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Father Time
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4/18/2017 3:47:48 AM
I can't believe how shamelessly this jackass Harry Styles ripped off Badfinger.
I mean wtf? Get rich off somebody else's riff? They ought to sue him to the moon, what a piece of crap.
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Chris Hance
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4/18/2017 11:01:19 AM
Whats that, four guitars? no bass, but a heavy kick drum... or did I hear a bass sound from the synth?
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Hop On Pop
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4/18/2017 11:17:03 AM
I mean, it's a different song. But yeah, that is absolutely the riff from "Baby Blue", note for note.
Seems too obvious. Maybe it's an homage? Maybe he paid Badfinger for the rights to use the riff?
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Larree
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4/18/2017 12:27:40 PM
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Getting rich off other peoples' riffs?
You mean, like... Led Zeppelin? They were the kings of that shit!
If Randy California had sued Led Zep when he was alive he surely would have won the Stairway to Heaven lawsuit.
Harry has nothing on Led Zep!
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Hop On Pop
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4/18/2017 1:16:20 PM
It's disturbing me how I am agreeing with Larree more and more frequently.
Very disturbing, indeed!
;-)
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Larree
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4/18/2017 1:19:55 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!
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Father Time
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4/18/2017 2:34:56 PM
Great Larree, you're ready to stick it to Zep who did create some of the most original songs in history like Rain Song for instance, but you're not ready at all to take up for Badfinger, one of the hardest luck bands in history.
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Larree
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4/18/2017 2:58:42 PM
If I stuck up for Badfinger and let Led Zep slide that would be inconsistent and hypocritical. So, yeah. I am sticking up for Randy California and the band, Spirit. One of the greatest and most underrated bands ever. The Twelve Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus is right up there with In the Court of the Crimson King on my most influential albums of all time list.
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Father Time
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4/18/2017 3:21:18 PM
Randy California had his day in court and he lost.
http://www.patriotledger.com/news/20160623/quincy-man-loses-copyright-lawsuit-against-led-zeppelin
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Larree
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4/18/2017 3:31:01 PM
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If Randy California had filed suit when he was alive and within a reasonable period of time he probably would have won.
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Larree
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4/18/2017 3:40:25 PM
To my ears, the intro to Stairway to Heaven is one of the most blatant ripoffs ever recorded by anyone! So, at the end of the day, Harry ain't such a bad kid after all.
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Larree
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4/18/2017 4:22:52 PM
I personally like Spirit better than Led Zep and Badfinger, anyway. One of my favorite bands ever.
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Father Time
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4/18/2017 4:40:56 PM
well you're biased. The Styles rip of the Baby Blue riff is far more blatant, how about addressing that? :D
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Larree
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4/18/2017 4:49:04 PM
You're biased, too!
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Hop On Pop
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4/18/2017 6:04:53 PM
BIASES FOR EVERYONE!!!
via GIPHY
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Larree
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4/18/2017 6:31:31 PM
Zep is way worse than Harry.
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LyinDan
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4/18/2017 6:35:11 PM
You cannot copyright a riff. You cannot copyright a chord progression. You cannot copyright a song title.
If you can show that a song's riff is really it's main melody, you MIGHT have a case. I suspect the lyric would actually have to be ughs and ooos, though. In the case of instrumentals, even, you have a melody, somewhere.
George Harrison lost his case because he copied a melody (accidentally).
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Father Time
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4/18/2017 9:45:31 PM
I think Harry would lose this one.
Larree, Led Zep is one of the greatest artists of all time. You're really a prize these days, a Trump apologist and a Led Zep hater. Man back when I met you you were almost cool.
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JeffH
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4/18/2017 9:48:44 PM
The Badfinger riff is the best part of that dog of a song.
Why is someone trying so hard to make this kid a star...
Zep did some blatant theft and got away with most of it.
Never understood the denial of it though... some of that chit was beyond obvious.
Hubert Sumlin never cried over his riff being lifted.
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Larree
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4/18/2017 11:00:27 PM
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What's this Trump shit? Keep political shit on the politics board.
I saw Zep a few times. I don't "hate" Zep. Hell, I do a few Zep songs in my live sets. But they are not my favorite band. Fucking christ!
I am more of a jazz guy. Zep couldn't suck spit out of Coltrane's sax.
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LyinDan
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4/19/2017 12:48:39 AM
Styles' song is really nuthin like the Badfinger song overall. He dead-on copied the lick, alright, but it's just a passing thing in this song.
He'd win his copyright violation case. Nobody's gonna test it, though.
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Father Time
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4/19/2017 1:21:49 AM
disagree on both counts, the riff is the only interesting thing about the song.
Larree, the mighty Zep are gods. I'll take them over any 100 sax guys.
