:22 AM
New Spotlight Interview with a majorly talented guy!

10/21/2017 4:53:31 PM
I'm starting to feel our gravitational pull again.

10/5/2017 3:56:26 PM
some stuff about this site that you may not know

8/19/2017 3:19:11 PM
Shades of the Righteous Bros on IMP?

8/1/2017 1:46:16 AM
IMP story blog contest, all please read..

7/18/2017 12:08:57 PM
so how does an artist get a new listener to click on a music link

7/18/2017 12:08:19 PM
Looking for volunteers regarding a committee that sets out to give IMP a presence at music trade shows

6/30/2017 2:28:07 AM
Everyone please read - How important is IMP to YOU?

6/29/2017 1:07:13 PM
Everyone please read - How important is IMP to YOU?

6/27/2017 11:48:30 PM
our friend Lesley is gone from IMP

6/19/2017 11:22:07 PM
Facebook is anti music artist in case you didn't know

6/9/2017 2:38:59 PM
the IMP in the room is you

6/1/2017 9:37:41 PM

5/19/2017 9:29:03 AM
Station managers, please read, a survey

5/18/2017 11:50:57 AM
RIP Chris Cornell

5/7/2017 4:51:23 AM
new Spotlight Interview with the overwhelming Motorbaby

4/28/2017 7:44:11 AM
artist communities

4/19/2017 5:15:01 AM
Indie artists are raisin' the bar these days, have you heard?

4/16/2017 12:20:17 PM
ok this is pretty funny

4/11/2017 5:32:33 AM
What are the factors involved that cause you to click on a song to listen to it? Everybody please comment.

4/2/2017 2:43:00 AM
New Spotlight Interview with the band Whitherward!

4/1/2017 4:44:14 PM
I love artists.

3/28/2017 9:12:39 PM
the elasticity of a song

3/28/2017 8:11:55 AM
one more note about the political pipeline

3/26/2017 10:52:54 PM
We have a new political forum, link above..

3/21/2017 6:08:43 AM
New Spotlight Interview with TonyGirl

3/19/2017 12:06:26 AM
We made a change in the song page.

3/12/2017 11:55:40 AM
What the world needs now

3/2/2017 2:25:15 AM
the red button on the front page works now

3/1/2017 5:15:54 PM
new video by MonaLisa Twins covers another Beatle song

3/1/2017 4:50:59 PM
What makes for the perfect pipeline topic?

2/21/2017 5:58:20 AM
Despair on Indie Avenue

2/20/2017 2:21:33 PM
update on site issue

2/17/2017 2:27:17 PM
We just had another correspondence from the server co.

1/25/2017 1:05:09 PM
New Spotlight Interview with James Stanley Howen

1/24/2017 11:32:02 AM
Anybody know some good songs with fiddles on IMP?

1/23/2017 1:05:01 PM
new realms in the arena of artist promotion..

1/22/2017 12:21:12 AM
Indie icon Ainjel Emme just posted an amazing new song related to the women's march

1/20/2017 7:14:37 PM
note for all

1/16/2017 2:30:05 PM
All Golden Kayak Winners check in here.

1/16/2017 6:13:29 AM
Miss the show last night? You can stream it now

1/13/2017 5:45:31 AM
Song of the Year is really close, please vote if you haven't.

1/11/2017 7:11:57 AM
Radio show announcing winners is THIS Sunday at 5:00 New York Time

1/11/2017 12:01:54 AM
David Crosby's new song is here now, on his page.

1/10/2017 1:18:42 AM
The Finals for the Indie Song of the Year are here!

1/5/2017 1:55:28 PM
Indie Music vs Indie Artist

1/2/2017 2:47:20 PM
I made a decision

1/1/2017 9:56:57 PM
You folks know there is a short url for IMP, right?

1/1/2017 12:57:40 PM
a funny story for yas

1/1/2017 7:01:00 AM
Semifinals Round for The Song of the Year Tourney

12/24/2016 6:25:48 PM
a new Spotlight Interview is right off the presses, it's Pancake Riot

12/24/2016 1:04:25 PM
Golden Kayak Voting Ballot - Please vote!

12/17/2016 12:22:15 PM
I love it but I hate it.

