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1/31/2020 12:37:15 PM ---- Updated 1/31/2020 12:42:14 PM

California passes law that will cripple and burden indie musicians
This is an article I think is important for all of us,even those of us who do not live in California, it is possible this could affect us in the future, I dont understand the thinking,reasoning or the idea of why this was done, it boggles the mind.

I get info from Erin M. Jacobson who is a Music Industry Lawyer on a regular basis. She has many years of experience insight and understanding of how the music industry works, in this article she covers the onerous and debilitating law recently passed in California that is sure to create more hardship for the performing and self employed musician living in the state that seems to hell bent on making things more difficult for you who live there, the independent musician.


"This month I want to discuss AB5, a new California law that affects the entire music industry. This new law changes how employees and independent contractors are classified, and the way the law is drafted makes independent musicians function as employers whenever they hire another musician to play in a band (even if it’s just for one show instead of an on-going arrangement), hire another musician to perform on a record (even as a one-off, work for hire session), hire a producer (or beatmaker) for their record, and more!

This means independent musicians as employers would be required to handle payroll, pay payroll and employment taxes, provide health insurance, and more for anyone they hire. This could create enormous and crippling financial and administrative burdens for independent musicians, as well as MOVE the music industry OUT of California! It is important that you know about what is happening and how it can affect your career, so I have written a new article on the topic, which you can read by clicking HERE

As the industry navigates this new landscape, business continues."
Erin M. Jacobson, music industry lawyer

Further to these points Erin has made

For those living, performing and recording entertaining and working a trying to earn a living as a indie musician this is a critical vital and important article to read

Keep learning your chops, making music and developing your musicianship, but it is also important as well to learn about the business of music, that is a key element to help you navigate through the many obstacles that you are bound to bump into along the way


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The Man With No Band

1/31/2020 4:00:21 PM

I'd have to look further into this to get exited about it ...
As soon as I read "provide health insurance, and more for anyone they hire"
it made me realize the poster has little clue as to how the laws work regarding small business...

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Bryon Tosoff

1/31/2020 4:30:50 PM

haha. point taken, yes, indeed, and it is California, yet we too have burdens to take care of no matter where we live, seems inordinate amounts of monies are being grabbed by our governments , certainly where I live it is not easy running a business with additional taxation methods being passed, no matter where in the world we are .we all have to pay the piper and I have two small businesses one a promotions company which at times I have had to hire people and a small music teaching company, and know all about health insurance payroll and etc.

The point the lawyer was illustrating was for the individual, not businesses or companies,, so as I indicated this is primarily talking about indie musicians who are going to be saddled with unnecessary administrative duties which in the past they did not have to be concerned about. I posted something which I found interesting since it was from an individual well versed in the music business, so I defer to her knowledge and understanding about this subject.

thanks for your input., appreciate your thoughts


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Duane Flock

2/1/2020 8:35:17 AM ---- Updated 2/1/2020 8:41:05 AM

Living in the SF Bay area, this doesn't surprise me at all! Little over 20 years ago I had my own business and couldn't afford the burden, so I just paid for my help "under the table". For them it was a winner too because there were no taxes. Although it was a small car-boat detailing business, they understood the drawbacks but were happy to have a job.

This is just another reason why I play most everything myself and only hire or trade a "guest artist " or two for my music. Leave it to California to find another way to tax and collect from the common man. They could have left out Independent musicians in that "broad" bill.
I'm wondering if it's the big boys behind this trying to get exclusively back on top since we Indies are getting a good foothold in the biz. They can afford to line the pockets of key people in higher places.


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2/1/2020 5:57:22 PM

One step closer to the end; Labels want it all and they will get it soon. They have always played the game for their signed acts, but they are tired of sharing the Pie with little guys/girls now. It was a fun ride, anyway.

Check it out; now you know HOW they Chart, sell CD/Downloads, and the Labels get all their money Back in Spades; Indies have NO CHANCE:


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2/1/2020 6:00:58 PM

I want to record a demo and pay a few friends to play; I have to hire them like real employees, pay the taxes, and provide them with health insurance.

Is that the biggest load of BS ever? Welcome to the one-party state of California!

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2/1/2020 6:17:21 PM

The Rich get Richer and We just keep grabbing for the Leftovers, my Brother.

Sucks don't it.

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2/1/2020 6:18:42 PM

Big time.

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2/2/2020 1:58:40 PM

I may have seen this coming when I was a kid. That may be why I taught myself how to play all the instruments and sing all the vocals. This consistent grab for money by non-creatives is so shitty. But I will reserve my final judgment of it until after I read the entire law. I have been lured to anger far too often by erroneous claims. Tired of being faked out for no reason. But, if it is as stated here, I'll probably be the next one considering a move out of California. Jeesh, I could sell my house and live like a rich man in a place like Texas. They don't even tax veterans there. Of course, the bad part would be that I would be living in Texas. Ew!

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2/2/2020 9:08:29 PM

Them's Fightin' Words in Tex-As, Stoneman!! 8D

I'm a Louisianimal from Next Door working in Alaska.

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Gotta love them Louisianimals!! Watch...


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2/3/2020 1:22:02 AM

Lets see, a few good things about Texas? Hmmmm good beef, great music festivals and well, I suppose there are a few good people there but the vast majority are back asswards thinking, gun toting, Rednecks. Lord knows that there ain't nothing but trouble in Texas and Black people (especially) should stay the Hell away from that ignorant place. Yep, been there and seen it for myself. Once again, Ew! By the way, people who can't fight tend to be enamored with guns. Texans can't fight but most are a pretty good shooters. Naw, Texas, Not my scene dude. I'll stick with Cali.

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2/3/2020 12:50:27 PM

Those type Texans don't come to the Bayou very often; Alligators get Hungry.


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2/3/2020 1:03:18 PM

I have no "beef" with Texas. The last time I drove through Texas I received a warning instead of a speeding ticket because I was respectful to the officer. Go, Texas!

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2/4/2020 10:03:05 PM ---- Updated 2/4/2020 10:03:05 PM

Larree, if you were Black you probably would have went to jail. Or worse, been shot for DWB (driving while Black). There has been a lot of those shootings in Texas and many were traffic stops. Had a family member that moved there (interracial couple). They got so harassed by racists in their neighborhood that they moved back to California in less than a year. Now, they refuse to even visit other family members that we have there. But, my brother moved there 4 years ago and after selling his house here, he bought a mansion in Texas and still had $200,000.00 left over. But the bad part is that now he lives in Texas. Such a beautiful home surrounded by beautiful homes filled with hateful people. Sort of like sleeping near the enemy. You already know that they want you dead or gone. That wonderful Southern hospitality?

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2/4/2020 11:18:29 PM

Point taken, Stoneman! Respect!

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2/5/2020 5:38:53 AM

Much Respect Back Atcha Brother!

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