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Steve April
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2/8/2026 9:09:20 PM
My Concerns About AI...
One of my concerns about AI...
The vocals sound too similar...and boring...
"AI Overview
AI vocals often sound similar because they are trained on a limited, high-quality dataset of popular music, favoring a "safe," radio-friendly, and technically perfect, yet emotionally sterile, sound. They lack unique human, cultural, or emotional imperfections, often relying on consistent, synthesized, and auto-tuned-like algorithms that can result in a narrow, repetitive, and unoriginal sound."
Well, AI portrait of AI...lol
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W.E.Ervine
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2/8/2026 9:27:50 PM
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Unfortunately there are those who will not agree with you here. Expect some feed back. I for one agree whole heartedly with you! Creativity takes lots of work & AI is the easy way out & really nothing to do with creativity & pride in your creations!
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Steve April
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2/8/2026 9:43:37 PM
Wes, hear you on this one alright!
Gee, human voices are so much more relatable imhv...
Ready for the blowback...***
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Larree
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2/9/2026 1:49:02 AM
I treat Suno AI like a computer game. I mainly use it for experimentation and fun. And when I do share my creations, I go for total transparency. That said, my next two serious releases will be the next Contemplating Waves album and a mono solo acoustic album. And a fun little side project that I am keeping secret for now.
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Larree
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2/9/2026 1:56:47 AM
... And I will add this. I do not think AI stymies creativity at all. I believe the opposite to be true. I once read an essay by Stravinsky discussing the concept of creativity with constraints. He talked about how we, as musical creators, can find many opportunities to express creativity even when we have to work withing the restraints of style. For example, how does one express originality within the formulaic restrictions of Blues? We can all relate to that one, I think.
Anyway, the technology is so new and it behooves us to at least be aware of it and experiment with it on our own terms.
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Larree
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2/9/2026 2:08:18 AM
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Now I do not think AI is perfect or creative on it's own at all. It is very generic, and the rhythms are so mathematically precise that there is no feel to it; no swing. And the instrumental solos are so boring. I can literally sing the next note of every AI solo before the note sounds. But for trying out different orchestrations and arrangements, it really is a valuable tool.
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Gregg-Sterling30
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2/9/2026 11:43:08 AM
I'm expecting life-like robot bands to be coming next.. Seems like the next logical step in this 'evolution"...
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Desperado Revue
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2/9/2026 12:24:08 PM
AI has a foothold on IMP.
Norm.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/9/2026 4:01:27 PM
Ai is a nothing burger at IMPNATION* ( *i coined this a number of years ago) !!!
So no, Ai is just a fart in the wind, a little stinky yet will blow away in time. its just a passing fad. but fun to see what it does
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Larree
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2/9/2026 4:21:49 PM
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Exactly, Bryon. Just a tiny spec of dust here on IMP. No real musicians are abandoning their instruments for Suno.
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Richard Scotti
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2/9/2026 6:43:28 PM
The truly exciting thing about AI is how it is helping doctors and scientists find cures and treatments for all kinds of terrible diseases as well as accurately diagnosing these illnesses.
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Gregg-Sterling30
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2/9/2026 8:50:33 PM
If we returned to the vaccine schedule most of us grew up under, approx, 3 versus the 72-90 shots a child growing up today is subjected to I would say it's a safe assumption that the Medical Industrial Complex would shrink by perhaps as much 90% within a fairly short time frame.
AI will turn the world into a giant concentration camp and will not cure anyone of anything... That's my humble opinion on that matter.
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Larree
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2/10/2026 12:39:12 AM
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That's right, Richard. AI is already a valuable tool in the field of medical science, particularly in cancer research.
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Gregg-Sterling30
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2/10/2026 9:07:31 AM
A cure for cancer would mean an end to today's 250 million a year industry.. To many people are getting paid very well to keep this charade up so it will never happen.
If one really wanted to eliminate the real source of most cancers it would be as simple as eliminating all vaccines.
Here's just one account from 1912. (Original claim made, there are many more doctors making the same claim during the 1800's..)
""W.B. Clarke, M.D. [said] in 1936... 'I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated person'... And the only vaccine... then was the meningococcal...experimental vaccine...and the smallpox vaccine."
This speaker is quoting from Dr. Clark's book releases in 1936.
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Larree AI
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2/10/2026 4:34:36 PM
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Larree AI
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2/12/2026 1:19:35 AM
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deleted again, lol
I just wanted to fix a typo, but I could not. So I deleted the post and reposted it.
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Larree AI
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2/12/2026 1:22:10 AM
Hate all you want, but there is no way any of us could produce something like this without AI. This literally took me about 10 minutes to put together. Orchestra, choir, opera singers, etc. It would cost thousands of dollars and take weeks or even months to do this. I have about a half dozen opera versions, plus a few country versions and even some prog metal versions, lol. AI is a dream come true!
