9/7/2008 4:51:26 AM
The Drudge Report - Oprah refuse to have Sarah Palin on her show till the election is over??? Huh?

9/6/2008 7:14:47 PM
Biden, Iraq, and Obama's Betrayal..

9/6/2008 1:12:59 PM
The greatest cover band - Nouvelle Vague

9/6/2008 12:58:09 PM
So Toby. will we be getting a yuku type forum soon???

9/5/2008 6:07:29 AM
John McCain's speech last night..

9/4/2008 6:48:31 AM
Sarah Palin's great speech last night

9/4/2008 4:35:49 AM
What doyou think of putting Sarah Palin on Mt. Rushmore?

9/6/2008 7:14:47 PM ---- Updated 9/6/2008 7:25:25 PM

Biden, Iraq, and Obama's Betrayal..
You got some splainin to be doin here Holo..

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5492

"Incipient Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s selection of Joseph Biden as his running mate constitutes a stunning betrayal of the anti-war constituency who made possible his hard-fought victory in the Democratic primaries and caucuses.

The veteran Delaware senator has been one the leading congressional supporters of U.S. militarization of the Middle East and Eastern Europe, of strict economic sanctions against Cuba, and of Israeli occupation policies.

Most significantly, however, Biden, who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the lead-up to the Iraq War during the latter half of 2002, was perhaps the single most important congressional backer of the Bush administration’s decision to invade that oil-rich country. "



"Biden Shepherds the War Authorization

It is difficult to over-estimate the critical role Biden played in making the tragedy of the Iraq war possible. More than two months prior to the 2002 war resolution even being introduced, in what was widely interpreted as the first sign that Congress would endorse a U.S. invasion of Iraq, Biden declared on August 4 that the United States was probably going to war. In his powerful position as chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he orchestrated a propaganda show designed to sell the war to skeptical colleagues and the America public by ensuring that dissenting voices would not get a fair hearing."

9/6/2008 7:27:49 PM

If you're going to post something to me, why not do it on my thread so we don't clog up the front page as IAC has asked? Why not show a little consideration so we can continue these discussions on the front page?

Here's your answer to the Biden thing, which is basically your same MO of posting some skewed tome from some odd source.

2002: On Authorizing the Iraq War
Biden was among the 77 senators (and among the 23 Democrats) who voted to authorize war on Iraq[/link] on Oct. 11, 2002. He : “The President has not asked us to go to war. He has said he wants the power to be able to go to war. It seems completely consistent with that request that we say: Yes, Mr. President, you have that power to go to war; you can do that within 1 year. If, in fact, you go to war in 1 year, you can extend that one year. Let me put it this way. If we are two years down the road still fooling around with Iraq, then my friends from Connecticut and other places have been so dead wrong about what we are supposed to do that it would be amazing.”

But Biden was also cautious, and opposed to using the authorization for war as an endorsement for President Bush’s doctrine of pre-emptive strikes:

“I find myself supporting this resolution but worried that supporting this resolution will get us into real trouble. What we have here, I argue, as the rationale for going after Saddam, is that he signed a cease-fire agreement. The condition for his continuing in power was the elimination of his weapons of mass destruction, and the permission to have inspectors in to make sure he had eliminated them. He expelled those inspectors. So he violated the cease-fire; ergo, we have authority--not under a doctrine of preemption. This will not be a preemptive strike, if we go with the rest of the world. It will be an enforcement strike.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I got a question for you now, Diver Dan, what do you think about McCain cheating on and abandoning his first wife after she got into a crippling car accident? Imagine leaving your wife and 3 kids after she broke both legs. He is obviously a despicable person.

9/6/2008 7:41:36 PM

Not according to his x-wife he isn't Holo. Sounds like they were both dealt a cruel hand at a young age but he has has taken care of her for her entire life. Sounds like the breakup was fairly amicable according to her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/john-mccains-first-wife-s_n_106021.html

"Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. 'I have no bitterness,'

she says. 'My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn't the reason for my divorce.

'My marriage ended because John McCain didn't want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does."

9/6/2008 7:50:15 PM

She also endorces him for president Holo..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_McCain

"Despite the divorce, Carol McCain has remained on good terms with John McCain,[25] and has supported him in all his subsequent political campaigns.[1] She refused to discuss her marriage with an election opponent of McCain's in 1982 who was seeking negative information about him, telling the opponent that "a gentleman never would have called."[32] She supports her ex-husband's 2008 presidential campaign, and told The Mail on Sunday in June 2008 that she was not bitter and that, "He’s a good guy. We are still good friends. He is the best man for president."

9/6/2008 8:13:05 PM

This could be interesting ...

Have at it ...

K-

9/6/2008 8:18:27 PM

I'm quite sure she is getting a nice payoff. That does nothing to change what he did. The fact is, at the time she was very hurt, and their mutual friends The Reagans for a time broke relations with John because of what he did to her.

So Diver Dan, are you saying it's ok to abandon a crippled wife with 3 kids?

9/6/2008 8:49:39 PM ---- Updated 9/6/2008 8:50:53 PM

No I didn't say that but it's interesting to note she was married earlier before her marriage to John and 2 of their 3 children were adopted from her first marriage. He provided for them as well as her and she remarried after her divorce with John. They're still close and she endorses John for president.. I think that all that really needs to be said on the matter.

Funny how McCain & Palin's personal lives are being smeared by these type of allegations. Seems if the press really wanted to find dirt they might try the other ticket but since I think people's privacy should be respected, I guess it's best not to go there now isn't it Holo?

