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Tao Jones
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1/29/2010 4:42:01 PM
Harmonic Development
That's really where it's at for me these days. If you want to add dubs, add more instruments, more color, you really have to play harmonies to what is there. You can't just keep piling on the same chord with more instruments, hammering the root in there with each layer. That makes a heavy sludge, no lightness.
Jimmy Page playing the heaviest of heavy had incredible lift and lightness because his dubs are almost always harmonies stretching out further and further balancing there in their own space.
Many times I try to add instruments and find it is not making any good difference, just getting in the way of what was already there until I begin to really push the idea of harmony in the notes, not the same old note. Then suddenly they have their own complete space unhindered by the other instruments, making it all lighter.
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Bryon Tosoff
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1/29/2010 10:47:39 PM
Right on, I agree with you, although it seems that is what I have gotten away from it in my recent experimentation , but my whole writing thing from way back has been based upon strong melody lines and progressions in the instrumental aspect of things for piano more in the classical and easy listening, but kinda messing around with more rhythmic stuff of late, but know that is not really me...and need to go back to melody driven songs in the instrumentals , simplicity is where it is at and less is indeed more.....makes for more listenable compositions,like your point about page, good one
thanks for the post
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never never band
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1/29/2010 11:54:08 PM
Hey, I got link you might enjoy.
some of the kids in my class wanted to cover a couple steely dan tunes.
Trying to figure out how to voice those Fagan chords on a guitar led me to this link and I've had a real kick with it.
Of course you can really get the second in a guitar chord the same way, not always anyway, it's much more of a piano thing, but just listening and messing around I've got some great voicings for a few things.
Were doing Bodihsatva which sounds like a stright up G thing at first but then there's this great run of chords through the turn around that are really counter intuitive but they just sound gorgeous!
I'm all about Steely Dan this week, lots of good chord theory and harmonic niftiness to get from those cats.
the MU chord..and more
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Bryon Tosoff
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1/30/2010 12:10:23 AM
---- Updated 1/30/2010 12:26:30 AM
hey Scott that is a great link, thanks for that. yeah that is way cool even on the piana I used it doing Floyd Cramer riffs and in other aspects of playing those cool groovin sounds , Actually Steely Dan were one my all time fav players great session players who really learned their craft as studio cats..I think they made some of the best sounds. magical, think I should learn guitar and strum., done a bit, but should really get serious and it may improve my appreciation of music more and see how damn tough it is to play that thang you guys do.....heh
never too old to learn right
found this on my prospecting journey, I thought it was quite nice piece of guitar instrumental with other things going on........very mellow then drifts into sound big rich textures , found the listen pretty fine Brett Garsed - Friend Or Foe
best now and continue with your fine musicianship and playing you guys....thanks for the thoughts
bryon
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