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jingo (what remains)
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3/20/2009 4:09:55 AM
Black Sabbath's "Forbidden" is not that bad, is it?
*boring, uncalled for background alert*
Several months ago I concocted a lil' "structured listening" project for myself (because I am a dork and fond of such nonsense). The idea was to revisit the incestious relationship between Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, throwing in some Uriah Heep, Led Zeppelin and early Who and Judas Priest along the way to look at some of the foundations of "metal" or heavy music as opposed to other rock / pop forms - looking for how you get from the summer of love to the NWOBHM and punk. Yes, it is dumb, but I had fun, I am a simpleton (Thank you, God).
ANYWAY - as part of this project I got my hands on (bought, borrowed, or *ahem* otherwise acquired) all of the Sab / Purple studio albums that I didn't have. I read a lot of reviews, the albums that were generally poorly reviewed were the last to be tracked down. One of these was Sabbath's last studio album (unless the new Dio one has been released, anyone?) FORBIDDEN. Many reviewers felt it was the worst album EVER (like anyone can even know that), many more thought it was Sabbath's low point. All I could remember about it was that when it came out "Illusion of Power" was on the radio a little bit. I had given up on Sabbath after the Dio era (I did buy Dehumanizer, though) so I didn't know much. or care, about the Tony Martin era (crap, dude - get to the point).
ALL RIGHT THEN - point is that Forbidden is not that bad. I think it might be among the best of the Martin era. I even think it may be better than Mob Rules or Technical Ecstacy (another oft slagged record). On a related note, Born Again is OK, but I think if Gillan had stuck around and had his heart in it he could have become at least the #2 BS voxman (all props to RJD, but he ain't IG).
CRUX OF THE BISCUIT (finally) - what albums that are generally slagged do you think are "better than OK"? Or, if you prefer, what band is oft dumped on that doesn't deserve such harsh treatment? Throw rocks if you want (I probably live a LONG way from you so I ain't scared) but I WILL LISTEN TO KISS ALBUMS UP TO AND INCLUDING LOVE GUN. IN PUBLIC. Riot is kick ass. Nugent's "Free for All", UFO "Strangers in the NIght". So there.
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Psyche's Muse
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3/22/2009 1:48:38 PM
My favorite Sabbath album is Sabotage. As for unheralded groups, I thought Captain Beyond was pretty cool. And the Scorpions earlier stuff was really great! When their lead guitarist, Roth, left the group they went down-hill musically, but got popular. A similar thing happened with Judas Priest. I really enjoyed the early albums Sad Wings Of Destiny and Sin after Sin. It was only when they got all "cookie-cutter" that they became popular. And then there's Tommy Bolin. His "Private Eyes" album has some great cuts. I am also fond of Aphrodite's Child album 666 which was written by Vangelis... very cool! -M-
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3/22/2009 2:36:38 PM
Tony Martin has a page here, he actually posts on the pipeline
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jingo (what remains)
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3/22/2009 5:14:13 PM
I am right here with you on the early Scorps, listening to Lonesome Crow makes you wonder how they ever wound up "rocking you like a hurricane".
I have been trying to get my head wrapped around JP's "Nostradamus". At first, I really hated it, now I am just puzzled by it, maybe starting to appreciate it for what it is. It has a lot more in common with Sad Wings than Painkiller.
If you haven't heard it before, there is a recording of Sabbath's 1975 tour supporting the Sabotage album posted at Wolfgang's Vault
http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/black-sabbath-concert/20049642-745.html
If you look around, there is also a Deep Purple show with Tommy Bolin fronting the band (Come taste the Band) posted there.
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TONY MARTIN (ex Black Sabbath vocalist)
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3/22/2009 7:04:32 PM
I have read all your posts....
Have a nice day!
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jingo (what remains)
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3/22/2009 9:28:06 PM
Wow, did NOT expect that! I went to the Tony Martin page. I listened to the two tracks, liked them so I went to Amazon and got the CD. I thought I would give thanks to Time for the tip (thanks, FT).
I did not expect that while I am sitting around listening to Tony Martin, Tony Martin is typing at me. Bizarre, ain't it?
And by the way, although it may not be clear from the original post, I am a fan of the Martin era. When those albums were being released the only Sabbath that even MIGHT be played in my radio market was Iron Man (maybe Sweet Leaf). So at the time I had no paticular knowledge of what was going on with Eternal Idol or Tyr. When Dehumanizer came along there was much ado about the return of RJD, so I bought it (it was OK, sounds like a Dio album though, and I had enough of Dio at that point).
It wasn't until recently that I listened to the latter day albums, I am now a fan. Kiss of Death (on Forbidden) should be on EVERY Black Sabbath playlist, Cross Purposes is an excellent album throughout, etc. I didn't mean to come across as a Martin hatin' guy - just making the point that Forbidden doesn't get the credit it deserves.
BTW, Scream is very good. Martin sounds great, Geoff Nichols is given room to "do something" for a change. Good stuff!
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3/22/2009 10:40:50 PM
Sabbath's "Sabotage" is awesome. It's either "Meglomaniac" or "The Writ" from that album is my fav. About a 9 minute song, heavy as hell... halfway through breaks into this soft harpsichord bridge. Amazing. Just something you don't expect from them.
Also the song "It's Alright" from Technical Ectstasy - a ballad sung by their drummer Bill Ward.
Their CD Sabbath Bloody Sabbath being a masterpiece of course.
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