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Grodd
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12/11/2016 11:34:55 AM
Clapton never topped White Room
That's a Fact, Jack.
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 2:51:31 AM
Do you think a forum like this in the 1960s or 70s would have been discussing the music of 4 decades previously?
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Larree
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12/12/2016 4:48:45 AM
Yes, Francesca. If this was the 60's or 70's we would be discussing the old blues masters and jazz guys.
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Hop On Pop
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12/12/2016 7:44:18 AM
Re: the original topic.
I don't know. I kinda think that his best-ever solo was in "Badge." I like the lyricism of it.
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 7:58:22 AM
Interesting point Laree - the old blues masters and jazz guys were below the surface. Eric Clapton has sold millions and is completely mainstream. The equivalent discussion point in the 70s would have been Dean Martin or maybe Al Jolson.
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12/12/2016 9:11:12 AM
Oh my Dear...
Al Jolson's goin' real far back... your past lives are showing...
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12/12/2016 9:24:12 AM
The thing about a community is, it's got lotsa people in it...
Like, different people from all different walks of life,
and people in fact of all ages...
A youngster like yourself hears Eric Clapton,
and thinks 'Oh, that old guy...'
We weren't always old though. We were young. Just like you are now.
So, amazingly enough, was Mr Clapton.
And pretty much everything he did in the time period of Cream,
was pretty fantastic.
Then there was Derek And The Dominos...
You may, for instance, have heard Old Eric Clapton's slowed down unplugged
version of Layla. It puts me to sleep. That actually began life as one
of the hottest records around, in the early 1970s,
it was "Layla" by Derek and the Dominos....
One of the great all time rock smash hits of, uh, all time.
Which is why we call it an all time rock smash hit.
Al Jolson, you do realize, that's like,
1912 thereabouts, right?
Rock N Roll was relegated to do The Turkey Trot in those days.
Everybody was doin' it. Doin' what? The Turkey Trot.
Now that, is old. So's Al Jolson, he probably just turned about 150.
Gosh he was old Then! He was, he was a bald guy in black face
singing to his Mammeeeeeee....
Cars were somewhat regal looking, but still big and clumsy
and also pretty slow.
The horn was a big squeezey bulb on the side,
like on bicycles. Honk, it literally went.
Okay now my past lives are showing...
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12/12/2016 9:31:29 AM
not to be a stickler, but in the 1960s or even the 1970s
(I was there, both times, whole decades whoosh whoosh,
seize the day, it goes That Fast)
there was not a forum like this,
well there was no internet.
The immediacy of someone posts this, then you post that, non existent.
What was around then, was a thing which is now an endangered species;
it was called the magazine.
Magazines, to the unfamiliar, are...
I am going to assume, you know what a magazine is.
The one you read, not the kind you shove up into the rifle.
Well there were forums in many magazines.
You wrote a letter to the editor, and it ended up there or something...
No, letters to the editor got published in 'letters to the editor'
and letters to forums of many a magazine,
were published in said forums.
And there never has been a place like IMP ever,
and I doubt there will be again.
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Larree
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12/12/2016 10:12:29 AM
Getting back to Clapton. I love just about everything he did with The Yardbirds and Cream. And I agree with ALJ. Clapton's solo on Badge was great. I loved Strange Brew, too. Great little solo. But I also really dug the Blind Faith album. I wish they would have done a little more work together. And the work Clapton did with Duane Allman on Derek and the Dominos was simply stellar. Clapton's later albums? My favorite is From the Cradle.
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 10:19:07 AM
Ah Lesley, I didn't think you would patronise me! You who thought a picture of Bon Scott who died 35 years ago was Jim Morrison who died in the battle of Waterloo.
I have been thinking about this sort of thing since reading the post about how to get the indie culture over to a wider audience and I conclude that very few who contribute here actually believe in 'indie'. There seems to be a desire to relive the music of half a century ago, but not indie music, not the 13th floor elevators or even the velvet underground, but the mainstream, million sellers.
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Larree
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12/12/2016 10:22:44 AM
Well, Francesca. I must admit. I do not recall every getting into any deep musical discussions about Dean Martin with my bandmates back in 1970. :)
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 10:31:53 AM
I'm sure you didn't Laree, just as someone starting a band now, at the age you were, doesn't worry about Eric Clapton's finest moment.
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12/12/2016 11:24:56 AM
Patronizing? Sorry if you took it that way.
I supposed I responded in the same vibe as I heard it;
you were kinda like 'what's all this old people stuff?'... or so I perceived it...
And I was simply making the point, old happens fast, you have no idea at all
just how fast, no one ever does. I sure didn't. It happens. Old happens.
