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Father Time
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5/11/2017 6:34:00 PM
You guys are basically missing the plot here.
Trump is caught in the Russia churn, and he will not recover. He'll be lucky if he's president for another year. No matter what happens he will be the biggest embarrassment in the history of the USA.
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Bryon Tosoff
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5/11/2017 7:41:58 PM
but he makes us laugh and is good fodder for late night shows. my wife and I get a kick out of his antics. especially today about Comey and his firing him. he is a riot
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Father Time
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5/11/2017 7:56:03 PM
well would you be less amused if he was your president?
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Bryon Tosoff
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5/11/2017 8:13:27 PM
we have had our issues with some of the leaders now and in the past.there have been a few who are true leaders with class and ones who had a great bearing and set a standard of quality and had a level of genuineness about them. I remember a few such as Justin Trudeau's father, Lester Pearson, and Jean Chretien , as for Trump well frankly I have never seen anything like this, anywhere, yet, despite his foibles and self inflicted stumbles,he seems to survive and I think it only can get, er well, um hmm well lets say, a bit more interesting over the next while, hows that, yet I would take him no probs, send him up, and we will get a boxing match going with Justin. : )
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JeffH
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5/12/2017 8:05:00 AM
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The plot?
This is a page half way through the book...
He will either get impeached or somehow... crawl out of this mess battered and bruised.
The lack of public trust in our officials and the division in this country is leading to much bigger problems...
So how'd did we get here?
You really should listen to what the other side has to say... how anyone anywhere in America can call themselves a liberal is beyond me.
You think I'm a Trump supporter... but really I just support America and the original beliefs and rights as they were written. You can call me a Patriot... something that more often Republicans subscribe to than Democrats..
You think PC is correct you think Social Justice is correct go research the roots of these ideas...
Socialism Communism Marxism have been penetrating our free society for decades and they've used the Liberals as their mechanism to do so... little by little year after year student by student.
We are at the boiling point... and Liberals have lost all sense of logic.Do you think BLM AntiFa the fraction-ed feminist movement 72 gender classifications etc... are logical?
Russia most likely played Trump... they needed him to win to fan the flames of the liberal opposition. And they are winning... right now.
And you are happy because you're a Liberal minded brainwashed individual.
I see a much bigger picture than you seem to talk about so tell me how this benefits anyone here...
If you have Justice or strive for it why would you need to put Social in front of it...
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Father Time
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5/12/2017 1:38:34 PM
Jeff, I don't hate conservatives nearly as much as you hate liberals. but I think if you were a patriot you wouldn't be as much of a defender of the status quo as you are. If a liberal were calling you brainwashed you wouldn't be taking kindly to it, either, but you have absolutely no problem with spewing that here. Meanwhile you also spew a lot of terminologies only seen in wingnut land so you might want to check your own brain there.
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Bryon Tosoff
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5/12/2017 1:45:37 PM
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see here, look at that. sheesh, head checked. getting personal there FT, At least Jeff shows up here and helps keeps this place active, which I would say is a good thing. it is not as great as an interactive place as you would like to think, a handful of us come here, and when we say something you dont like you get your nuts all twisted up F@@k man.
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Father Time
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5/12/2017 2:34:39 PM
No Bryon, the problem is you view my every post as coming from the guy who runs the place rather than seeing me as just another contributor like you or Jeff. Should I really not be allowed to say that in response to Jeff calling me brainwashed? But you don't see that, you only see my words as coming from the CEO, like I've been reduced to less-than-human status because I've chosen to take on this responsibility. Political forums are about discussing what's right and what's wrong, not about me carefully nurturing participants. Why should I have to be less honest than any of you? I think your demand here is unfair.
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Bryon Tosoff
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5/12/2017 2:44:23 PM
pretty hard to separate that FT, you are the guy, now there in lies the problem, you cant be one thing and then another, now you run the church and are the high priest, its your show man. I was making a point,. we dont have to stoop to personal name calling and attacks , calling someone a wingnut or get your brain check to me is just inappropriate, although that just doesnt seem to sink in
I am not up for justification of what one says is ok just because. you want interaction, you want this place to grow, so do eYe, lol., you have your style, guess thats cool . run with it, let it ride. i just dont see any point for me to waste my time here if i have a point or someone else does, the whole polotical pipeline leans way left, no balance on the top news released its all anti Trump, or anti republican, which at first I thought it was going to be more balanced with news items on this pipeline getting a fair shake from both sides, obviously from what I see , it aint happening
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Father Time
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5/12/2017 3:02:40 PM
Seems to me that the balance here swings right. There's you and Jeff and Larree who all seem to have issues with liberals. I know we've made a great effort to post articles from both sides. and generally there have been more links to sources like Breitbart and Daily Caller than Huffington and Daily Beast.
So you see no point for you to waste your time chiming in if the CEO is a liberal? I don't get that at all. I also don't have any problem seeing myself as just another artist like yourself, it kind of annoys me that you seem to want me to not post here, like the CEO has to be treated like a second class citizen?
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JeffH
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5/12/2017 3:36:13 PM
FT
If all you got was the brainwashed part... my apologizes. I'll try and stop the name calling. This is a safe space...
Feelings matter too...
It's actually very disheartening to me to see so many people fooled today by the Left...
I believe they have polluted so many young minds and it will take a long time if there is ever a chance to fix it...
That is in part the Republicans fault... they stood by and did nothing while the Universities across this country were turned into safe spaces. Are you f'ing kidding me?
Who will ever employ these people? Oh that's right $15 minimum wage and take from the wealthy and give free money to the useless degree of a snowflake.
Insanity....
Have you watched the changes occurring at the schools in America?
If you want to change a culture or a society you start at a young age and continue it on through to higher learning. It takes time but if there is no push to oppose it.
There how's that for some tinfoil hat talk...
I'd post some intellects speaking on it but you wouldn't watch it... and you'd probably call me a whack-job Repub. Some Universities in America you can no longer do that... but I wouldn't be offended... here or anywhere.
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Father Time
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5/12/2017 5:58:29 PM
Jeff,
I've been involved in politics online for years and I don't think i've ever seen anyone with more contempt for liberals than you. Which is especially odd considering how the Trump admin is basically destroying what our country stands for by the day, and how Republicans did nothing but obstruct Obama for every minute of his 2 terms.
I don't mind somebody calling me brainwashed. That stuff happens in political forums. but I don't like this idea that whatever I say has a different connotation based on my admin status on this site.
I'm not even sure what offends you so much about current libs. They are pro-abortion, anti-racism, anti-gay bigotry, pro-ecology. Now you seem like a smart guy, you probably are most of those things yourself. Maybe you hate Obamacare. Personally it helped me. You mentioned social justice. What exactly is your biggest gripe, can you explain?
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