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Didorion
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5/29/2009 9:22:48 PM
clone music
why is it when nu talents are being sort out,they have to same
sound like this band or this artist,why can't we sound like ourself
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Bryon Tosoff
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5/29/2009 9:46:40 PM
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Good question, serious or not
but I guess it could be a natural progression of sorts as we learn from others through listening and over the course of time develop our own style, sound and ideas.
We are Creatures of habit and when something sounds good we like to imitate cause perhaps it makes us feel good. Of course, as a musician develops skills and abilities and taps into their creative ideas and juices I suppose you will find they grow and change, eventually some will find their own groove, and maybe some will not...then again, who are we to judge......
my thoughts on the subject....and a fine question too. and it is one which should get some decent feedback
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Richard Scotti
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5/29/2009 11:03:29 PM
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The problem is that record companies set the criteria for what makes it and what makes it is whatever is selling well at the moment. Unfortunately many bands try to sound like what is selling at the moment because they see it as the only path to success. They assume that after they succeed they will be able to really do their own thing. But it's a Catch-22 because when they try to sound like other bands they don't stand out from the crowd and they never get a chance to do their own thing because they never succeed. Also: if a band really tried to break the mold, they don't get signed so we never hear them therefore we think that most bands are clones because that's all we're allowed to hear. The goal of record companies is to market sameness and crush innovation. They specialize in cloning.
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Bryon Tosoff
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5/30/2009 12:03:50 AM
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Richard Said The problem is that record companies set the criteria
say Richard they (record co.) are not as influential as in the past.....but it is true the suits of some of the old way of doing things do that type of thing to some degree, and have screwed over good bands financially and musically. There have been cases of the label manipulating artists direction....
but The days of doing things that way are changing and the labels are getting their asses kicked these days in the pocketbook as indies and indie labels maneuver and create their own direction and music managing themselves, learning about the business of music......not just the music.
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6/6/2009 5:06:11 AM
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I think that there ARE a LOT of CLone bands/musicians out there.
BUT, to be compared to another musician, well....
THat's how we can RAP our MIND around a NEW sound.
And the interesting thing, DIFFERENT people, will hear DIFFERENT musician's voices, riffs or STYLES, based on their OWN musical influences/perceptions, in a given Indie Artist's prodigy.
FEELIN' depressed, yet philosophical, before I catch a couple of winks, and do another 14 hour day of WORK, and LOOKIN' for BETTER work....
-pHLeGm's two pence
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