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Father Time
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4/1/2016 5:07:21 AM
If you set out to make the greatest record of all time and succeeded, would anybody realize it?
I'm thinking not, what do you think?
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Noah Spaceship
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4/1/2016 5:20:44 AM
not
I don't think it works that way.
example: Ask Axl Rose how well his fiasco turned out and what it cost to fuck the dog so bad, haha.
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Hop On Pop
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4/1/2016 6:29:46 AM
The greatest according to whom?
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Chandra Moon
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4/1/2016 7:41:16 AM
No
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4/1/2016 8:14:42 AM
Well, it's neither 'yes' nor 'no'... or, it's easily both.
If you set out to make what you thought was the greatest record
of all time and succeeded, that would be, you recognizing,
"Wow. I So Nailed It!" and then, to you, the answer would then be Yes.
And just as easily, someone else could hear it,
because music and how it's enjoyed or not enjoyed IS Very Subjective,
and say No.
Take one of the biggest records in history...
"I Want To Hold Your Hand" by The BEATLES.
That was Ambrosia to our generation.
Many of our parents didn't like it so much...
Alan Sherman had a hit record with "Pop Hates The Beatles".
It's all subjective.
So, there IS no absolute answer to this question.
It is Yes. And it is No.
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Larree
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4/1/2016 8:51:38 AM
I already recorded the best record of all time and it got me nowhere. But I had a great time doing it, so I don't give a fuck.
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4/1/2016 9:00:03 AM
Okay, I'll bite.
And what record might that be?
Is it posted on your site?
I for one am curious to hear it.
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Larree
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4/1/2016 9:04:46 AM
Those who tell don't know. Those who know don't tell.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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4/1/2016 11:12:05 AM
I would have to say One would not know if they have written and recorded
The Greatest Song Of All Time!
Like Lesley pointed out, it's all subjective.
What makes a song to be considered The Greatest is the Impact it leaves with listeners. There are many, many great songs out there that just did not reverberate with a large audience, or was not promoted big enough to reach a global scale. And on the flip side there are many songs deemed as great, but that's just certain people's opinions.
I, for one, as a songwriter, considered many of my songs great, especially compared to what is out now on the radio. While some listeners point out on a few of my songs as great, others don't agree. But overall I guess they are not great enough to break into the mainstream radio, etc.
An artist and songwriter who believes whatever they written & recorded
as great is delusional (Right Kanye), while some great songs just happened
quite by accident.
Perfect example: Paul McCartney's "Yesterday"
Paul "dreamt" this song, and composed the music, called it "Scrambled Eggs" and sat on it for a while. He was afraid to write words to it because he believed he may had heard this tune before, it was too perfect, and he was afraid he may be plagiarizing the melody if he used it. Upon listening to his playing on the guitar, no one who heard it had any idea of any other song that sounded like that.
George Martin told him it was original and so Paul wrote those classic lyrics,
and the rest is history.
The song was a major hit, it is called one of the greatest songs of all time and has the distinction of being the most covered song ever!
But at the time, Paul had no idea that it would gain such accolades!!
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Larree
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4/1/2016 11:19:53 AM
Ahh, what the fuck. I'll share a track. I released four albums in 2010 with the band, Guitar God System. Available on iTunes and Amazon, plus a few other places. This was the last track we recorded. I am finally ready to think about starting a new band. A power trio like Cream or the Hendrix Experience. Something very improvisational and free-form.
This is an extended jam track.
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Larree
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4/1/2016 11:24:35 AM
But I also must agree that music is totally subjective and "the best" can only be determined by the ears of the individual listener.
And that is why this is such a great quote...
"What we hear is the quality of our listening." - Robert Fripp
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Larree
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4/1/2016 11:42:25 AM
Glad you pointed out the story of "Yesterday," Jay. I am sure Sir Paul was not thinking "hit song" when he was singing ham and eggs. And the guy who wrote "Macarena" surely had no idea...
