8/26/2008 2:05:07 PM
Obama warns stations not to air ads about William Ayers..

8/25/2008 5:26:24 AM
Tensions boiling between the Clinton-Obama camps!

8/24/2008 8:05:06 PM
Joe Biden thought John Kerry should have picked John McCain to be his running mate..

8/23/2008 6:52:57 AM
Joe Biden officially endorses John McCain for president..

8/23/2008 6:30:02 AM
The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,’” -Joe Biden

8/21/2008 9:05:46 AM
Will Russia attack Polands missle defense system?

8/20/2008 5:33:00 PM
Smuggled video from Detroit's toughest bar

8/20/2008 4:24:37 AM
Obama's Campain Staff has a message for John McCain

8/24/2008 8:05:06 PM

Joe Biden thought John Kerry should have picked John McCain to be his running mate..

Interesting how much admiration and respect Joe Biden has demonstrated for John McCain over the years. Can't help but wonder if John McCain decided to name Joe Biden as his first choice for running mate also which camp Biden would stay in..

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73322

"In the latter of the two interviews, Biden even praised McCain's readiness to serve as president. Tim Russert suggested Biden eliminate McCain from consideration and recommend another VP choice, but Biden refused, citing the importance of the vice president being qualified to fill the president's shoes, if necessary.

"I'm sticking with McCain," Biden said. "I think the single most important thing that John Kerry has to do is … to say that makes sense, that guy could be president, or that woman could be president. I think that's the single most important thing for people, when he or she is announced, say that person could be president."

8/24/2008 8:14:35 PM

That was 4 years ago. Everybody knows McCain has become Bush's boy during the last few years. It's been said many times. John McCain has changed. He's not a maverick anymore.

8/24/2008 8:29:12 PM

Oh, they go back a lot farther that 4 years and Biden made these remarks about McCain in just the last 18 months I believe at the end of this video..

8/24/2008 8:31:20 PM

Do you really think McCain is a good candidate? He's obviously a war monger. He's obviously a Bush surrogate. He obviously has no clue about the economy. He's also been campaigning unethically, lying and going back on his word about negative campaigns.

Do you seeriously want him to be president?

8/24/2008 9:19:42 PM

McCain has a Laissez-faire approach to fixing the economy which has always seemed to work better than any central planning schemes as Obama endorses. The idea is minimal government interference and allowing market forces dictate how the economy will be restructured and become robust again.

Obama seeks to jump start it by creating a massive public works program that will focus largely on infrastructure which might be overdue but it seems largely reminiscent of the public work programs used to reinvigorate Germany's economy in the 30's. It'll mean increasing the money supply which will threaten inflation and further weaken the dollar. It could seem good for a few years though but it will expand govt. control of the economy which in the end will be our undoing since every centralized controlled economy has always left the people far worse off in the end, Eastern Europe and the Former USSR being good examples.

I'm not sure McCain is a war monger at all. Like some of my Russian friends used to get bent out of shape at US criticism of the way they were at times forced to deal with their internal problems and I finally got though to them that it was all hot air, they had to say what they what they said at times, the world being a stage and all and now they get it..

That being said, McCain will do a lot of posturing but I don't think he's anxious for any more wars. Iran is a big worry and McCain will defend our allies with decisive force if necessary.

In today's world leaders like McCain & Putin will do more to preserve the peace than an untested leaders who have failed to put anything really new and innovative on the table.

Global Pow Wows seem like a good idea and I tend to agree we should have open lines of communication with our enemies as well, I still think Sadamn Hussein could have been paid off and we could have had Iraq for a song rather than this costly war.. We knew were Bin Laden was before going into Afghanistan and now we can't find him. I'm not sure we belong there either, we shouldn't have interfered when the USSR was trying to stabilize that region, at least it wouldn't be our problem now.

If another Cold War happens it will be by design and probably make the world more secure for everyone. Putin's the right guy for that and for the immediate time being so is John McCain but who knows what's really going to happen..

8/25/2008 6:53:55 AM

A laissez faire approach to the economy is what got us where we are today.

Obama is both smarter and a lot more resourceful than other nominees of this era, he will get a lot done because he understands how to form working groups, witness his campaign and how they defeated a nominee with 1000 times the name recognition he had.

