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the intellectual
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1/22/2017 8:29:57 PM
insidious negativity
Last week we had somebody smearing this site over and over again, they were eventually moderated for not respecting the rules of the site. I know some artists feel like there should never be any moderation but I wanted to comment on just how trolls can do damage to folks with the best intentions. I've seen it many times in social media.
I am reminded about my own efforts as an artist to promote myself. You get involved in these communities, you make friends, sometimes you make enemies. In the early part of this century there was a guy who became sort of a leech on my neck and it wasn't anything I did to him, it was just that he had a thing for this female artist who I had become close to. So he showed up on all my threads for months, posting lie after lie about me, one more stupid than the next. Now, you would think that if somebody does something like this, people are smart enough to see past it. Surely many were, but there is a lingering residual effect as i found out. If somebody throws enough aspersions towards the social wall, some of them will stick, true or not. This happened somewhat to Hillary in the election, For me, I had to deal for years and I mean for years with having to explain what was going on when this guy was painting me with all these ugly colors,
Idea incitement is an issue always. Say you release a song. Some trolly critic comes around and says something like your drums always suck. This can cause ugly results as it draws attention to things and when you put ANYTHING in regards to art under a magnifying glass, you will see it as flawed. Anything that is specific yet generalized is really a smear. This is how rumors and gossip are sometimes used to destroy someone's character. I don't want somebody putting manufactured ideas into others' heads about me. If you want to state your constructive opinion, that can be okay, but usually the folks who are most opinionated have highly exaggerated assessments of their own opinions. If somebody says this or that sucks, they present it as an objective truth. It's damaging. Falsehoods creep in. You may think no one gives a shit, but then you find out later that people absorb things, quicker and deeper if the paint is negative.
The idea of free speech sometimes does not honor the truth. Why should anyone defend themselves when a lie is being told? Because if you don't do a good job doing that, the lie can stand as the truth by default.
Just some thoughts i've been having. Words can be an unfair weapon. Putting malevolent opinions on the record is a shitty thing to do to any individual or any institution.
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Stoneman
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1/22/2017 8:44:05 PM
That was well said and I agree!
Much Respect,
Stoneman
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Bob Elliott
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1/23/2017 12:40:19 PM
Well if you are who I believe you are, then you must admit you have supplied a great deal of negativity toward other's music over these many years.
If you truly believe this sort of thing has deep lasting effects on the artists, perhaps you will refrain in the future.
Two way street, and maybe they were just giving honest thoughts on your drums.
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the intellectual
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1/23/2017 12:49:41 PM
I don't think famous acts are affected in the same way as indie acts. Most of my harsh critiques are about well known artists who have already made it.
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Bob Elliott
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1/23/2017 12:55:43 PM
Maybe as The Intellectual, but as your regular self at various sites you are never shy about sharing negative opinions of regular Joe's music as blunt as any I've seen.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing or good. I used to share all my thoughts, now I generally just comment about what I like. The negative comments could be useful, too, if they're real. I like to hear whatever people actually think.
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Bob Elliott
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1/23/2017 1:00:37 PM
Harsh thoughts about established acts shouldn't be a problem for anyone, but your first post is about critiquing each other.
I think we all were more harsh when we first started these Internet forums, but over time I think many of us found a downside to too much honest talk with strangers. You see less blunt criticism at these sites now.
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the intellectual
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1/23/2017 1:16:34 PM
Well I think brutally honest reviews are helpful and that more artists should be cool with them. This thread was more about huge generalizations that dismiss an artist's whole output with some label. Your use of effects makes your music unlistenable. Stuff like that.
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Larree
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1/23/2017 1:27:34 PM
Hey, intellectual, you said, "! don't think famous acts are affected in the same way as indie acts. Most of my harsh critiques are about well-known artists who have already made it."
Do you know why Keith Emerson committed suicide last year? He killed himself because cyber-bullies were giving him grief over the fact that his hand pain was affecting his ability to play, and he was touring with other keyboardists. And the bullying hurt him so bad that he killed himself. Artists are artists, man. Whether they are superstars or unknowns. So that is pure BS.
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the intellectual
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1/23/2017 1:39:26 PM
Point taken!
I'm surprised he lasted so long under those circumstances though, ELP got a lot of abuse over the years.
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Larree
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1/23/2017 1:56:53 PM
Yeah, they did. But Keith went over the edge when he started losing his skills. So sad. I loved that band so much. Saw them live when they were in their prime.
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JeffH
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1/23/2017 6:00:49 PM
If you get invited into someones home, respect the rules of the house... And if that's a problem for ya, (self restraint and what not), don't be too surprised when you're asked ever so nicely to GTFO!.
;-)
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