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Larree
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4/19/2017 3:37:16 AM
Zep has never been on my 'god' list. Good. But not 'god'!
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4/19/2017 5:16:30 AM
Page in fact has the closest relationship to God of any artist I've ever heard. Take a drive into the desert and partake in Houses of the Holy for a few hours, you will see.
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Larree
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4/19/2017 10:54:17 AM
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Page is good. But not a god. Sorry. I don't need to drive to the desert for that one.
I bought Houses of the Holy when I was in high school and saw Zep on that tour. Great show.
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Larree
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4/19/2017 1:09:23 PM
Here are a dozen albums from 1973 that I like better than Houses of the Holy.
Tyranny and Mutation - Blue Öyster Cult
Birds of Fire - Mahavishnu Orchestra
Still Alive and Well - Johnny Winter
Countdown to Ecstasy - Steely Dan
Innervisions - Stevie Wonder
In a Glass House - Gentle Giant
Selling England by the Pound - Genesis
Head Hunters - Herbie Hancock
Quadrophenia - The Who
Brain Salad Surgery - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Tales from Topographic Oceans - Yes
Virtuoso - Joe Pass
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Larree
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4/19/2017 1:25:55 PM
Damn! And here's ten more!
The Payback - James Brown
Band on the Run - Paul McCartney & Wings
Mystery to Me - Fleetwood Mac
Time Fades Away - Neil Young
Wake of the Flood - Grateful Dead
Burnin' - Bob Marley & The Wailers
Spectrum - Billy Cobham
Over-Nite Sensation - Frank Zappa
Brothers and Sisters - The Allman Brothers Band
Love Devotion Surrender - Carlos Santana and John McLaughlin
(Christ, I could keep going. A lot of great music in 1973!)
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Larree
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4/19/2017 2:51:42 PM
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How the fuck did I forget these two?
Larks' Tongues in Aspic - King Crimson
Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
But seriously... Larks' Tongue is near the top of my list and Dark Side is down with Houses of the Holy.
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LyinDan
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4/19/2017 7:34:03 PM
Copyright law is based mostly on old memes, like as in sheet music. Then, the melody was the thing. That was a song. Accompaniment, chords, backup, piano riffs, none of that mattered.
And frankly speaking what if you COULD copyright for instance a chord progression (some of those are so unique)? Then no one else ever could write a C-Am-F-G song. Would that be better? And how do you define a riff? How many notes does it take? What if you COULD copyright a riff? What about the surrounding content? What about LaGrange? Would you want that few chords forbidden to everyone but the beards?
I'm thinkin...copyright law SHOULD be re-written. But NOT in that restrictive a way. Out there, there are dragons.
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LyinDan
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4/19/2017 7:39:35 PM
Also, Page is God. It doesn't matter what He stole. It's what He did with it.
There are lots of ole blues guys who originated licks. There's nothing wrong with taking those and improving them and making them accessible to more modern ears.
:)
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Father Time
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4/19/2017 8:09:01 PM
Larree, I'm familiar with most you mentioned and out of that lot, Houses of the Holy and DSOTM and Time Fades Away and Quadrophenia are the only ones I'd consider classic and I'm a pretty huge Stevie Wonder and Steely Dan fan. So you don't like HOTH, you love the Dead. We're not in the same ballyard, so what?
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Larree
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4/19/2017 8:14:26 PM
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
(Pronounced 'Leh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd) - Lynyrd Skynyrd
A Passion Play - Jethro Tull
And there are more! But I will stop now. 1973 was one hell of a year.
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Larree
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4/19/2017 8:16:27 PM
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Tyranny and Mutation kicks the living crap out of HOTH.
And I didn't say I don't like HOTH. I do! I saw Zep that year. Killer concert. But the Quadrophenia concert was better. And so was McLaughlin Santana. And I walked up to the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium the day of Steely Dan and got second-row orchestra pit seats for $6.50. What an amazing show. :D
But the best show I saw that year was Genesis (with Peter Gabriel) performing Selling England by the Pound.
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Larree
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4/19/2017 8:29:09 PM
Damn. I saw a lot of concerts that year. I saw Elton John, Yes, ELP, Allman Bros, Johnny Winter, Deep Purple, and a bunch more. Too much fun, man. That is why I am suffering now. I had way too much fun, lol.
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Father Time
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4/19/2017 9:17:28 PM
Well it sure doesn't sound like you like Zep. Rain Song is my #1 song of all time and No Quarter and The Song Remains The Same and Over The Hils and Far Away are all great. In my top 10 albums of all time. You missed the boat. :)
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Larree
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4/19/2017 10:05:39 PM
No. I was on the boat. And it was a nice ride. I saw John Bonham play live, man. But there is still a lot of music I like better than Led Zep. These guys ain't gods, man. They are just musicians.