Anybody who names Petraus as the first person they would ask for advice from in being president has plans to be aggressive in war, everything McCain has said and done indicates that he sees himself as some kind of wartime commander.

8/25/2008 7:46:05 AM

OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!!!! Woooo hoooo!!!!

It's so great. You should come party with us Mr. Wonderful. First round's on me.

8/25/2008 8:20:39 AM

"McCain has a Laissez-faire approach to fixing the economy which has always seemed to work better than any central planning schemes as Obama endorses. The idea is minimal government interference and allowing market forces dictate how the economy will be restructured and become robust again."

That's just completely ridiculous, unsupported by any credible source whatsoever. Democratic administrations are BETTER for the economy, especially so for people on the bottom rungs of the ladder. I've already posted charts and explanations of this, go look it up. Oh, what the hell, here it is again.

8/25/2008 8:26:10 AM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 8:26:52 AM

You're all stupid, (Except Qelizabeth) but Holo is first in line..

" witness his campaign and how they defeated a nominee with 1000 times the name recognition he had."

Oh, it's been witnessed allright Holo..

"Did Sen. Barack Obama's campaign attempt to hide a paid working relationship with a radical leftist organization that has admitted to major financial improprieties and has been convicted in numerous major voter fraud scandals?

That question is being openly asked by the Republican National Committee after it was disclosed Obama's campaign paid more than $800,000 in services to Citizen Services Inc. (CSI), a nonprofit organization that is an offshoot of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. "

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73335

8/25/2008 8:34:35 AM

Google hits:

"robust republican economy" - 687,000

"robust democratic economy" - 1,800,000

Hey, there's your final authority on that subject

8/25/2008 8:35:59 AM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 8:43:11 AM

By the way, you're a Wonderfully insane retard. Full retard.


ACORN

Scientology

I'll let the reader judge their relative worth and which is a radical organization.

8/25/2008 8:42:46 AM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 8:50:32 AM

Mr. Dunderful. You specialize in questionable sources which are fringe publications and all your posts are about the cult of Obama attacks. You are obsessed with Obama in a negative way. I suspect you're a racist, to be honest.

I could start threads around articles like this, comparable to yours, McCain's suicide attempt and a medical condition that makes him having access to the button a definite worry, but it's just weak rhetoric.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm

Stick to the real issues.

8/25/2008 9:06:29 AM

I don't see World net Daily being fringe at all, they're equally critical of both party candidates and are a good source of news our mainstream media will not touch. Their sources are all verified and there just as respectable as any other news outlet, you friggin whackjob.

There's no doubt in my mind your someone from one of the former Eastern bloc nations who harbors a deep resentment to the USA cause now you have to get a real job rather than have the Party provide you with a comfortable life because you are so far out of step with what America is all about it's beyond belief.

And going from memory, Mrs John McCain supports about 50+ charities and her contributions are several times over what John McCain has contributed which amounts to about 5 million dollars in the last 15 years alone..

What have have you ever contributed to anyone Holo besides your ceaseless BS?

8/25/2008 9:10:32 AM

Got any more good one-liners about Rebbecca Riley you'd like to share Dan?

Funny stuff isn't it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/28/60minutes/main3308525.shtml

8/25/2008 3:09:46 PM

"Last July, ACORN settled what was described by the Washington Secretary of State as the "largest case of voter fraud in the state's history." Government prosecutors had filed felony charges against seven ACORN workers, who ended up receiving jail time.

Senior Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Stephen Hobbs said in the case the workers had admitted filling out registration forms with names they found in phone books. The ACORN canvassers filled out the forms while sitting around a table at the downtown Seattle Public Library, Hobbs said.

ACORN was also investigated in 2006 for submitting false voter registrations in St. Louis. Nearly 1,500 fraudulent voter registrations were identified in the case, which was tied to at least one campaign, that of Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo. Four ACORN workers were indicted in the case.

Also in 2006, four part-time ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City, Mo., for voter-registration fraud after being caught, fired and turned in by ACORN.

In January 2005, two Colorado ACORN workers were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations.

In Ohio in 2004, four ACORN employees were indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter-registration forms.