For real and fast, it happens. And okay, you as a young person in this
time period, could give a hootenanny less (there's a really old word that you
wouldn't know unless you're as old as I am) about Clapton in probably any time period... but that's a broad brush to paint us all with:
No one here believes in Indies?
Oh come now.
Still not intending to sound patronizing, Frannie,
but speaking for myself, I very much believe in Indies...
Thing is, when you make it sound like a bad thing,
for an Indie Artist to have aspirations of cracking mainstream,
you deftly and neatly relegate we the Indies to a life of obscurity,
and thanks but no thanks.
I make no bones about it.
I'm here, to lead, the Indie Revolution.
And as for Bon Scott,
I could give a flying whatchamacallit,
I had to look up the name. I did.
I'd never heard of him. Oh. AC/DC guy. Died.
Greatest gift to Rock N Roll, he looked (at least in that picture)
like Jim Morrison on his way to a coke party with Abba
in Waterloo, Missouri, in which a drunken Donovan
kept trying to 'wear the Abba girls love like heaven',
and then one of the Abba boys socked him one and put him to bed
for the night.
Okay, that was a tad smartass, we call it here in NYC.
Anyway, there's nothing wrong in wanting to crack mainstream.
Don't you wanna do that?
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 11:51:54 AM
Of course I do.
How many indies would you class as influences on you though?
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 12:01:51 PM
I think the real fans are among the station managers - people like Eve Delvecchio who just get into the music and are genuinely enthusiastic. Among us performers I think we just want to be heard and we are influenced by the stuff around us, which is mainstream (me as much or more than anyone else), and not only that, but the mainstream when we were in our late teens.
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Father Time
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12/12/2016 12:07:33 PM
well most sites like ours wouldn't have this discussion. Then again most like ours don't even have a community to speak of. This site has always been based around quality music and that's why we didn't hesitate to allow pages for Pete Townshend, Brian Wilson and other acts that are top of the food chain.
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Larree
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12/12/2016 12:08:36 PM
Francesca. In response to this post:
"I'm sure you didn't Laree, just as someone starting a band now, at the age you were, doesn't worry about Eric Clapton's finest moment."
That is the problem with today's music. Most kids starting today have no respect for the roots of music. Today's wannabes should be concerned with Clapton's finest moments. Along with all the other greats that came before. This lack of respect is a major contributor to crap music.
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 12:27:48 PM
Only if you don't want progress. There has been so much great stuff since then, but people don't move away from their own youth. There are crap bands now and there were crap bands then. There were crap songs by good bands (Lesley, I know the Layla album - would you call 'thorn tree in the garden' a good track?). My gripe is those of us calling ourselves 'indie' who can't see life after Led Zeppelin 4 . Get it in perspective. The Sex Pistols split 12 years before I was born. The average era for most of the posts on here was about 6 years before that. So go back 18 years from when you were born Laree. How much of what was going on then influenced your early bands? Were you not influenced more by the music of your generation, which I guess was Clapton and Hendrix etc.? How much of what you liked was held in regard by people who were the age that you are now?
I have lost my thread... ...
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Steve April
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12/12/2016 12:28:16 PM
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12/12/2016 12:32:53 PM
How many Indies have had influence on me? All of 'em.
I'm not sure what point you morphed into...
You began simply ostracizing that which came before,
which I thought was at once rude, condescending,
also pretty insulting...
We're only old to you! You who are so young!
We aren't old. We are still young. You simply do not see that.
And Larree is spot on,
the crap they've been churning out for well over twenty years now,
is enough to rot all the brains of all who listen to it.... and, don't look now,
but it has.
It's a whole Empire, based on one thing,
'Isn't the Emperor wearing lovely clothes?'
Me?
I'm the guy in the crowd, so's Larree for that matter,
we're here among everybody else,
who says
"Hey, you all do realize that's one butt-balls naked-ass emperor right?"
Now,
let's get into specifics.
You, of all people Frannie Tamellini, should be absorbing,
everything good that ever happened in music,
because you have staggering potential....
what's that even mean?
It means, you were given an insane amount of talent.
That, in and of itself, means piddle diddle.
It all comes down to, what do you do with it.
If you have the talent and go whoopee I have talent,
not much may come of it.
It's when you work like a pig at it, and the talent may become something...
I heard it summed up once like so:
Your talent, is God's gift to you,
what you do with it, is your gift to God.
Will, I, personally lead an entire Indie Revolution?
Oh fuck if I know.
I might. I could. I do work like a pig, you never know.
Now you, Dear,
patronizing? Child.
I am more mindful and protective of you than you know.
You have what it takes to be one of the greats.