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Larree
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4/21/2017 10:36:22 AM
I was watching some old Small Faces videos last night. Damn, Jimmy Page got all his moves from Steve Marriot!
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4/21/2017 10:45:22 AM
Hey.
You know, they say:
"amateur artists 'borrow'.... mature artists 'steal'..."
I mean come on.
Look at it.
There are eleven notes. That's it.
Well guitarists can bend 'em, which gives you a couple more, almost...
not really.
just halfway spots between one and another,
but that's it, eleven notes....
so after like, the first few hundred songs,
those eleven notes had been used,
and after that, it's just, 'okay, use 'em!'
In the 1950s, you had,
damn near every hit record, based on,
either the so called "1, 4, 5 blues progression"
or the "Heart And Soul progression" as I call it,
you know, C, to Am, to F, to G,
the rockers did the 1,4,5.
the ballads did the heart and soul thing.
So at a certain point, everything sounds like everything,
it's all, how much YOU that you put into it. That's what I think anyway.
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Larree
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4/21/2017 11:58:39 AM
This is just too fucking good!
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Larree
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4/21/2017 12:03:04 PM
And this!
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Larree
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4/21/2017 12:09:20 PM
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Right ALJ. Well, 2/3 right, anyway.
I-IV-V; I-vi-IV-V; or ii-V-I
Everything is basically a variation of one of those three progressions.
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4/22/2017 10:42:50 AM
Gee Larr,
I'm sorry to hear you're intensive care.
Let us know when you're off the IV.
You'll be on your feet in no time.
I'm not a roman, man.
Use numbers I'm familiar with if you wouldn't mind, thanks!
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4/22/2017 10:50:33 AM
all kidding aside,
I was pointing out,
the two main chord progressions of the music of the Fifties,
the 1950s...
it got more intricate when the 60s came along,
my point ultimately, was, everybody is influenced by everybody,
and there are in fact, only eleven notes,
even Larree can't argue his way out of that one,
and, the thing that makes you YOU,
well, first you have to be in the habit of being the you that you
wanna be, like, a lot, or you'll suck at it, and no one will care,
and then, BE IT, YOU, Big Loud And Proud.
And, speaking for myself, I do 'me', for me.
Maybe the world'll never dig it, maybe not,
I really don't give a damn. I'm me. In all my multitudes of modes.
So, really,
who cares, if this cheeseball ripped off Badfinger.
Not even one of their better songs at that.
The point is, he's a cheeseball,
that's the real point.
Don't be a cheeseball.
Or, be a cheeseball,
got this asshole on television, what do I know.
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Larree
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4/22/2017 11:37:24 AM
ii-V-I was around in the 1950's. 1940's, too.
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4/22/2017 11:54:50 AM
and what is that in people numbers? no romans here.
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4/22/2017 12:36:51 PM
my point was, there is nothing new under the sun,
only new enthusiasm,
and fresh personality,
the more 'you' you are, the better artist you end up being,
that's my philosophy.
but the notes, the chords,
they repeat throughout the ages... it's all what you do with it.
Larree, man, where the hell did all your records go?
Somebody bummed you out again, and you walked, that it?
Was it meee?
I'm sowy.
Do an acoustic album, or something.
Unless you're not inspired, if so I understand...
I'll only make a record if I'm inspired, and I'm not always inspired,
which is why I put out less records than I used to.
There was that one song of yours I really liked,
I wanted to cover it too, you said "no, Dude",
and, well, The Dude Abides.
Lemme know if you ever change your mind on that, I know you won't.
Let me know if you ever do though, and also, what the heck it was called.
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Larree
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4/22/2017 8:21:40 PM
No, ALJ. I did not pull my music down because of you. The world does not revolve around you, man. But if you really want to know, FT and I had a little fight on FB and he told me he would nuke me, so I nuked myself. But I am glad I did because now I am redoing all my stations and making them better.
And regarding the use of Roman numerals to designate chord progressions. I prefer using the Roman numerals because that is how I learned when I studied music theory. So, get used to it! :D
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4/22/2017 9:10:41 PM
Yeah. I was kidding, sarcastic even, when I said 'was it 'cause of me, sowwy'...
In actuality, I kinda don't care. And use whatever numerals you want,
I'm way bored with this whole thread. Everything sounds like everything. Later.
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JeffH
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5/7/2017 6:28:00 PM
On the Zep convo... to me they still are the benchmark for Guitar Rock... Page was really creative throughout most of his career. (theft aside ;-))
I just listen to one of my tunes then threw on 10 years gone followed by Over the hills and far away... Ugggh... yeah... still the benchmark to me. Quite a catalog most of it still stands today!
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