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The Jay Dyall Project
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4/1/2016 12:10:33 PM
LOL, The Macarena is by no stretch of the imagination a Great song.
It was a catchy dance craze that spread like a virus after a couple of remix producers added a new drum track to the original version the singing duo recorded a few years earlier
(Didn't you notice they were in their late 50's+, lol)
It is considered great by popularity and sales, but as a well-crafted song not so much. If you read the lyrics, it was basic and simple and just repeating lines over and over. It was a fad dance for a couple years in the late 90s but in a few years from now I'm sure the next generation of listeners will be "WTF were people back in those days thinking?!" LOL
It definitely can Not be compared to "Yesterday"!
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Larree
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4/1/2016 12:35:12 PM
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I was not comparing the Macarena to Yesterday based on the quality of the songs, but I am saying that the writers did not know they had hits on their hands when they wrote them. And they were probably not thinking about that at all during the creation processes.
AND, just because you or I may not think the Macarena is a great song, there is someone out there who thinks it is the greatest song ever written. And they are 100% correct... in their own minds.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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4/1/2016 12:37:13 PM
Well, in that sense, that is true.
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Larree
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4/1/2016 12:43:32 PM
I am very thankful for one thing. When I revisit music I used to listen to all the time during various stages of my life I rarely ask myself, "What was I thinking?!?" I have always had great taste! :D
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Larree
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4/1/2016 1:15:43 PM
... and back to the original question. "If you set out to make the greatest record of all time and succeeded, would anybody realize it?"
The biggest problem.
There are too many people sitting in their bedrooms in their skivvies with a ton of software and a few good microphones believing that they are making real records. And worse than that? Believing they are good. And then the mad rush to upload these bedroom records and share them with the world. The cyber-landfill is overflowing with digital swill. Music stars are as common as Starbucks employees.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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4/1/2016 2:17:32 PM
Well, I am, sometimes, one of those Bedroom Stars, lol
Sometimes I just want to get a record out just to go onto a better studio recording song I have my heart into :-)
But never have I ever stated I am the best at what I do or claim my songs are superior to others. I let the Listeners decide on that! :-)
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Richard Scotti
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4/1/2016 3:37:39 PM
Who is judging if it's the greatest record of all time? - the creator of the record or the people listening to it? Your hypothetical question implies it's the creator because you say "it succeeded". But how would you assess if it succeeded if as you say - no would would recognize it? If no would thinks it's great, then it only succeeded in the mind of the maker of the record. The person making the record can't be objective in coming to the conclusion that this or her own record is the greatest of all time. Anyone can say they reinvented the wheel. The proof is in the spinning.
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zeman ruckus
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4/1/2016 4:27:38 PM
great comments!
When I was a stunt performer there were critically choreographed moves that if not followed lead to pain and possible death.
I used to get 'blown up' and when we rehearsed, we didn't get a second chance to hit the mark.
You lead with a particular foot so that you maintain balance and strength.
I use the analogy of setting off on the right foot.
When you set off leading the charge with a misstep, the rest of the stunt is going to go terribly bad.
As creators, we always lead with an aspiration to better ourselves and push the envelope. We aspire to surpass where we have been before.
To set out to record 'the greatest album ever' is extremely arrogant, and that will translate in your performance. BUT, if we set out to make the best record we have ever made, well then you are on the right track.
People know if you are genuine and that is your best chance at being recognized for what you offer and create. I call it the 'believable factor'. I know right away if the artist is trying too hard or leading with a misstep.
I agree with what Lesley says, but I look at the question Scott asked differently.
Set out to make the Greatest Record you can make, that is realistic and attainable and people will recognize the genuine nature of the work whether they like or not is another story.
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Father Time
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4/1/2016 5:32:30 PM
Well ok, let's say it like this. Say Negative Tendencies as one random example heh recorded a 2-sided song with the breadth and wherewithall of I Wanna Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing There. Would the world push it down the road to success?