ACORN has been accused in multiple other voter fraud cases in other states. Some investigations are still pending."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73335

8/25/2008 3:15:57 PM

I just saw them interviewing a couple loonies like you outside the convention. They made such asses out of themselves. :>)

8/25/2008 4:56:47 PM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 5:00:07 PM

"The Washington Post

5 Scientologists Get Jail Terms for Conspiring to Rob, Bug and Spy on U.S.

By Timothy S. Robinson and Kenneth Bredemeier, Washington Post Writers

December 7, 1979, Friday, Final Edition

Five of the ranking leaders of the Church of Scientology, including the wife of the group's founder, were sentenced yesterday to prison terms of up to five years each for their roles in a massive criminal conspiracy to plant church spies in government agencies, steal government documents and bug at least one government meeting.

U.S. District Judge Charles R. Richey imposed the sentences in a day-long proceeding at the U.S. Courthouse here in which the defendants admitted their wrongdoing, but attempted to justify their act by contending they overreacted in response to what they perceived as government harassment of their religion.

Four other defendants will be sentenced today.

Richey took the unusual step of ordering the defendants immediately to begin serving their terms while their appeals of their convictions are pending. He said he was taking that step because the defendents' planned appeal of their conviction was frivolous, because of the substantial evidence against them, because they are from California and had no ties to the Washington community, and because they posed a danger to the community.

Only Mary Sue Hubbard, whose husband L. Ron Hubbard, founded the group approximately three decades ago, remained free after sentencing yesterday.

She was given a conditional five-year term and a $10,000 fine and was ordered to undergo a three-month study by the prison system before any final sentence is imposed. Richey said she could remain free for at least another 10 days because of unspecified health reasons."

"French Scientologists sentenced for fraud
Christian Century, Dec 15, 1999

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A former French Scientology official has been sentenced to two years in prison for fraud, along with four other Scientologists who received suspended sentences of six months to two years. Xavier Delamare, who formerly headed the controversial church's branch in the southern French city of Marseille, was sentenced November 15 in connection with a ten-year-old case in which he and the other four were found guilty of operating sham "purification" courses between 1987 and 1990."

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Scientology - Major Criminal Convictions

also see the timeline of Scientology criminality
1997

Italy: Criminal Association

A Milan appeal court has sentenced 29 members of the Church of Scientology to between nine and 20 months' jail for criminal association, the Corriere della Serra reported Saturday.

1996

France: Fraud and Murder

A Lyon court convicted 14 Scientologists of fraud. The former head of the Lyon Scientology organization was found guilty of manslaughter in the alleged suicide of Patrice Vic.

France: Interfering with a Witness

Three Scientologists were given suspended prison sentences for interfering with an expert witness in a Lyon trial. Charges of theft were proven.

1995

Canada: Libel

The Supreme Court orders Scientology to make the largest libel payment in Canadian history for defaming lawyer Casey Hill.

1994

United States: Frivolous Lawsuit

RTC (a Scientology corporation) fined $17,775 for filing a frivolous lawsuit. (Using the law to harass critics is Scientology policy.)

1992

Canada: Espionage

"In 1992, the Toronto branch was fined $250,000 for its role in espionage operations in the 1970s against the Ontario Attorney-General's Ministry, the Ontario Provincial Police and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. This criminal conviction of a church a rarity in legal history was upheld [in 1996] by the Ontario Court of Appeal."

- The Globe and Mail

1988

Spain: Fraud

Scientology executive Heber Jentzsch arrested for fraud. Scientology posts $1,000,000 bail to free him. Jentzsch's trial is slated to begin in June 1999.

1980

United States: Breaking and Entering, Stealing Government Documents

Mary Sue Hubbard and 11 other Scientologists convicted of breaking and entering, and stealing US government documents. [source: Washington Post, January 8, 1983]

1978

France: Fraud

L. Ron Hubbard found guilty of fraud, in absentia.

8/25/2008 5:07:15 PM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 5:08:17 PM

From: L'Unione Sarda, Nov. 9th 2004



Cagliari (Sardinia), Italy, nov. 9th, 2004 The case of the boy who committed suicide: a former Scientology executive sentenced to 4 ? years

He wasn't 20 yet but he's been living a nightmare for months: debts, forced to pay tens of millions [of old lira] to an executive of the Mission of Scientology. Desperate, he jumped from the window. Suicide. This was how this tragedy was filed at first. But then the case was reopened, ending in a new investigation and in the trial against an affiliate and now ex executive of Scientology: yesterday Giorgio Carta, 41, was found guilty of extortion against his cousin Roberto Deplano, the boy who committed suicide on Feb. 18th, 1997. He will serve a 4? term.

