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Father Time
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4/9/2017 4:55:39 AM
Music is obsolete
Click here
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4/9/2017 10:04:35 AM
No. Not is is not.
Someone wake up on the wrong side of the guitar this morning?
It may have to work harder, but it is not obsolete, I'm not about to believe that, man.
By the way, generally speaking, I never just 'click here' especially without
some run-up summary to let me know what it is, so I can determine if
I even wanna click it.
It's you though, so I'm gonna click it, 'cause you put it there.
That said, if I switch universes again, this is your fault!
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4/9/2017 11:05:06 AM
Hey Man,
I read all this...
It's not quite as bad as all that,
sometimes the darkest hour is just before dawn.
~L
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Father Time
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4/9/2017 12:17:46 PM
The click this was meant to be irony, considering the subject matter of the piece.
On facebook I advertised this as Move along, nothing to see here.
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4/9/2017 2:17:46 PM
Yeah, I hear ya Big Guy.
I think music is in a constant state of metamorphosis.
And the darkest hour, sometimes really is before dawn.
I have faith, faith fuels my optimism.
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JeffH
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4/9/2017 4:07:11 PM
---- Updated 4/9/2017 4:08:35 PM
Nope... not even close.
So things have changed over the decades, but kids to adults still buy, listen, watch live, watch videos etc... probably more than ever.
Yeah back in the day buying a new album was an important part of life growing up here (and probably elsewhere) but that method is obsolete not the music.
Maybe it's what you're peddling.
You have to honestly ask yourself... what kind of audience is there for what you peddle or create?
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Father Time
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4/9/2017 4:20:08 PM
I'm peddling the full body of indie music.
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4/9/2017 4:27:20 PM
Man has a point, Big Guy.
Know your demographic.
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Father Time
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4/9/2017 4:47:44 PM
The demographic "likes" that answer.
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4/9/2017 4:58:04 PM
Wow.
Nobody even saw how fast that moves.
Much said, in a blur. Impressive.
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4/9/2017 4:59:50 PM
with all due respect though,
I'd totally add a question mark to your thread title,
Music is obsolete?
I by no means feel music is obsolete.
Maybe we just gotta learn more...
I don't know, I keep trying, you know?
And one day,
I will not be unknown. Or feel obsolete. Ever.
This I know.
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JeffH
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4/9/2017 6:20:49 PM
If that's the case and no one is listening outside the halls of IMP maybe most of what's here is just not that good. Odds seem to go that way in the music business... nothing new really. Pre-internet there were hundreds of thousands maybe millions of bands... most got nowhere.
And now just because you can record at home and park your tunes online doesn't mean you're any closer to "making it"... the odds are what they are.
Don't know the numbers here but I'm guessing 95+% are musicians/artist... not here to listen as much as to be heard.
I don't mean to sound so disparaging to all the artist here... I hope everyone enjoys what they create... that's most important.
As a listener, I've heard several dozen people since I've been coming here. Some good sounds but yet to have my socks rocked off!
And people are so F'ing sensitive to hear the truth...
As they say to each his or her own...
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Father Time
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4/9/2017 6:26:34 PM
"If that's the case and no one is listening outside the halls of IMP maybe most of what's here is just not that good."
I was just going to say I don't think you've heard the depths of the talent here if you believe that.
You seem like you believe the cream rises to the top. I don't. and I feel I'm pretty in touch with where the cream is. Understand that's not to say I've given up the cause, rather, it means I'm in the process of changing my mindset which we all ought to do occasionally.
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JeffH
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4/9/2017 7:54:07 PM
Some cream does some doesn't...
Ok so give me a list of the 5 best vocalists here...
I've seen plenty of good songwriters good recordings but yet to hear that knock out vocalist.
That's the make or break imo... lots of people can get by with an ok voice but the "voice" has to be tops!
Not many bands/artists get very far without a killer singer...
And please don't tell me about Lou Reed Tom Waits Bruce Springsteen yada yada yada I've heard it all before.
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LyinDan
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4/9/2017 8:13:41 PM
Music is worth nothing right now unless you're a corporation with rabid lawyers and you own it.
For us little guys, monetarily, it's like the mud on your shoe.
Unless, you sell it to a corporation, that can gouge some other entity. This is the American way now.
