6/6/2009 8:31:12 PM
Age of Persistent Sound and Vision

5/20/2009 6:02:46 AM
genaral public = dopes?

5/20/2009 2:18:38 AM
Essential / influencial 60s

5/2/2009 6:28:34 AM
long attention span theater

4/1/2009 4:47:25 AM
Jesse Adams

3/20/2009 4:09:55 AM
Black Sabbath's "Forbidden" is not that bad, is it?

3/19/2009 2:35:29 AM
had any experience with "whole house" streaming set ups?

3/17/2009 2:27:38 AM
tell me what I should be listening to, I might just do it (if I am not real busy, anyway)

5/20/2009 2:18:38 AM

Essential / influencial 60s
Hello there musical genius! Is that a new haircut, didja lose a few pounds or something? You look awesome and I really loved that last thing you did - really loved that thing. I have a favor to ask....

I am trying to beef up my music collection in the 60s department, it's a little skimpy. I have a wild eyed dream of creating more of a "library" than a collection of stuff (pompous jackass?) so I am trying to be a bit more structured and selective on what I buy. Primarily I would like to be able to trace the rise of "rock" music, very loosely defined.

I was born in the early sixties, but I barley remember them because I was busy crying and pooping my pants (which I am looking forward to enjoying again here in the next few years, as soon as I get the last kid out of the house it will be Depends time, baby HELL YEAH).

What I am looking for is the kind of music that was born from Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis and then grew up to be the 70s. Stuff that had the seeds of modern rock - stuff that influenced modern musicians. At first I was going to just google up a list, or check wikipedia for artisits that influenced artists, working backwards til I arrived at the proper decade. I checked the beer fridge and saw that I am simply not provisioned for such an expedition right now. At first I was kinda bummed - but then I HAD AN IDEA (!!!!)

Seems to me that there are a bucketfull of actual MUSICIANS here, many of whom I believe may have ACTUALLY BEEN INFLUENCED by the 60s or at the very least have a much deeper knowledge and understanding of musical history than I do. From reading this forum for a few months and clicking around to listen I would guess that there is a very high level of expertise on this subject - if I could I would like to borrow a cup or two.

Basically I am looking for influencial / important / or just kick ass albums released between 1960 and 1969. Best case scenario is that these albums are reasonably easy to obtain in the CD format - but I will take any advice I can get. Don't worry if you think that something is "too obvious" (except for Beatles, Stones, Floyd. Hendrix or Deep Purple - I got that covered) beacause I am a dumbass - what is obvious to you will prolly be a revelation to me.

Any help appreciated, most sincere.


TIA.


I really loved whatever that last thing you did was, it was bad ass.

5/20/2009 2:46:33 AM ---- Updated 5/20/2009 2:48:49 AM

I have a few ... but will give others a chance here and just list two must have albums IMO.

from 1966 ... Sunshine Superman by Donovan
and from 1967 ... Surrealistic Pillow by Jefferson Airplane

I'll give you some more later if no one pipes up ...

Peace
Sam

5/20/2009 2:59:08 AM

absolute must get picks from the era....

The complete Iron butterfly - In A Gadda Vida for the seriously heavy and creative flow days, Sergios Mendez & Brazil 66 for the lighthearted days, and Led Zeppelin's - Led Zeppelin for the I'm not foolin round, get it done days.

5/20/2009 3:14:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEqLh4-Ouck&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aWFaZgwerY "Where Is My Mind?" is another fun song.

5/20/2009 3:44:17 AM

See - this is why I need people to help my dumb ass!

Sam - spot on. The genesis of this whole idea revolves around Jefferson Airplane's Pillow, it's on my list of things to do. Donovan was a real head slap, that is exactly what I am talking about.

The Unicorn offered another headslap with Iron Butterfly, I should have squared that away long ago. I will look into the "lighthearted" stuff. As for Zep, I got that covered - same with Sabs and Heeps, it's covered. Iron Butterfly is a gaping hole.