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Bob Elliott
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4/1/2016 5:36:02 PM
We'll see.
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Larree
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4/1/2016 5:42:58 PM
The only way to really have any kind of chance to have an impact on music is to do what you want and not give a fuck what anyone thinks.
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Noah Spaceship
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4/1/2016 5:45:35 PM
Larree, yes, exactly!
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Larree
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4/1/2016 5:52:35 PM
Once your brain goes to, "Oh, I am going to write something that is a cross between this and that with the proper BPM," you are done. Cooked. Over and out. Channeling dead rock stars and famous dead composers will not lead to innovation. You need to take your own chances and move music forward all on your own.
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Bob Elliott
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4/1/2016 5:53:09 PM
That is one way, and probably my way, too, but not really the way of most the people who have had success in the music biz.
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Noah Spaceship
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4/1/2016 6:46:23 PM
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I channel dead rock stars, but they find me because I am an innovator, haha
you rock, Larree! :)
//edit - clarification - I agree 100%, btw, Larree. If you set out to emulate or channel rock stars is the same (to me) as setting out on a particular BPM, etc. - you are cooked on the first step
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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4/1/2016 8:30:36 PM
Change of tack-----
This post reminds me of the question---if Jesus came back to earth now, would folks believe he was Gods son, or would they put him in the nuthouse.?
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Father Time
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4/1/2016 8:50:21 PM
Emulating songs you love is a good tool. Whatever gets the job done on the way to quality original material.
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Noah Spaceship
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4/1/2016 9:04:25 PM
emulating others may be a good tool for practice, but it leaves a bad taste in my psyche.
If I play a cover song for example, I don't try to sound like the original version, I try to channel the song. The soul of the song. And, I have learned a lot from covering other tunes.
When embarking on a new project/record, for me, starts with a feeling, like a hunger or a warm blanket, and it seems to exist already like a sculpture hiding in the stone, and I chisel away until it's form is revealed.
In that regard, it is easy to see those songs as existing, just like the finished sculpture but until my hands and energy organize the sound waves and capture them they remain swirling around in the ether.
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Father Time
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4/2/2016 12:10:39 AM
well I'm not talking about cloning songs, I'm talking about occupying the spirit of another artist. Like for instance this Negative Tendencies song. I set out to do my own Led Zep sort of number. It's original, doesn't sound like any Zep song, but it still reminds of Zep.
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EM GIEL
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4/2/2016 5:34:46 AM
Larree, you are correct. To be a good musician you can not give a whatsoever (I could have thought about a million words). Let's just keep on doing what Neil Young and many people would want us to do...make good music and fuck all idiots who don't know what music is
EM
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EM GIEL
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4/2/2016 6:10:48 AM
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IACMUSIC...this is very good music...this man is awesome
I mean I just wasted another night to listen to Neil Young, Pearl Jam, The Police, U2, and bla bla including my bull..god I hate it and here is the man of 2016..this sound is the greatest stuff I have ever heard..be your own judge
Good luck Two Silo Complex!!!
EM GIEL
http://indiemusicpeople.com/iac_test2_dev/index3.html?ID=A59752&SongID=55705&Source=Artist_59752_Single
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EM GIEL
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4/2/2016 6:30:40 AM
Ken.you are competing of course against Rob from New Zealand and the Silverwood Studios..Epitah..Dolls on Parade feat Sharon Ware..Kiwi Music.. I love you both..thanks to IMP to give us a chance to know each other. Competing is really not the right word..but striving for your fortune and be healthy forever Good luck...your friend EM GIEL
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Hop On Pop
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4/2/2016 9:37:38 AM
Speaking of emulating songs you admire:
I sort of adopted the main guitar riff from "Peg" by Steely Dan and tweaked it a bit when I wrote
"I'm Pathetic".
Slightly different voicings, slightly different rhythms, but I think you can hear the inspiration, when you listen, and think of it.
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