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Vartan
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3/13/2009 4:56:28 AM
Life. When will it ever end?
Seriously. Ok. Time for sleep so I can do it all over again tomorrow. Yay.
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never never band
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3/13/2009 5:02:34 AM
in that last minuet, whenever it may come, it'll seem too soon.
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3/13/2009 5:04:24 AM
---- Updated 3/13/2009 5:11:08 AM
Hi Vartan... somedays it's overwhelming... somedays it's a beautiful gift... on those day's it's a bit harder and you just wish it would all end... you just have to keep breathing through it. My best to you!
EDIT:
Oh no, now I don't know if you were just being funny... well anyway... keep breathing.
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Vartan
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3/13/2009 5:14:15 AM
Hey there, yeah, I am just being my usual over-sarcastic self. Time to go paint the wall with my brains. ;-) Hahah
P.S. I really am kidding. No need to worry.
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3/13/2009 5:17:33 AM
How funny!!!... No worries! :-)
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Conversation Suicide
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3/13/2009 6:35:08 AM
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Life can end real nice if ya stick your Exhaust pipe to a HOSE and push the carbon monoxide into your lungs somehow. Like sitting in your vehicle, with the window only open enough to let the hose in.
SLeep and drift into the V Frequency.... SLEEEP....
BYE! BYE! BYE!
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Phlegm
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3/13/2009 8:48:22 AM
Urrr... that was a joke to. Love your choons Vartan.
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Sly Witt
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3/13/2009 1:17:28 PM
Someone recently did a documentary about folks who had jumped off the golden gate bridge. I heard him say in a radio interview that when he had talked to people who had survived the suicide attempt they all said almost exactly the same thing about the experience. The thought that they all shared after jumping was that they realized that the only REAL problem that they had was that they had just jumped off a bridge.
I've lost bandmates and family members to suicide. It's the most selfish thing a person can do. It screws up the life of everyone they touched. If you were at all serious, get some help and don't play with the idea. You have no right to destroy other people and your troubles just aren't really that important.
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AnigmaS
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3/13/2009 2:01:48 PM
Tomorrow = Hope
Sometimes we can begin to doubt or lose sight of that.
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3/13/2009 4:18:36 PM
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Hi Sly... it's nice meeting you.
I as well know of those that have either committed suicide or attempted. It is a serious matter. But I have to disagree with you about the selfishness of the act... each situation is unique. Yes, it may seem that way to those on the outside looking in... and it may be for some... but for a lot of people, when you are in a state of depression or despair to that extreme... you aren't thinking clearly... the only thing that matters is that you no longer feel the pain you're in... and for those that survive suicide attempts... in a lot of cases... it's a jarring wake up for them. I just think passing judgment on those by saying 'how selfish' is counter productive... maybe it's better to try to understand what their state of mind might have been that caused them to make such a decision and to hope that they have finally found peace. But that most certainly isn't to say that we shouldn't reach out to help those that we may suspect or know to be thinking in that manner.
Several years ago a young girl I know of, had been being molested by her father... she had been removed from the home and was placed in the system, after a while the decision was made to send her back to the home and the parent who was abusing her, she chose death instead. She stopped the pain in the only way she knew how... not a selfish act, an act of desperation.
I don't think Vartan was trying to make light of a serious subject... I think he was just trying to ease my concern because he changed his topic a bit, right after never never and I had posted... and so I wasn't clear on whether he was just being humorous... and so he tried to ease my concern... with the comment after mine. I imagine this isn't what he intended for his thread.
Anyway, just my thoughts... take care everyone!!! :-)
Okay Vartan... are you still breathing after reading this thread? ;-)
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Vartan
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3/19/2009 3:12:08 AM
Hey all. Still here. Yeah, I never meant to start such a serious convo, but I am delighted that I did get some people's synapsys (sp?) firing off.
I have known people who have committed suicide. My drama teacher in high school actually. Here was a man who recognized talent in me, encouraged me, and guided me as no other teacher had. And it is terrible to know that he had such terrible drama in his own life that he should end it and leave us, the other students and I, with a large gap in our lives. I don't know if it was selfish. But it was most certainly a personal decision and struggle for him. We really didn't see it coming. He was an actor after all.
I am not sure what my point was. I guess I wanted to let you all know for certain that I entertain no such idea about myself. I just have a black sense of humor.
It does make for such interesting prose. The idea of taking ones life brings out a passion in people. Because it brings up ideas of life death and the hereafter. And questions of eternity. Do we have a soul? Where is the soul? What happens to the soul after the body dies? Does it matter if you are good or bad? Heaven? Hell? Is there a god? Which god or gods actually exist if so? Is he or she making a list and checking it twice? Heheh.
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Bryon Tosoff
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3/19/2009 4:07:45 AM
Vartan, I am sure you will get a whole lot of responses to your latest group of questions...,that one on suicide is too close to home, I have known too many people who have gone that route, and it is disturbing indeed, but the pain they endure and deal with is enormous and it is their only way of coping with it and leaving that way seems unimaginable to us , but when individuals do this it is their way of escape..I could go further and explain more, but it is just too heavy a subject to talk about here.
As for the Soul and God thing that is another thought provoking one indeed. I have been involved with various groups and organizations with regards to belief systems, but have spent the last 13 years a wandering and a wondering in a wilderness of sorts. I have managed to come up with my own invention of what life is, haha and of what I feel life is all about..But it is a personal thing and people should not preach to others their own ideas unless asked , and I rather quietly wander through this life doing good.
We are but Sojourners.
bryon
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jingo (what remains)
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3/19/2009 4:26:06 AM
Seems like everyone knows someone(s) that have committed suicide. In the case that personally touched me, it was senseless.
I have stood by the side of a loved one as they passed (NOT suicide, simply the end of the road). They lived full a full life and were ready to see what comes next. While very sad, I considered it an honor to be there, saw some true human beauty not unlike watching the births of my children (flip sides of the same coin?). In this particular case there was a tremendous amount of dignity and strength displayed. I know that sounds morbid, but it was what it was.
Western civilisation doesn't seem to have a very good "death ceremony". I have no idea how to act when I die. No joke - I wish there was some path to follow. When you know you are going to go, and are OK with it, why does everyone else freak out? We all do it (die) seems like we should have some plan or code to guide us.
Even if "death" takes years, seems like you could be better prepared. Stupid example: wear a Death Hat. When you have come to terms with your ending of days in this plane, put on the hat so that folks know you are ready. If someone in a Death Hat comes to say goodbye, celebrate it, wish them well on the journey, something like that. Come to terms with it, Pops is done here, he's going elsewhere - plus, don't make Pops feel bad, it's just his time, just as it will be yours some day. I know that is a goofy example, but I hope you can catch the drift. We all die, why is it so secretive and taboo?
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Vincenzo Pandolfi
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3/19/2009 10:48:24 AM
Life does not end, it just mutates in different forms...
...but we do!, or do we?
Does it matter anyway? As long as we are at peace with ourselves and the world, death is as natural as birth. It is the risk we take when we are born...
Vincenzo
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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3/20/2009 12:35:05 AM
tomorrow is here in NZ------------- now!
we are one day ahead of ewe!
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3/20/2009 4:18:17 AM
Hi Vartan... happy to know you're still breathing and that you survived the direction your thread took. Take care!! ;-)
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