Steve April's Buffalo Springfield and Vanilla Fudge are two perfect examples. Thanks.

What about 60 to 65? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

5/20/2009 3:53:29 AM

Well I'll give you just a few more in the late '60's range ... and then go earlier on my next post ... although one of these was done in '65

Mr. Fantasy by Traffic ... 1967
Vincebus Eruptum by Blue Cheer ... 1968
Steppenwolf by Steppenwolf ... 1968

For a surprise with no hits try ... Undead by Ten Years After ... 1968 it's a masterful album of seven minute jams ... Alvin Lee Rocks ...

Also The Moody Blues put out these five albums between 1965 and 1969 ... They are one of my favorite bands and get way too little love ... I have all of these and they are all great albums but I'd have to say the 3rd is my favorite ...

1. The Magnificent Moodies
2. Days of Future Passed
3. In Search of the Lost Chord
4. On the Threshold of a Dream
5. To Our Children's Children's Children

5/20/2009 4:15:42 AM

Sam (and any others that might give a shite) - do you ever visit Wolfgang's Vault? If not, give it a try - they sell memorabilia (nice stuff if you have the bux) AND have an extensive archive of live recordings that you can stream free of charge. There is a very bad ass Traffic show (actually several are there) posted there:

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/traffic-concert/1374-8200.html

There are a LOT of great shows archived there, all completely legal - the artists get paid and the whole stroke (at least that is the claim - check it out).

If anybody gives half a rat's ass about Black Sabbath (at all) you gotta hear
http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/black-sabbath-concert/20049642-745.html

I haven't been over there in a while, looks like they have a Sab's Technical Ecstacy tour show up that I haven't heard.

Anyway - slightly off topic but it's my MF topic anyhow. If you haven't scrounged around Wolfgang's it is well worth the time. I have the Traffic Fillmore East 11/18/1970 cranked now (thanks to MWNB) and it's a killer.

5/20/2009 4:19:27 AM ---- Updated 5/20/2009 4:27:23 AM

Check out the band 'Spirit'. There's two album from '68: "Spirit" and "The Family that Plays Together". While you're at it, check out 1970's "The 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus". They were WAY ahead of their time. Jimmy Paige lists them as one of his influences for Zepplin.

This is the only thing I found on YouTube (filmed in 68 or 69):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ELl0JuMNE

Another band was the Turtles, who wrote a bunch of top 10 hits and then went on to be Flo and Eddie and were part of The Mothers of Invention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhOq5bBqB4

5/20/2009 4:27:22 AM ---- Updated 5/20/2009 4:47:57 AM

All great post here ... takes me back ...

Yeah Jingo, I think it was Larree that turned me on to Wolfgang's Vault ... I go there some and will definitely check out your suggestions ...

One of these days I'm going to get around to converting all my albums over to CD ... but it might just take the rest of my life as I have thousands of Lp's ...

Before I give you some early albums I'll just bring up one name here that should be in everyone's collection ... Lightnin' Hopkins

BTW ... I have 5 Sabbath albums in my collection ...They pissed me off in 1980 by canceling the show I had tickets for in Kansas ... but I broke down and bought a ticket for the 1981 show anyway ... :)

5/20/2009 4:33:22 AM

well alright then, on that note: Lead Belly, Robert Johnson

5/20/2009 4:54:27 AM

Well - there are two Lightnin' Hopkins shows at Wolfgang's. And my dear lonely mythical horse: both your guys were stone cold dead by the time the 60s rolled around. No matter, though, I will take it under advisement - while I have never heard them, I have heard OF them (like Motorhead "we're the ones you heard of but you never heard"). I am also sorely lacking in "roots" stuff so I truly appreciate your advice there.

I wikied sly's Spirit and am so intrigued that (if I can find one or two more beers or concoct a shaker of martinis) I might pull the trigger on that right now, assuming I can find some downloads to buy somewhere as I effing hate waiting on snail mail deliveries (this is the freakin 21st century).