9/6/2008 9:59:59 PM

I find it humorous that you would even use the word smear when that's all you did when you showed up here, was smear Obama about rumors you heard about his family. The difference is the Obama references were just rumors and the McCain and Palin references are factual.

9/7/2008 3:53:06 AM

Holo says:

"I find it humorous that you would even use the word smear when that's all you did when you showed up here, was smear Obama about rumors you heard about his family. The difference is the Obama references were just rumors and the McCain and Palin references are factual."

Where have I done that Holo?

Show me one example where I've done that..

9/7/2008 6:39:53 AM

Looks like you may have to flip-flop soon on your support for Biden Holo as there is serious talk that he may be dropped from the ticket in favor of Hilary..

"Case in point: Sarah Palin’s speech attracted as many TV viewers as Barack Obama’s despite the fact Palin’s speech was not shown on four channels that carried Obama’s: BET, TV One, Univision and Telemundo.

Nearly 2 million more women were watching Palin than men, Nielsen said.

Viewers were far more interested in Palin than Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden. Biden’s speech to Democrats last week was seen by an estimated 24 million people."

http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/04/dump-biden-death-watch-commences/

9/7/2008 9:39:19 AM

Serious? Really?

A quick google didn't turn up an iota from reputable press on the first three pages in ...

I don't pay any attention to fringe mongers.

If respected press make no mention, how serious could it be?

Kev-

9/7/2008 12:05:43 PM ---- Updated 9/7/2008 12:09:51 PM

It's very serious in the fact choosing Biden will likely cost cost Obama the entire South which will cost the Democrats the election. (It's a Southener-Yankee thing and I have that on very good authority..)

Also, women are overwhelmingly leaning towards Palin, especially the working class which Obama squandered with his "clinging to guns-religion" put-down when he thought they wouldn't hear him say, this will not be forgotten.

And last.., nothing will enhance Palin's favorable ratings especially among women if she keeps getting mistreated the way she has. There will always be the leftist loonies that can only support a woman as nutty as themselves but women as a whole will not stand by so silently on election day if Palin keeps getting raked over the coals as the media is doing to her, this will only add substantially to her support.

She drew over 40 million viewers, the most ever to witness a speech in this country. SHE is going to carry McCain to victory in this election if Obama doesn't reshuffle his deck real soon.

9/7/2008 12:55:45 PM ---- Updated 9/7/2008 1:23:23 PM

Nothing of fact will be known until after all the votes are counted.

So, because there is no serious talk about replacing Biden, what should have been stated is:

"In my opinion, there should be serious talk."

Others, obviously, may not share the same opinion.

Best,

Kev-

9/7/2008 1:48:07 PM

Looks like the Dems might just replace the whole ticket now.., who know how this will float...

9/7/2008 1:58:26 PM

More dumb gotcha stuff from the fringes. Diver Dip, you are just a Obama hater. Like the Republicans you can't win on the issues cause you have none so it's all garbage like this.

By the way I found out about Diver Dan from a fellow IACer. He's known far and wide for being a flaming lunatic who posts hundreds of wacky posts about Scientology and the medical profession and doesn't even care if he makes sense.

9/7/2008 2:08:38 PM ---- Updated 9/7/2008 2:10:14 PM

It's his problem Holo, not mine, I'd prefer a clean presidential campaign and stuff like this didn't happen but there's gonna be some fallout from this. There's nothing wrong having a Muslim father and being born into a Muslim family in a Muslim culture, that's about 1/4th of the world. And I would think having a background in 2 faiths would be a strength rather than a weakness.

It might have been just a tired response, a mistake, who knows? But these type of moments don't help his case. We will have a Muslim president in this country one day soon, and Hindu, Jewish and a woman, it's coming as it should. But you have to be honest about this stuff.

9/7/2008 4:41:01 PM

Holo says By the way I found out about Diver Dan from a fellow IACer. He's known far and wide for being a flaming lunatic who posts hundreds of wacky posts about Scientology and the medical profession and doesn't even care if he makes sense.

So you were "investigating" Diver Dan were you Holo? Asking around about him. Kinda like the way you did with Loren when he opposed you as well and you couldn't debate his points either. So just smear the guy instead (exactly what you're accusing of the McCain campaign doing to Obama - which you were doing for 6 months straight to McCain, now Palin the "airhead" as you claim).

Should Diver Dan be calling you a "stalker" right about now? Your hypocrisy is almost surreal.

Lucky for you, they're not anons like yourself, makes the "investigation" a little easier when there's a real identity there (and you have people behind the scenes here feeding you info on your rivals too Mr. "Made" Man). Great set up.

Unfortunately, they don't have that same advantage with you (you being an anon).

But, I'm sure you know that and exploit that to the fullest.

9/7/2008 5:00:04 PM

Saphire, I've seen this play before. Holo is not as anonymous to everyone as you think and it's no accident that a moderator and a member of upper management seem to miss the abuses that are so obvious to everyone.

That's because Holo is a creation of upper management at IAC and there are several people playing his role.

It's an old ruse and a very stale one too. Holo doesn't exist. Some of the people who run this place have a long history of playing these type of charades and that's all that's what's really happening here.

9/8/2008 8:18:07 AM

It's interesting to note that Obama was laying one of his usual traps for the McCain camp during his interview with George Stephanopoulos blaming McCain for being behind various rumors about him. After about third time Stephanopoulos corrected him by accurately stating McCain's camp had made no such allegations that's when the slip-up happened, so Obama got caught in the very trap he was setting for McCain in a sense..

But at least he's admitting now taxing the wealthy will hurt the economy and he regrets his non-answer on the question of when life begins.., yeah.

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