12/13/2016 11:16:44 PM
Golden Kayak Nominations closed - Song of the Year moves into next round, winners bracket.

12/7/2016 11:30:08 AM
5 days left for Golden Kayak Nominations, get them in please

12/6/2016 12:58:45 PM
new heat in Indie Song of the Year is up - Need more nominations for Golden Kayaks too!

12/3/2016 9:53:16 AM
Golden Kayak Nominations Form

12/2/2016 12:08:39 AM
need your Golden Kayak nominations soon! and don't forget to vote in the front page poll

11/29/2016 11:22:12 AM
How do we grow the indie culture?

11/28/2016 9:00:09 PM
a note about site issues

11/24/2016 10:01:07 PM
Time to start working on your Golden Kayak Nominations

11/23/2016 11:25:10 AM
new heat in Indie Song of Year is Up, Winner of Last Heat announced

11/18/2016 1:22:31 PM
Voting for Kayak song of the Year begins, please read..

11/10/2016 5:02:57 AM
so we're back up again

11/2/2016 1:49:58 PM
8 more days to upload songs that will be eligible for Golden Kayaks!!

10/12/2016 11:49:40 AM
Golden Kayaks coming up soon. To be eligible, a song must be uploaded before Nov 11, 12 AM.

9/25/2016 10:06:57 AM
announcement - we're discontinuing the Triple C Club

8/4/2016 5:07:52 AM
New Spotlight Interview with Neil w Young

7/16/2016 5:01:20 PM
paging Lyin Dan

7/10/2016 10:53:39 AM
hey station managers

7/8/2016 2:34:36 PM
Genre chart adjustment coming in next day

7/8/2016 6:25:36 AM
The Lady Voices of Indie DMD is still for sale

7/6/2016 1:54:25 PM
Artists with emotional energy

7/6/2016 6:20:40 AM
Can you folks help spread this around?

7/4/2016 4:07:45 AM
Happy INDIES Day!

6/21/2016 7:24:08 AM
Do you like rock festivals?

6/18/2016 5:09:50 PM
A note about the compilation charity DMD that Evie helped put together

6/17/2016 3:06:04 AM
New Spotlight Interview with Francesca Tamellini

6/13/2016 9:24:17 PM
Attn: New Feature!

6/12/2016 12:34:25 AM
re: the Triple C Club

6/7/2016 3:10:52 AM
new Spotlight Interview with DeMonicka!

5/31/2016 11:33:58 AM
New Spotlight interview with Denquar

5/30/2016 8:03:09 AM
There aren't as many indie bands out there as there used to be

5/22/2016 8:37:54 AM
Welcome to all the great new artists who are checking in today!

5/18/2016 11:04:55 PM
well today is the 1 year anniversary of indiemusicpeople.com

5/18/2016 3:12:54 PM
pipeline perks

5/15/2016 10:39:06 PM
a note about an adjustment we're making to the Stat Cave

5/12/2016 8:45:21 PM
Today was IMP's best day ever for traffic

5/12/2016 7:44:08 AM
the joy of being me - Gamers take note.

5/9/2016 6:34:39 AM
please remove the letters IAC from your stations and what not.

5/8/2016 10:41:30 AM
New Spotlight Interview with Chloe Collins!

5/3/2016 4:51:07 AM
Important note about the new front page, everybody read..

4/27/2016 6:28:12 PM
Another New Development at IMP! please read

4/26/2016 8:05:52 AM
People who make music, it's the very best part of them..

4/25/2016 11:59:26 AM
Have you started a station lately ?

4/21/2016 3:17:56 AM
response to music depends a lot on mood

4/19/2016 1:14:28 PM
Here's some good news..

4/19/2016 7:50:49 AM
a note to all about IMP and Facebook, please read..

4/6/2016 11:13:26 AM
RIP Merle Haggard

4/3/2016 10:08:58 AM
the volatility of listeners and the Surge Factor

4/2/2016 9:34:39 PM
Pipeline Radio Show hosted by Ken (Two Silo Complex) is this coming Wednesday night at 8 PM EDT

3/27/2016 6:16:01 PM
New Spotlight Interview with Ben Elliot

3/15/2016 4:23:43 PM
I had a thought

3/10/2016 1:22:52 PM
pipeline brainstorming session..