Anyway, song story: I was in a flame war (what's new?) over AI in a group I moderate on FB. A girl asked a simple question and needed some help, and instead of helping or ignoring, she was ganged up on by all the anti-AI gatekeepers. I stepped in and tried to stop it, but the group exploded in controversy. All I asked for was that people follow the rules. No one was getting it, so I put this together, and it definitely ruffled some feathers, lol.
Booted and Banned
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The Rhythm Kings
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2/12/2026 7:28:17 AM
Ok I cannot believe I listened to all 7 Mins. of this. Very entertaining. I must say.
Tempting, But I will not use AI.
Love Ya All.
Bruce
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Larree
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2/12/2026 9:38:17 AM
I can appreciate that, Bruce! Thanks for listening!
It's just another tool in the toolbox. Some guitar players prefer to use a bank of pedals and effects, while others opt to plug straight into the amp. And it's all good.
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W.E.Ervine
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2/12/2026 2:17:03 PM
If AI is fart in the wind & a spec of dust passing by, then why put it on here. If those who love it want to experiment with it & view it as nothing to worry about, then why put it on here when no one likes the idea? Experiment on your own because what you are doing is pushing it's agenda on here. AI does make mistakes because it was created by a flawed human! I say we should all take a vote whether we want AI promoted on here or not!
I say NAY!
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Larree
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2/12/2026 3:08:57 PM
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Get over yourself, Wes. You are not the gatekeeper of IMP. Scott said it's cool, and you don't have to listen to it. But I will still add your music to my stations if I dig your tracks. I'm not going to get vindictive towards you. You play some good music, man. Party on.
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Larree
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2/12/2026 3:21:22 PM
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I'm a very poor man. But I am rich in spirit. I partied too hard in my life without a net, and now I am an old man with nothing. I am thankful I even have a roof over my head and food to eat, thanks to the wonderful woman I live with. And I have no regrets. But I do cringe every time I break a guitar string because strings cost money. I don't even go to guitar stores anymore because I know I will probably never get to buy a new guitar or any other cool gear ever again. And sadly, I hardly even care. I have a crappy old laptop, and I don't even own a good recording mic. For me, Suno is a gift from the Lord God above. Music is my religion. Suno is my church. God bless.
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Desperado Revue
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2/12/2026 3:22:07 PM
The never ending story.
Norm.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/12/2026 4:12:02 PM
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hey Wes, I said fart in the wind first, you cant say it again, against the law of Bryon lol, try another saying like Ai is a nothing burger, wait i said that as well, let me see, Ai is like our mom. visit her often for advice and reassurance, moms know best. Ai is our mom.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/12/2026 4:19:53 PM
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I got a never ending love for A i, i yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi
there almost the last word, anyone up for making a song about this subject
I started it, everyone that comments has to add a line.
good luck
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Larree
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2/12/2026 4:36:18 PM
Of course Suno makes mistakes, Wes. Just like people. You do know that some of the best songs ever recorded contain mistakes that were saved because they sounded cool, right? My War of the Worlds piece has a doozy of a mistake. It read 140,000,000 as one hundred forty thousand thousand. In the future, I will always write out numbers, lol.
War of the Worlds
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Larree
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2/12/2026 9:11:50 PM
Bryon! Thank you so much for your kind words about Booted and Banned on your station. You rock, brother. Much love!
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Larree
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2/13/2026 11:21:15 AM
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Oh well. I guess Wes is a "hit and run" poster who drops his doodoo and does not engage in the conversation. I'll make sure to keep this in mind the next time I get the inkling to respond to him.
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Larree AI
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2/13/2026 2:19:14 PM
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Larree AI
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2/13/2026 2:26:09 PM
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Okay, the links did work in a different browser where I am not logged in to Suno. The point is, it took no time at all to create multiple versions of this song in different genres with different instrumentations in Suno, and cost virtually nothing. This is the greatest tool for songwriters (especially poor songwriters like me) ever invented. This is groundbreaking, future tech, and I am glad I am jumping in feet first.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/13/2026 2:35:48 PM
Cool, had to log in though, once i did I got to your song, also followed you Larree at Suno
two great renditions !! too cool and you rule
bryon
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Larree AI
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2/13/2026 2:38:39 PM
Thanks, Bryon!
And now I must get ready to head out to Russ's studio to record. First session of the year, finally! See ya latah!
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W.E.Ervine
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2/13/2026 3:35:32 PM
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I haven't really got time to waste my time answering Mr larree's demands. I'm sorry for expressing my 1st amendment rights, but evidently that's for Mr larree's discretion to decide, since he wields his first amendment rights left & right here! I'll try not to doo doo my pants Mr Larree & run away, but I digress. usually people who can't perform their own music do need help from "artificial intelligence", but who am I to say otherwise, since most of the artists on here do perform their own music, Kudos to them! When those repeatedly push their views on something that I'm sure most on here do not like, it really doesn't matter! Sort of like when mommy tells junior he must go doo doo on the pot whether he has to or not! I guess repeatedly she thinks eventually he will! So I'm retiring from here Mr Larree, I have better things to do than exercising my first amendment rights here.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/13/2026 4:09:31 PM
Wes, obviously you dont know Larree's abilities , the man kicks ass, his originals are great, so what if he, we, some are experimenting with Ai, it means nothing in the big scheme of things for those of us who are songwriters, performers recording artists.