And before you thank me for that,
realize the fine print,
you want that, you can go for it,
but you do so, deciding, this is your life,
and you will, if you pursue this life,
work harder than those around you,
and it may involve the hard climb up, damn sure has with me....
But one need not put down someone else, to make themselves
seem placed at a higher position.
Which is what it amounts to,
when you come on to blow off what someone is saying
about a thing reaching back before your known timespan.
Frannie, do you know how to believe in the impossible?
If so, great, keep in practice, it will help.
If not, learn.
Because the higher you wanna fly,
the more people will tell you all about how why when where and why
you cannot do it.
They'll tell you it is impossible.
They told me that.
Now, the day may come, when finally, I believe it.
You'll know that day, because someone, will be telling you
that I died.
Till then, I haven't given up. And, goddamn it,
I only look old.
I am inside, younger than you are. Believe it or not.
Some people go very far on deft social interaction...
and sure, develop 'powers to charm' and what not...
as well as 'subtle manipulation to send the listener this way or that...'
the very thing you said,
was based on,
'get this old people crap away from me'....
that's sad on so many levels.
You were implying, by your very statement,
that it's out of line to even talk about,
things which are of a previous era.
Fran, goddamn it, you are smarter than that.
I know you are. Now you need to know it.
You have an incredible array of talent...
takes one to know one, and I'm the one who just told you that.
It means something.
This is why it knocks me out,
when Stoneman tells me I rock.
That he, told me that,
he's a guy with insanely amazing talent,
and he's developed it nine ways to Sunday...
By the way, I know I'm a pain in the ass,
I come from NY, it's expected of me, frankly.
But, if you ever do want to work on something together again,
and can stand me for ten minutes.... I'm game, I'd have another go....
But I am me, and I know what comes with that....
Someone called me a 'whacky wooster' once....
What can I say.
To know me is to love me.
Well I love me. That'll do, because it'll have to do.
Anyway, just 'cause there are young people out there,
acting like they matter, and we old people do not,
doesn't mean you have to drink that koolaid.
The truth is, we're all kids,
some of us forget that....
me, I didn't.
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 12:35:41 PM
You asked me if I know what a magazine is. Was that not patting me on the head a little?
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 12:35:45 PM
You asked me if I know what a magazine is. Was that not patting me on the head a little?
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Larree
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12/12/2016 12:38:28 PM
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I have always been heavily influenced by the music that came before my generation, Francesca. Even when I was a kid. I always loved jazz and swing music, show music, motion picture soundtracks, and classical music. Always. Oh. And for the record. The last cover song I learned was Radioactive by Imagine Dragons. So I can appreciate a good modern song. But most modern music is pure crap with no feeling.
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 12:41:17 PM
Ok. For the record, I am not so bad at the historical stuff. My dad had lots of these round plastic things...... :)
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12/12/2016 12:45:18 PM
Also...
I'm not trying to 'bring back' any particular era...
my friends and bandmates,
whom you may not believe are my friend and bandmates
on account of 'they're dead, and I channel them'
(but a guy who knew 'em both, came, and saw, I'm for real,
and so are they)
well, you read us incorrectly,
if you think we just wanna come back out
and do I Wanna Hold Your Hand again....
It's about Music, to us.
Whatever music we may fancy doing at any given moment....
By the way, Judos Kudos
for being up on the Layla album... couldn't tell you about that track,
I had that friggin' album, and I can't remember the song you mentioned...
Life is a funny thing...
I lived for a dream, for, oh decades...
and by now of course, I see, my dreams may actually never come true.
And it's okay if that's the case.
But I became the person I wanted to be, my mind is my own,
and I have a heart which genuinely loves everyone,
regardless of what they think of me.
Anyway, I'm not like I used to be... I really don't have the dream
anymore of 'making it bigtime'... not really, I'd probably pursue it more
if I did.
I simply have managed to become the artist I wanted to be,
I now can make the records, which I like to hear.
And there is all manner of influences in my work. All eras. All people.
Bottom line, if you choose this life,
you'd better be choosing it for no greater reason than you absolutely love music.
I am, just so you don't misconstrue my taking you to task here,
I am and have always been, in deep awe of the natural musicality of your soul.
Some people are so good, you say 'they breathe music'.
But you, Fran.
Fran, you are music.
And so am I.
Takes one to know one...
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Francesca Tamellini
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12/12/2016 12:47:03 PM
Sweetie
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12/12/2016 12:47:31 PM
patting you on the head?
No, I was not initiating physical contact.
I was pointing out, the magazine industry is in big trouble.
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Richard Scotti
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12/13/2016 10:16:54 AM
There is good and bad music from every era.
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IAC Admin
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12/13/2016 11:23:58 AM
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Larree
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12/13/2016 12:12:04 PM
Enough said!
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