This was the decision the Court chaired by Mr. Judge Sette took yesterday, ending a vicissitude started 7 years ago. A case that caused a stir. Judges decided for a punishment havier than the one suggested by the prosecutor, who asked for a 4 yrs term.

SCIENTOLOGY / L. RON HUBBARD GOVERNMENTAL OFFENSE TIMELINE

Below are actual convictions of some governmental offense by L. Ron Hubbard or the Church of Scientology or someone acting in their capacity as a member of the Church of Scientology. Also below are currently outstanding criminal cases not yet completed, such as someone out on bail pending trial or a warrant for their arrest.

1943 Hubbard found guilty of violating Navy rules when he fires his ship's guns toward Mexican territory. Relieved of command. [source: Hubbard's Naval records]

1948, Aug. 17 Hubbard pleads guilty to petty theft. [source: photocopy of government records]

197? US FDA settles with the church, requiring that the e-meter be clearly labelled that it cannot be used for physical healing as the church had been claiming.

1978 Hubbard found guilty in absentia of fraud in France. [source: Catholic Sentinal, March 17, 1978]

1978 March. Arthur Maren, Church spokesperson, released from prison after 8 months for refusing to cooperate with an FBI investigation about the church. [source: Los Angeles Times March 31, 1978]

1980 Mary Sue Hubbard and 11 other Scientologists convicted of breaking and entering, and stealing US government documents. [source: Washington Post, January 8, 1983]

1988 Heber Jentzsch arrested in Spain along with many other Scientologists for fraud. Heber still out on $1 million bail put up by the church. [source: Arizona Republic, September 22, 1988]

1994 May 24. RTC attorney Helena Kobrin and the law firm of Bowles and Moxon fined $17,775 for filing a frivolous lawsuit. [source: RTC v. Frank Gerbode (current transfer binder) RICO Bus. Disp. Guide (CCH) par. 8595 (C.D. Cal. May 2, 1994) US District Court Central District of California case # 93-2226 AWT, Judge A. Wallace Tashima

1994 a warrant is issued forthe arrest of Eugene Ingram, Scientology private investigator, for impersonating a police officer. The warrant is still valid and Ingram has chosen not to go back to Florida to straighten this out. [source: copy of warrant]

1996, November. the former head of the Lyon France church convicted of manslaughter for pushing a Scientologist toward suicide. 14 others convicted of fraud and other charges.

Desertphile gave this follow-up answer on 5/30/2000:

Convictions

1999: Greece: Scientologists found guilty. 15 Scientologists were accused of systematically keeping files on politicians, journalists, judges, clergymen and other Greek leading personalities. The Scientologists were found guilty , but they were not sentenced, due to procedural errors. (In other words, they got off on a technicality.) In 1998, a judge ordered the Scientology organization in Athens to stop operating, since the organization was established under false pretenses . According to the ruling, the organization was not operating as a non-profit, and was putting people's mental and physical health at risk.

1997: Italy: Scientologists jailed. 29 Scientologists were sentenced to jail for criminal association .

1996: France: Scientology executive found guilty of involuntary homicide. "A former Church of Scientology leader was convicted Friday of involuntary homicide and sentenced to 18 months in prison in the 1988 suicide of a church member. Twelve other defendants facing lesser charges - theft, complicity or abuse of confidence - were given suspended sentences of eight to 15 months each. Charges were dropped against 10 others." The Scientologists were charged in the death of Patrice Vic .

1996: France: Scientologists guilty of interfering with a witness. Three Scientologists were given suspended prison sentences for interfering with an expert witness in a Lyon trial. Charges of theft were proven.

1995: Canada: Scientology pays the largest libel award in Canadian history. Scientology was found guilty of libelling Casey Hill, the prosecutor responsible for bringing Scientology to justice for its egregious illegal acts in Canada.