5/20/2009 5:05:27 AM

yep.. ah.. killah!.. the ace of spades - well, those boys may be dead but they kick the led out for posterity's sake... no bones about it.

5/20/2009 10:40:41 AM

Moby Grape.

5/20/2009 2:11:41 PM

Frank Zappa and the mothers of invention

5/20/2009 4:23:01 PM

Beatles: Abbey Road, Sgt Pepper, White Album, Revolver
Hendrix: Are U Experienced?, Axis Bold As Love, Electric Ladyland
Doors: Doors
Beachboys: Pet Sounds
Dylan: Highway 61, Bringing it All Back Home, Blond On Blond

5/20/2009 4:24:36 PM ---- Updated 5/20/2009 4:35:57 PM

Bo Diddley and Bobby Parker were tremendous influences but still held their own then well into the 60s 70s and beyond and started in the 50's. I say that cause I got to work with both of them.

one, I performed with Bo and found out what a really cool guy and fine person he was and also bobby parker since I had great conversations with him and shared some interesting stories and promoted his music as well and wrote a few articles about him for a blues ezine online thing the guy was a monster guitarist and great singer, like I said before here, one of the most under-rated musicians and supremely influential but in a different way then bo, they each had their influences although bo was much more well known
bryon

5/20/2009 5:35:27 PM

Alot of the stuff will depend so much on your taste but "Forever Changes" by LOVE is a total classic imho

5/20/2009 9:33:55 PM

I recently bought Straight up" by Badfinger (1971) ... which obviously is just outside of the 1969 parameter by a smidge ...

All the same, it's a great pop album.

K-

5/20/2009 9:46:42 PM

Kev
badfinger was a great group...

how about 10cc, I rather liked them beatlesque kinda

5/20/2009 10:03:23 PM

Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates of Dawn

(first Pink album - Syd Barrett writing most of the tunes). Very influential album.

5/20/2009 10:48:28 PM

That Spirit album "12 Dreams" was a big part of my childhood.

You said you knew all the stones, but don't forget "Exile on Main Street"

I'm pretty stuck on soul from around that time or slightly later. These things are major to me:

Stevie Wonder Talking Book and Innervisions

Sly and the Family Stone There's a Riot Goin' On

Marvin Gaye

What's Goin' On?
Let's Get It On

If you likepunk, Iggy Pop and the Stooges is pretty Raw. You could start with "Raw Power"

Or the one with "Now I wanna Be Your Dog" forget the name of that album

The Who had some influential albums. I liked Quadraphenia a lot when I wa younger.

THe Dylan albums all released in a little over a year are just great

Bringing it All back Home
Highway 61
Blonde on Blonde

5/20/2009 11:06:52 PM

In no particular order....

White Rabbit - J A
Bridge over Troubled Water - S & G
Anything by Hendrix!!!
Revolution - Beatles (+ many more)
Street Fighting Man - Stones (???1960's???)
All of The Kinks (UK!)
Donovan (mentioned by Sam!)

Bloody Hell - This is turning into a List...

;-)

5/21/2009 12:55:48 AM

read this page

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really Brian Wilson was maybe the great innovator on the 60s, if he hadn't been doing what he did so many greats who were influenced by him would not have done what they did either..(Beatles..etc.)

5/21/2009 1:47:23 AM

I have a number of albums that I think you would like. Let's see:

13th Floor Elevators - The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators
Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground and Nico
Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground
Velvet Underground - Loaded
Os Mutantes - Mutantes
The Creation - Our Music is Red With Purple Flashes
Zombies - Odyessy and Oracle
Emitt Rhodes - Emitt Rhodes
Harry Nilsson - Pandemonium Shadow Show
The Left Banke - Walk Away Renee/Pretty Balerina
Caetano Veloso - Tropicalia
The Bobby Fuller Four - The Best of the Bobby Fuller Four


And, post-1970, but still amazing and influential:
Toots & the Maytalls - Funky Kingston
Big Star - #1 Record
Big Star - Radio City
Big Star - Third/Sister Lovers

5/21/2009 1:55:56 AM

This is turning into quite a list, could bankrupt the entertainment budget.....