3/9/2016 1:39:17 PM
folks we need more songs - we're doing a group radio show from the pipeliners, please read..

3/8/2016 2:06:35 PM
idle chatter

3/6/2016 7:53:21 PM
an idea about how to bring non-artists listeners to IMP.

3/5/2016 9:28:28 AM
I.M.P. and the challenge of indies selling their music

2/21/2016 12:48:20 PM
Do you know any good indie songwriters who are not on IMP?

2/17/2016 7:31:23 AM
New Spotlight interview with Dave Elwert

2/17/2016 6:46:55 AM
looking for something to blow me away

2/5/2016 11:13:54 PM
stats issue

2/3/2016 10:54:53 PM
Mention IMP wherever you go on the web

1/28/2016 12:34:42 PM
2 new college stations added as affiliates for Kayak Big 25 show

1/28/2016 5:36:03 AM
What's your favorite indie song of all time other than your own?

1/27/2016 6:33:31 PM
planning your next musical move in public - please read..

1/25/2016 11:56:46 AM
We're looking for content for IMPeccable Radio

1/18/2016 12:41:08 PM
The Golden Kayak Wall of Fame has been updated

1/13/2016 3:17:58 AM
You're all invited to a party on Sunday

1/8/2016 12:57:05 PM
ok, Golden Kayak ballots due by MIDNIGHT PST TONIGHT!, Time to vote if you haven't yet.

1/4/2016 12:32:39 AM
IMP is the ticket.

1/3/2016 8:04:41 AM

12/30/2015 2:07:25 PM
another quick note about Kayak voting

12/25/2015 4:16:54 AM
Finals Heat is up in Kayak Song of the Year - please vote

12/15/2015 2:52:52 PM
Golden Kayak Nominations extended - due by 12 AM 12-29

11/22/2015 6:19:21 AM
Got any masterpieces coming?? Now's the time, to be eligible for Golden Kayaks, songs must be on site before Dec 1st.

11/19/2015 2:00:22 PM
site outage

11/16/2015 1:09:05 PM
New Spotlight Interview with Azwel

11/12/2015 3:44:58 PM
State of the Pipeline ?

11/4/2015 12:35:06 PM
New Spotlight Interview with Time Cat

10/30/2015 1:12:52 PM
Operation Homecoming - pipeline regulars, please read..

10/27/2015 6:41:49 PM
New Spotlight Interview with Piranya

10/23/2015 2:06:27 PM
one of our artists has recently started doing live performances

10/22/2015 12:23:15 AM
Remember folks to take advantage of the Review/Commentary section

10/15/2015 12:03:46 PM
The Golden Kayaks are only a month and a half away

10/8/2015 5:08:09 AM
New Spotlight Interview with Alex Siegel

10/7/2015 12:30:13 PM
We just added 2 affiliates to our Kayak Big 25 network, from Canada and Africa

10/4/2015 4:25:46 AM
There's a new facebook page for our 24/7 Radio (IMPeccable Radio), like it if..

9/30/2015 9:36:46 PM
Some will think I'm foolish for typing this

9/26/2015 1:20:51 AM
New Spotlight Interview with Dead Bed Bad

9/22/2015 6:43:04 PM
OK, folks, it's "Start a New Station Week" at IMP, time to start a new station

9/22/2015 1:34:58 PM
What do the Netherlands, Costa Rica, Brazil, and Argentina have in common?

9/21/2015 1:53:55 PM
a special welcome to all the fabulous new artists on the site!

9/17/2015 8:06:39 PM
New Spotlight Interview with Bob Elliott

9/14/2015 12:34:20 PM
Do you remember the first song that in your youth captured your imagination?

9/13/2015 5:40:19 PM
how to post links on our 2 forums (pipeline and the R/C)

9/13/2015 8:52:27 AM
Could you give it a spin and put up a song in our Review/Commentary area?

9/11/2015 12:06:13 PM
looking for anybody here who loves indie gospel music

9/11/2015 12:18:38 AM
logo contest for Kayak Big 25 - any of you good at this sort of thing?

9/10/2015 7:52:41 AM
Feedback area is now Review/Commentary and IS ON FRONT PAGE - bottom left!

9/9/2015 9:37:24 PM
big announcement on Export Player, please read..