1994: USA: Scientology fined for filing a frivolous lawsuit. Helena Kobrin, representing RTC (a Scientology corporation), was fined $17,775 for filing a frivolous lawsuit . (Using the law to harass critics is Scientology policy.)

1992: Canada: Scientology found guilty of breach of the public trust. Scientology itself and three Scientology executives were found guilty of breach of public trust in a case involving the theft of information from government offices.

1989: USA: Scientology Found Guilty of Inflicting Emotional Distress. In 1986, former Scientologist Larry Wollersheim sued Scientology for intentional infliction of emotional distress. The jury awarded him $35,000,000, which was reduced on appeal to $2,500,000. Scientology refuses to pay, and now owes Larry more than twice that (with interest accruing).

The appeals court agreed that Larry had been badly hurt by Scientology: it found that Scientology "coerced Wollersheim into continued participation," "seized Wollersheim and held him captive," and that "the Church's conduct was manifestly outrageous." In October 1997, the court found that the Church of Scientology International and Religious Technology Center are liable for the debt

1984: USA: Clearwater Police Investigator Recommends RICO Charges. Lt. Ray Emmons investigated Scientology as part of his duties. He found clear evidence of fraud and other crimes and recommended that federal and state authorities prosecute Scientology under anti-racketeering laws.

1980: USA: Top-ranking Scientologists guilty of burglary, forgery, infiltration, and obstruction of justice. Eleven Scientology executives, including L. Ron Hubbard's wife, pled guilty to a number of serious crimes. The stipulation of evidence included the following statement: "At all times material to the indictment, L. Ron Hubbard was, by virtue of his role as the founder and leader or Scientology, overall supervisor of the Guardian's Office."

1979: USA: Julie Christofferson Titchbourne sues Scientology for fraud. Julie Christofferson Titchbourne sued Scientology for fraud and outrageous conduct. She won her original trial and the first appeal; Scientology appealed a second time but settled with Julie before that appeal was heard.

1978: France: Fraud. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard was convicted of fraud in a trial held in absentia.

8/25/2008 5:10:48 PM

Judicial statements regarding the Nature of Scientology

"Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill... (Scientology is) the world's largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy." --Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia

"The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them... There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of Scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth." --Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health

"The crime committed by these defendants is of a breadth and scope previously unheard of. No building, office, desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lock picks, secret codes, forged credentials and any other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes." --Federal prosecutor's memorandum to the judge urging stiff jail sentences for 9 top leaders of Scientology who had pleaded guilty to criminal charges

"Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionly and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others." --Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London

"[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories... and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect.... The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard." --Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court

"In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights, the organization over the years with its 'fair game' doctrine has harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives as enemies." --Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the Gerry Armstrong case

"In January 1980, fearing a raid by law enforcement agencies, Hubbard's representatives ordered the shredding of all documents showing that Hubbard controlled Scientology organizations, finances, personnel, or the property at Gilman Hot Springs. In a two week period, approximately one million pages were shredded pursuant to this order." --California appellate court, 2nd. district, 3rd. division, July 29, 1991, B025920 & B038975, Super. Ct. No. C 420153

"It is common knowledge among senior executives of the organization and it is the policy of CSC that members of the Boards of Directors are mere figureheads, without authority or control, not for internal corporate reasons, but rather to vest control in Mr. Hubbard. I have personal knowledge that in order to carry out this corporate fraud, organizational executives have engaged in the various unethical practices including backdating phony Board minutes and forging signatures." --Affidavit of Gerry Armstrong, former member

"When a person is subjected to coercive persuasion [as in Scientology] without his knowledge or consent ...[he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide." --California Supreme Court, United States v. Lee [455 U.S. 252,257,258 (1982)]