I bought the first Spirit album last night (I guess it's the first, the one entitled "Spirit"). Very nice. I was familiar with 12 Dreams album but would have never thought of it on my own.

A lot of good suggestions, thanks all. I will start making out a wish list. I have several of the albums mentioned - so I guess I don't suck as bad as I thought I did.

Nobody mentioned these, so I will throw them in myself: the Rod Evans era Deep Purple esp Book of Taliesyn, specifically "The Shield" - check it out if you can.

5/21/2009 12:43:27 PM

The lack of early Deep Purple is a big gaping hole in my collection. I love the singles and really do want to pick up some of those early albums.

And, for the record (your records), I thought of a few more on my ride in to work this morning:

Kinks - Something Else
Kinks - Face to Face
Kinks - Are the Village Green Preservation Society
Kinks - Kinda Kinks
Kink.... um, you get the picture

also

Byrds - Mr. Tambourine Man
Byrds - Younger Than Yesterday
Byrds - The Nortorious Byrd Brothers
Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo

Flying Burrito Brothers - Gilded Palace of Sin

5/21/2009 1:38:05 PM

Animals
Yardbirds
Zoot Money's Big Roll Band
Georgie Fame
Graham Bond

That should keep you busy.

5/22/2009 1:09:11 AM

Jimi Hendrix Axis Bold as Love and Cry of Love

5/22/2009 2:30:03 AM

Here are a few from a late bloomer…(60’s were before my time)

Love
Blues Magoos
Electric Prunes
John Mayall’s Blues Breakers with Eric Clapton

Not really Rock but a Great Album from the 60’s “John Coltrane – A Love Supreme”

And one very experimental group – The United States of America

5/22/2009 2:51:57 AM

Wow - thanks all! This is really appreciated.

I read the Beach Boys link - I think my initial impression holds true, "Pet Sounds" is the one I need to get, which, I am ashamed to admit, I have NEVER owned a copy.

Kinks came up a lot, I have ZERO so that seems like something to remedy as well.

Random note - I have been listening to the Spirit album, "Stairway to Heaven" seems like a direct rip off of "Taurus" if you ask me. Huh - who knew?

There are many, many great recomendations here, I have been doing a little research to put together a list. I really (REALLY) liked Woodstock's suggestion - you go girl. I had to look up Georgie Fame and Graham Bond - never heard of em. I don't know if she put them together with Yardbirds and Animals on purpose (but I am gonna think she did anyway - so I can think she is very clever).

Thanks!

5/22/2009 4:39:19 AM

hm? strange, there is a similarity in a few chords with Spirit's Taurus. I've always liked the lyric in stairway, 'cause you know sometimes words have two meanings'... at least ey! .~) I don't know if this is true as I've never actually listened to it backwards but they say the song's got entirely opposite references to heaven. If so, I'd say that's clever for representing balance outside fundamentalist views, a skill of artisans like an Escher painting offering similar effect, causing you to ponder what you're hearing or seeing beyond that of the solitary viewpoint.

I have certain respect for Lead Belly who was more influencial than some realize.. reminded, by the Beach Boys who did an adaptation called Cotton Fields.. among MANY diverse bands and genres to follow.

hope you will share the list when you've got it all together, it's sounding really interesting.

5/22/2009 5:06:13 AM

Unicorn - I am no musician let alone muso, just a regular guy with no musical vocabulary. So - I don't know what to call "song parts" but I take it you hear what I am typing about. Yes, it's just a few chords, for a brief period of time, but it sounds like it contains the basic stucture of the intro part of Stairway, which is what, to me, the whole song gets built from. I realize that there are probably a limited number of combinations that can ever be achieved, even if you had infinite monkeys playing infinite guitars - but it just struck me as a little too close for comfort. The only knock I have against Stairway is that it is overplayed on the radio (play some Led Zep III already, FM - give Stairway and Kashmir a rest).