9/9/2015 9:02:28 PM
New Spotlight Interview with the one and only Zeeza

9/6/2015 2:37:10 AM
New Spotlight Interview with Soft Cactus

9/3/2015 6:45:34 AM
the latest project I'm working on..

9/3/2015 12:29:36 AM
you know what gets me down?

9/1/2015 3:26:30 AM
New Spotlight Interview - Ice Giants

8/25/2015 4:02:46 AM
crazy ramblings, read at your own risk

8/23/2015 1:44:02 PM
In news related to artists who are members here

8/16/2015 5:19:50 PM
Brand New Spotlight Interview with our own Steve Ison

8/13/2015 1:28:36 PM
more things all new artists should know

8/8/2015 4:40:30 PM
re: a songwriters' museum on this site?

8/1/2015 9:56:11 AM
Song blurbs on stations

7/26/2015 10:14:00 AM
asking for help for all on this matter

7/25/2015 6:33:10 AM
What bonds us all together?

7/23/2015 1:52:35 PM
Operation Banner Mania - everybody please read..

7/20/2015 10:28:25 PM
the you tube thread

7/15/2015 9:45:55 AM
site alumni week - please read..

6/26/2015 7:50:08 AM
Elvis "the King"'s last words were ?

6/20/2015 1:19:48 AM
the IMP late night club

6/16/2015 12:38:49 AM
a noteworthy new station to check out - Alltime Kayak Hits

6/14/2015 12:35:45 PM
discouraging news from the indie world

6/10/2015 1:56:05 AM
major investigative movie on Kurt Cobain coming out tomorrow, the 11th

6/4/2015 1:46:32 PM
I remember when they were just an indie :)

6/3/2015 12:04:32 PM
Things you can do at (for) IMP today

6/1/2015 12:03:56 PM
new Kayak Big 25 up.

5/21/2015 6:24:44 PM
a note about featured stations, please read, all station managers


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4/28/2017 7:44:11 AM

artist communities
I was a member of the first artist community online, for music artists that is. at mp3.com. It was still my greatest experience ever online. Could never be matched, really. I was also part of that ugly community at garageband that it took them many years to realize had developed into such an ugly subculture that they needed to get rid of it altogether and I was happy to see the day they did.

I never thought back then that the later corporate sites like the orange place and others would care to go it without even having an artist community. I still can't believe they feel so strongly about it that they don't even attempt it. Reverb Nation had a forum for awhile but nobody went there.

The internet used to be different. People went on it to meet new people, as a rule. Not just single people, it was a whole new vibrant world, liquid, lots of moving parts. I got to know people on forums far deeper than I get to know people on facebook, the only real game in town these days. Once the option became available to limit your exposure to friends and family, to insulate oneself, it started with fewer and fewer women posted at forums and then the men followed. Most forums died. Artists, why do they need to really know each other, other than as possible collaborators?

Some dinosaurs like IMP still wanted to have an artist community even though it's more convenient not to. You need somebody to pay attention to them, make sure bad stuff doesn't happen. People get angry at them for various reasons, they blame their problems on them. They hold them to unreasonable standards and active community members as well.

I don't know when, hell it may have started back when the pipeline started, people started to think they were doing the site a huge favor by visiting, participating. They get mad at me or mad at the site or mad their song didn't get enough attention and gosh darn it, they're through with the pipeline. I have a good friend, we fight all the time about the pipeline, you should just get rid of it. I don't want to. Not going to happen.

I see it a little differently. I think we're doing a positive thing by having it. Even if nobody uses it. Even if I've seen some of the most negative, cynical stuff this week I've ever seen on a forum anywhere. Even if I have to tolerate hearing the same kind of stuff in private conversations with friends. If this is how the community represents, if this is how my friends represent, so be it. If the good in people doesn't shine through, it's still another news day, They still do the weather when it's windy out. You still get to feel anyway you want to feel about things, and there are still a few places where you can even talk about that.