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Father Time
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4/9/2017 8:14:17 PM
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well I don't accept your paradigm, Jeff. You're talking to me with producer ears. I listen to the whole package. I suspend those ears for my own music, when I listen as a music lover i hear it like I heard Winchester Cathedral on a transistor radio on the beach when i was 8 years old.
I'll give you 5 songs I think are great.
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=574&ArtistID=8954
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=384&ArtistID=8369
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=98759&ArtistID=8313
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=98761&ArtistID=159695
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=95586&ArtistID=156181
There are hundreds more where those came from.
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Bob Elliott
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4/11/2017 2:42:16 PM
Well, I read the post, but it doesn't ring true for me that music is less important to people than when I was a child. Distribution and manufacturing are very different, but basic need and love for music seems much the same. Of course, it varies in intensity from person to person and group to group, but that was always true.
I don't think 'music is obsolete' is the reason it's hard to get people to click and listen to the music of unknown bedroom artists.
And those types used to get even less exposure.
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Father Time
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4/11/2017 4:06:54 PM
Bob you put all the onus there on the artist. The listener often isn't clicking on any songfile. It's an exchange, that thing that goes on between the artist and the listener, both play an active role. If one (the listener) withdraws from the process, there is no exchange.
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JeffH
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4/11/2017 8:43:40 PM
I don't know if you wanted a response from me on these tunes but here goes...
So I gave a listen to (as much as I could) the 5 posted...
First two didn't care for anything about them...
3rd one reminded me of RadioHead (too much...) but a good singer and good production
4th One reminded me of Jefferson from back in the days... nice vibe and vocals but 5 minutes of drone didn't leave me wanting more
5th one... my fav of the lot enough to look up the band and watch some of their YT vids...
Kind of a Doors vibe to it... good singer creative production and groove.
They remind me of Shaky Graves...
Thanks for the effort!
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Bob Elliott
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4/12/2017 11:39:23 AM
I appreciate how you are a true believer and supporter of us unknowns, I do.
That said, I still see. O evidence music is obsolete. People love it and use it throughout their days.
A lot of your essay hinges on how it's near impossible to get people to click on and hear unknown artists working out of their homes. That's true, but sometimes they do listen, and if you compare that to earlier Pre internet times you find artists like us were not even heard sometimes. We had to leave our homes and do all that gig stuff and shop our songs stuff. Nowadays we can turn away from all that and still be heard, but it's no surprise we won't be heard much. Especially consider the odds are that many of us aren't making music the public will even enjoy (it's easier to make that kind so you figure there's more of it).
It's tough to even get someone to clock on songs by famous bands let alone unknowns. The reason is people don't want to be told what to click on in general.the internet becomes a needy place with everyone pushing something or other.
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Larree
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4/12/2017 12:12:42 PM
Music is everywhere. You cannot escape it. It is not obsolete at all. We are just so over-saturated with it that is simply has no real value anymore. Unless you can break the mold and create that new genre, you are toast. Hip Hop, jam bands, and Beatles? That is your grandpa's music. Trying to emulate that old crap will get you nowhere.
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Richard Scotti
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4/12/2017 9:04:43 PM
Unfortunately we live in a time when corporations are the gate keepers who decide
the winners and losers based on what makes them the most profit. They are not looking for the next big thing coming out of somebody's garage or bedroom. They are looking to create the next big thing which they alone can control and exploit to their advantage. Bands are not discovered - they are designed like products. But I still believe that greatness can rise to the top on it's own. It's rare, but you have to start with a fantastic sound and a lot of assertiveness. Many artists lack these essential elements and many just get lost in the multitude of those who record at home. There's just too many people all with the same goal. It's really hard to stand out from the crowd when the crowd gets larger everyday. You have to put in the work. Some do and some don't. Being a success in music is a privilege, not a right. No one owes anyone anything. You have to go out and get it. When Joan Jett left
the "Runaways" to go solo, she was turned down by 23 labels. Finally she released her album independently and the rest is history.
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Larree
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4/13/2017 12:07:42 AM
The whole thing is completely out of control. I have 13 Guitar Centers within 25 miles of me. The music industry is all about one thing and one thing only. Selling the dream. That is your only purpose if you are a rock star. To get others to want to be you. And the industry is not going to change their game for artists. They do not give a fuck about art. They only want to keep Guitar Centers selling that dream.
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