I will check out Leadbelly. I know a guy that is deeply into roots / blues that I am almost certain can coach me a bit if I ask him, prolly give me some loaners.

If you want to see my wish list I will post it. I am kind of anal about what I buy, I seem to need to research it first, read reviews, check for release years, see if there are remastered versions, etc. I am the world's worst impulse buyer if I have to order a physical disc. So - it might take a while.

5/22/2009 2:44:35 PM

Jimmy Paige makes no secret of the fact that he took the beginning of 'Stairway to Heaven' from Spirit's 'Taurus'. He and Randy California were friends and used the part with California's blessing.

It's a hell of a tribute, if you ask me, and it certainly lends itself to the original question of 'what influenced modern music'.

5/22/2009 6:21:15 PM

Glad you like the suggestions - you are right - there are close connections between all those bands - they were all active in a very small London scene, playing the same clubs and in many cases hanging out together.

I missed one out, of course - Blues Incorporated. Without Alexis Korner most of it wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't be talking to each other now. Strange to think.

5/23/2009 4:05:58 PM

Loved The Shield. Completely agreed on the overplay. Certain roots, people relate to or not - either rearrange, adapt, or honor the source. Just proves most of the time people go with their own gut.

5/23/2009 4:11:24 PM

I alwayz dug a good 60's SOUND.

Like on THIS ONE

yepppers...... them were the day-ze......

5/23/2009 5:07:09 PM

Nice, phlegm. Be boop a re boop indeed.

Thanks sly for the Page / California info. Goes to slow how lazy I am and prone to knee jerking (KNEE jerking, KNEE).

Laree - I have never been much of a fan of the Dead, but "don't fuck around" is a pretty ringing endorsement. Maybe I need to try again, setting aside whatever bias I may have.

I knew Woodstock was clever, when I read about those bands there were a lot of Easter eggs hidden there!

LU - glad you liked The Shield. I am a DP fan, all of the incarnations are "OK" with me (even Joe Lynne Turner on Slaves and Masters, it was a pretty good RAINBOW record). I like the early ones because they are very different than the rest - kinda groovy and far out, man plus John Lord really sets the tone on what will eventually be - much more so than Blackmore IMO.

5/23/2009 9:01:18 PM

"American Beauty" CD is among the Dead's finest work.

5/24/2009 12:04:49 AM

Sounds good, I'll hold to your word re JL as I'm not as versed with DP and less so with the Dead. Tried Jerry Garcia's ice cream (a huge hit I understand) although I'm not big on such desserts I really like the tiedyed tee shirts if I could just fit into one. Great post and diversity, providing an expansive musical horizon.. good things I'd say.

5/24/2009 12:16:37 AM

Ditto on the Grateful Dead inclusion!

'Touch of Grey' (NOT 60's)

5/24/2009 12:31:26 AM

Jingo ... since this thread has morphed from '60's music into '70's music ... (like all these type threads always do) ... I cannot help but mention the one album, that was produced in 1973, that was one of the most influential albums ever to hit the music scene ...

It was an an album that made everybody, musicians and listeners alike, stop and go ... WOW !!!

In my opinion it is one of the greatest albums EVER made ... It changed the face of music and changed the way many artist looked at what they were doing ...

It used major contrast ... loud vs. soft ... It taught the importance of Space vs. melee ... It showed the correct way to synthesize ...

I am very much a lyrics man ... but this album used no words ... but it spoke loud and clear and said more to me than anything I've ever heard before or since ...

That album was of course Michael Oldfield's "Tubular Bells" ...

5/24/2009 1:05:40 AM

That album was of course Michael Oldfield's "Tubular Bells" ...

Narrated, of course, by none other than The Bonzo Dog Band's Vivian Stanshall!

P.S. - The Bonzo Dog Band are another essential; especially for fans of Monty Python.

5/24/2009 4:42:28 AM

If you're going down the Bonzos road, check out the Scaffold and the Grimms too.

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