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 10:08:11 AM ---- Updated 4/28/2017 10:08:41 AM

I was involved with a genealogy forum way back, seeking out where the roots of our name started, had a Russian professor befriend me,so helpful, and a number of Bulgarians helped out assisting me in my research, before that, I even got involved with B Bs thats a long time ago, I am sure many others here have experience with those, before you had browsers.

things have changed, none of us though are paragons of virtue, there has been ugliness here ,far worse then a little rant here and there by some the last few days, . pretty tame these days compared to iacmusic pipeline days , think I am kidding or BSing. I am not, you know that......we can do better, but as well Scott, people have better things to do then sit here and type out stuff. I am getting that way, so are others, it is a different world, and so it should be, we can use our time far more wisely then churning out our viewpoints or vision on things, people many I think are after things IRL that matter, here. its ok, but its dried up like camel shite in the hot desert, I think Larree said that once, we had a spurge of activity, not sure what is going on now. pretty dead.


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4/28/2017 10:38:12 AM

Wow, poetic coolness.

" They still do the weather when it's windy out"

I may have to write a song out of that.
Thank you vury much.

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4/28/2017 11:01:30 AM


your memory is different than mine. I remember the first IAC forum cause I was moderating it. Those guys (incidentally from the same garageband community previously mentioned) said the C word so often all the women left. Then we had incidents on the pipeline in 2007 where a drunk artist was threatening women and had to get tossed, some beloved members left here at that time. If you're referring to the incident from the other day, that pillar of the community you stepped in to defend is currently spreading huge lies about this site wherever he can.

It's ok that people don't have much to say, what's changed now is that there is a cynical element that almost seems to find some joy in pointing out when things get slow. I'm pretty sure some people root for IMP to fail. I even have close friends I might be able to say that about. I understand that the trend is to basically stay on facebook and twitter and that's the beginning and end. I do know that there are great artists that find appreciation here that aren't about to anywhere else, so we exist at least for that purpose.

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 11:07:51 AM

Scott dont tell me my memory is different, I experienced and saw what went on, in the early days it was fine then it deteriorated. so dont try to paint it different then it was.

Snide remarks and sarcasm is not a great virtue either. why even dwell on it, I saw that post afterwards yesterday before you took it down, I can see the frustration oozing out of you. dont blame you,. but its time to let those things go and quit hanging out the dirty laundry of someone who may be experiencing issues we dont know about,

I will defend whoever I damn well please when I damn well want, you actions were unacceptable Scott, you got personal, that was no way for someone who is leading this place to act, to go down to their level and react in a manner unbecoming of a CEO

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4/28/2017 11:39:08 AM

No it was not fine then and turrible now, Bryon. Don't try to tell me what happened, I was here. and the Ray Porter incident that caused Anjuli and others to leave was far more extreme than ANYTHING that's happened at indiemusicpeople.com. You can ask Stoneman too some of the things he experienced.

I said you can say what you what, don't try to act like I said anything otherwise. I'm just an artist like anyone else here, I'm allowed the same range of emotions. There's something wrong when folks take what we're offering here for granted and start just shitting on us because they think they can. I'll call them out if I damn well feel like it, just like you said.

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4/28/2017 11:41:11 AM

he means,

you can say what you want. typo there, my guess...

Scott, you run the Coolest Indie Site Ever.

Better than mp3.com.

The King just told you so.


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4/28/2017 11:48:40 AM

ah Bryon, we all want the same thing.

you gotta remember though, I'm not Richie Cunningham, I'm Father Time.

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 11:49:49 AM

Ok ,let sleeping dogs die and lie and put away the pens of poison and use them for a better and higher purpose. we each are going to defend our own take on things. I cant convince you, you cant convince me. we view things from a different perspective. But one thing I wont stand for is personal attacks, and when I see it happen here it makes me cringe Scott. There is no place for it anywhere not here not on FB not nowhere. so lets agree to disagree and let it ride.

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4/28/2017 12:16:10 PM

I just wanted to pick up on what Scott said about Garageband.com....

I made some of my best friends there but I NEVER went to their forum (didn't even know they had one) I did all my chatting and communicating via their message system - OK there was only ever 2 people talking but I liked that.

Back here (10 years ago) I also used the tags, comments and PMs, but I HATED the forum, which was separate from The Pipeline.... I remember Scott having plenty of trouble berating artists and stepping into arguments, it often got nasty and eventually it was removed.

I don't know what else to say, I have no solution, many things have been tried. Most folks are not content to just socialise for the sake of it, there always has to be another reason. I wish it were different and I don't want to keep being logical and reasoning all the while when it means so much to Scott.