I played in a number of bands, my own, as a sideman and as a soloist.
I dont have to preach to the choir here, people know my chops are good and I have been around the block as a performer, I am going on 77 and dont have anything to prove here or elsewhere. Neither does Larree the man is a phenom musician performer songcrafter.
Ai is just a tool to use and it is in its infancy. But I aint gonna rely on it for my music.
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Paul groover
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2/13/2026 7:22:40 PM
AI is just another tool like modular synths and samplers were back in the day. It can only output what you give it to work with. So if you are using it try to be as vivid and lucid as you can
This is the thing computers run on frequencies sine waves basically. That is what the world u see round about you is a bunch of sine waves. In a mathematical sense Ai really bothers me
It is like the key master in the Matrix every door has a key that will fit it. Do you really want to open that door. Especially you have no clue of the consequences of that action has in the long run. It is not our generation who will have to deal with the fallout of our decisions
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Larree
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2/13/2026 10:26:09 PM
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Wes, I would never dream of stepping on anyone's First Amendment rights. And that said, I apologize for making that assumption about you. But I am deeply hurt that you have never listened to any of my music. I have my main page, and I also have archive pages for all my old bands going back to the 1970s when I was a teenager, long before AI, here on IMP. When I started playing in bands, I had to ride three buses and walk a solid mile to jam with a drummer. We didn't have drum machines or DAWs back then. Give a listen sometime. You might actually like it. I think we would probably sound pretty good jamming together. Party on, and Happy Valentine's Day. Kisses!
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Larree
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2/13/2026 11:03:11 PM
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Bryon! Once again, thank you so much for the kind words. I am humbled. :)
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Larree
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2/13/2026 11:35:04 PM
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Wes? I was just thinking. Aren't you trying to step on our First Amendment rights by trying to get AI music banned from here? Expression is expression, no matter how we express. Ya know? Just sayin'. :)
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Scott
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2/14/2026 12:44:05 AM
hey you guys, I see both of your vantage points. Les believes in pure human songwriting and I sure relate to that. Larree is open to being experimental as many artists are. However both of you have made great songs with no AI employed so there's no reason for any disrespect.
I'd ask that from this point forward, all AI discussions go downstairs. In fact I've just asked our IT dude who is finishing up the new site as we speak to make a tool which allows me to move threads from this forum to that one.
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Larree
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2/14/2026 5:13:34 AM
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Excellent idea, Scott. Before Zuckershmuck eliminated the group chats on Facebook, the songwriting group I moderate had a chat set up specifically for AI discussion. Now that the group chats are gone, our main wall has turned into a total shitshow, lol.
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Larree
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2/14/2026 5:19:37 AM
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And my last word on the subject up here on the pipeline is this. I challenge anyone (like Wes) who hates AI with this much passion to go back to writing and producing their songs as solo acoustic guitar or piano songs recorded on mono cassette recorders. Heck, I may go back to that myself just for kicks. I know I still have my old Sony Superscope in a box somewhere! :)
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The Dorroughbys
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2/14/2026 7:21:05 AM
My two cents which is just my opinion and which I am not coming back to this thread to defend:
I'm gonna take the Marxist view on this one - the value of anything lies in the human labor put in to produce it. In the case of music, the long hours of composing lyrics, melody, and arrangements, as well as performance and production aspects. And not only for the current piece, but those countless thousands of hours most of us here have put in over the years to develop our skills to a high level, that we can now apply to the current piece. Without this labor, a piece of music is, literally, worthless. It doesn't matter how 'good' AI can make it sound, it's worthless. Now and forever more.
However, this is not an all or nothing thing. If a person uses AI just to polish up the sound of a piece a bit that they have already labored long and hard over in all other aspects, then the value of the piece will inevitably be reduced, but reduced only by that proportion, the proportion that the AI added. Adding more AI = less value. Total AI = no value.
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Desperado Revue
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2/14/2026 7:53:41 AM
While a few are doing the AI sqare dance a lot of new songs are being uploaded to the site. These tracks deserve to be added to stations.
Norm.
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Larree
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2/14/2026 10:43:37 AM
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I agree with that, Norm! Man, we could use some more station managers!
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Desperado Revue
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2/14/2026 2:16:38 PM
I create a new station every other day lately.
Norm.
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Larree
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2/14/2026 3:13:35 PM
I've created a few new ones, too. Always looking for good sounds!
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