"Substantial evidence supports the conclusion Scientology leaders made the deliberate decision to ruin Wollersheim economically and possible psychologically....We do not mean to suggest Scientology's retributive program... represented a full scale modern day 'inquisition.' Nevertheless there are some parallels in purpose and effect. 'Fair game,' like the 'inquisition,' targeted heretics. "Other testimony established Scientology is a hierarchal organization which exhibits near paranoid attitudes toward certain institutions and individuals -- in particular the government, mental health professions, disaffected members, and others who criticize the organization or its leadership... During trial, Wollersheim's experts testified Scientology's 'auditing' and 'disconnect' practices constituted 'brainwashing' and 'thought reform' akin to what the Chinese and North Koreans practiced on American prisoners of war... "Using its position as religious leader, the church and its agents coerced Wollersheim into continuing auditing even though his sanity was repeatedly threatened by this practice... Thus there is adequate proof the religious practice in this instance caused real harm to the individual and the appellant's outrageous conduct caused that harm... Church practices conducted in a coercive environment are not qualified to be voluntary religious practices entitled to first amendment religious freedom guarantees... "We hold that the state has a compelling interest in allowing its citizens to recover for serious emotional injuries they suffer through religious practices they are coerced into accepting. Such conduct is too outrageous to be protected under the constitution and too unworthy to be privileged under the law of torts." -California appellate court, 2nd district, 7th division, Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology of California, Civ. No. B023193 Cal. Super. (1986)

8/25/2008 5:20:31 PM

I think you would come across much more coherently Holo if you just stuck to posting Scientology spam like your comrade is doing..

That way no one will see this..

"
The Obama campaign's payments to CSI – first reported by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review – raise questions about the nature of Obama's current relationship with ACORN. Obama has been closely linked with the radical group and may have even helped drive large amount of money to the organization.

According to FEC records reviewed by the Tribune-Review, the Obama campaign paid CSI $832,598.29, from Feb. 25 to May 17, including $564,342.21 for "stage, lighting and sound."

That payment immediately stood out after a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger contacted CSI Director Sunday Alabi, who also serves as an ACORN leader. Alabi said CSI doesn't perform stage, lighting or sound services."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73335

Obama met numerous times in recent months with ACORN leaders.

Sam Graham-Felson, Obama's official website blogger, noted when Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Project Vote was connected to ACORN.

"I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work," Obama told ACORN members in November.

8/25/2008 5:27:55 PM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 5:31:47 PM

You ARE Scientology spam.

You're increasingly ridiculous, portraying ACORN, an altruistic organization devoted to the rights of the poor, an underserved political element if there ever was one, as "radical". If it's radical to you to support poor peoples' rights, then you ARE full retard.

8/25/2008 7:42:54 PM ---- Updated 8/25/2008 7:49:12 PM

Where did I ever say ACORN doesn't to alot of good for people Doug? I'm sure they do but they obviously don't screen all the people they hire very well..

8/25/2008 7:56:45 PM

Seems Michelle Malkin has a few thoughts she would like to share with you Doug about ACORN as well..

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/07/acorn-watch-voter-fraud-and-mortgage-scams-on-your-dime/

" Criminal investigations could be launched against at least six voter registration workers who tried to add dead, imprisoned or imaginary people to the voter rolls, according to the Milwaukee Election Commission and the organization that employed them.

Officials are reviewing some 200 to 300 fraudulent voter registration cards, Sue Edman, the commission’s executive director, said Wednesday.

And even though the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now caught the fraud and reported it before the cards were turned in, the incident revived a four-year-old partisan debate over the integrity of Wisconsin’s voter registration process, as political groups step up efforts to sign up voters for the Nov. 4 presidential election.

“One woman called us to complain because her husband has been dead for 10 years and a voter registration was submitted,” Edman said.

In about 12 cases, deputy registrars paid by ACORN were “making people up or registering people that were still in prison,” said Carolyn Castore, ACORN’s state political director.

And in other cases, workers used the same address for numerous voters or used driver’s license numbers that did not fit the voters’ birth dates, Edman said. But most of the fraud involved submitting duplicate cards for voters who were already registered, and forging the voters’ signatures, Castore said.

ACORN found the problems and fired a dozen workers, Castore said. Five of them appeared to be working together, she added."

8/25/2008 9:25:15 PM

I used to not mind reading the political discussions here but cut/paste maniacs should have some kind of self awareness how grotesquely unsociable the state of your discussions are becoming. Wake up, indulgent boorish ones.

8/25/2008 9:27:04 PM

Stop making fun of my art.

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