Maybe we should rename the site again.... how about Jurassic Park :)

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 12:35:20 PM

thanks for sharing Jilly, appreciate your insight. Everyone have a wonderful day or evening keep making music, or poetry, or a garden. .i doing that today cheers

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4/28/2017 12:58:00 PM

Personally, I like to know what people are really thinking rather than listen to the pablum that passes for "polite" conversation. I can do "polite", but internally it makes me roll my eyes and gnash my teeth. I know most people want to exist in a world in which everyone thinks the best of others, is willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt (which I do...though you might not believe it), and never gets angry. That's not this world, though, and that's not actual human behavior. It's not real. Some people give a good illusion of it, but I know better, and buttery smooothness just actually pisses me off, because I know it's a sham, and who likes that?

I don't get offended by people on the internets saying what they really are thinking, even if it's stupid or mean. Mostly, I laugh at it. Occasionally, it makes me sad. But it's human, and I'd rather listen to real humans rather than plastic masks.

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4/28/2017 12:59:39 PM

We need more artists and less anon stupidity.

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4/28/2017 1:07:18 PM

We need more artists, but some of them can be stupid anons :)

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4/28/2017 1:08:27 PM

Fair compromise, lol

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 1:13:26 PM

yeah, with ya LyinDan, but there has to be some respect , not being an ass .I am not intimidated by anyone, although when younger was, I had to overcome that, ,and if I see a wrong being done, I step in the fray, and can go toe to toe, done it here other places and at some of the most challenging places on construction sites running jobs, that my friend is insanity sometimes,. man there you got to be a prick but diplomatic, sometimes you are in peoples faces, and I have lost my cool and temper and said things I shouldnt have. . I am not into dissing flaming or degrading or getting personal and dumping on others though, that is not my style, never has been

If it gets like that, I am out,. I dislike the whole aspect of coming down hard on someone and getting personal, correcting a person though and saying they are out of line and breaking rules, then you give them a time out. here, that has been done, or people leave on their own rather then being banned. I had that happen because I said something someone did not like. but getting personal , well I hope I have not done that, but probably have without knowing it.

Garden time, unless i see some fun times starting here, then I will pile on manure to help the cause

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4/28/2017 1:18:31 PM

That's the spirit!

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 1:23:55 PM

Yup, I can be that itch you cant scratch, the sliver under your fingernail you cant get at that guy kicking crap of of the line of BS that sometimes gets dished out here.

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4/28/2017 1:26:34 PM

I'd be interested to know what you guys would regard as crossing the line as far as artist behavior goes. I mean like for instance, if an artist goes to other sites and spreads outright lies about this site, am I justified to nuke them? I think it's just wrong for somebody to be spreading utter fibs about IMP, shouldn't there be some price to pay for that?

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4/28/2017 1:28:07 PM

Well, if someone is doing all that you have every right to do that.

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 1:35:45 PM

Well Scott, spreading an attitude of hate or slamming another place, that is wrong if someone is dumping lies and improper info and being disrespectful of the site. I would give them a warning, 2 X and then if it continues because of that behavior that person gets reprimanded appropriately, spreading untruths is unacceptable, now is there a possibility of a person getting mistreated here. cause I have experience in that aspect. that is unacceptable as well. This is what offends and drives people away. but sometimes I guess we have to step in , but in PRIVATE, sending an email directly to the offender, stating that if this behavior of dissing the IMP site continues , measures will be taken and they rights and privileges here will be addressed and to the point of a temporary ban or a complete removal of all materials from their artist site

They would be required to take down anything that is harmful and delete any comments at other places. obviously it should not happen, and should not be tolerated.

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4/28/2017 1:44:40 PM

What do you mean you have experience in that aspect? Do you feel you got mistreated here?

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Steve White

4/28/2017 1:47:47 PM

Well I'm pretty sure everyone here knows you are speaking of me.

I'll be glad to copy and paste what I posted at only one not several sites and you could point out to me the part or parts that are not true.

Myself? I'd rather just move on and forget about it.


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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 1:53:52 PM

its old news, way back I dont even care. almost decade ago.bothered me then, got over it. cant dwell on stuff, it will eat ya up, its now that counts. I am on a mission for dealing with the right now. good energy and cosmic vibes, Sorry you have to deal with so much crap sometimes Scott. its a juggling act. as for S W , must be something bugging him ,he probably doesnt feel well ,. humans. we have such a need for attention, someone to listen to us. I dont. I just want to ensure this place survives. and has good energy. positive stuff. I would just delete anything you see that his harmful here. and elsewhere, you can issue complaints to sites where untruths are being posted about IMP, I did that at a site years ago, with a threat of a lawsuit. due to what was being posted, that fixed that promptly and the host took down the garbage

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4/28/2017 2:00:16 PM ---- Updated 4/28/2017 2:01:02 PM

If you'd rather forget about it, Steve, you wouldn't have posted it in several places as you did.

Let's go over what you said that was untrue.

First you said I deleted your post, which you posted at the Planet after you already knew that the post was still on your blog.

Secondly you made it seem like IMP does not have artist support, causing people to post things like this.

"I don't think I've ever seen a place where whoever is in charge doesn't want to know about site issues. "Normally", that sort of thing is appreciated because, well...these places want to be "working" for people so they don't get frustrated."

Now, you let him believe this, instead of pointing out that we have a support email which goes directly to the CEO which you have in fact used in the past.

You also misrepresented WHY we have a policy about no site issues which is because the pipeline is for fans too.

You also said "If I say ANYTHING negative about that place the post is gone." People say a lot of negative things here about the place. A total misrepresentation.

You also said "They told me that if I wanted links to work pay them 400.00." Totally leaving out that we've gone out of our way to give you instruction on how to create html links and people like Lesley have even volunteered to do the work for you. How come you didn't mention that? Also leaving the impression by your lack of filling in the blanks that the links in general here do not work. Nice.

and lastly you said "it looks like that site is close to death." Is that any way to talk about a site that has you on so many stations that you're often on this pipeline posting a tally of how many?

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4/28/2017 2:04:03 PM

Bryon anytime I even remove a post about a site issue after the endless warnings we've done, even though I didn't delete it, even after I let that post run for a full day and accumulate all kind of stuff including a financial accounting of the site, you see what happens.

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Steve White

4/28/2017 2:12:07 PM

That's pretty skewed and like I said I'll copy and paste exactly what I posted and we can go over line by line and I can explain what I meant.

I would still just like to move on though.

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 2:16:59 PM

Scott, you have to handle it as you did, you are the guy, the man, executive decision.
there are way more things you have accomplished to be proud of , and yes, these other things are a nuisance, a waste of time energy and emotions, the rules have to be followed and the thing is, people have to be mindful of what they say, online, because it is essentially a forever thing.

cheers, carry on your good works


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4/28/2017 2:19:36 PM ---- Updated 4/28/2017 2:20:43 PM


Move on, you're the one who felt wronged because you don't want us to have rules about having site issues on the pipeline.

Why don't you explain what's skewed about my above post ?

Do you think it's cool to be leading everyone to believe there that I deleted you, that we don't care about artist support, and that the site is close to death?

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 2:19:39 PM

the thing is about links, you dont need to embed them Steve, you just place the mouse over a link and click it and even if it aint hyperlinked, you can still get to it. when time I will explain it further, I have seen lots of no link thing here and just clicked over it and an instruction thing shows up and you choose it and it takes you to the song , the site the whatever

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Steve White

4/28/2017 2:23:23 PM

I can't keep doing this. I have really bad anxiety problems and this is raising it through the roof.

I DID NOT post on several sites. I was trying to help but never will again.

When you remove a post from the place that everyone is reading it's pretty much deleting from the pipeline, right?

Anyhow. I can't do it. Can't keep replying to you like this.

Let it go. It's posted on ONE site and that sites other half on FB.

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4/28/2017 2:25:43 PM

Sorry about your anxiety, Steve..

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Bryon Tosoff

4/28/2017 2:27:24 PM

I know about this Anxiety thing, i dont have it, but know that it complicates a health issue. and the stress thing, I have to watch what I do and say at home, its a health thing and when someone sees and hears something that they interpret as negative or personal it really affects certain individuals, we dont want to cause issues with people who suffer with health issues, but saying that, lets just be the best we can be.


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