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the intellectual
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2/23/2017 8:40:05 AM
How much does music even matter?
Maybe it used to be more important. Now people are more into staring at their phones.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/23/2017 10:02:59 AM
thats where the music is now. streaming,they listening enjoying grooving digging
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Open Book
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2/23/2017 10:10:18 AM
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I like to think that music at it's best and most important is food for the soul. There are 'fine diners' and there are those of us who have simple tastes.
Then I think about actual food and I know that you don't have to eat the finest, most expensive fare to appreciate what you ingest. Sometimes a simple crusty loaf, the feel, smell, taste as you bite into it, can leave you tingling.
Likewise, the simple humming of a lullaby by a mother can bring comfort and love to an infant and melodic whispered lyrics in the ear of your lover can evoke the same feelings as a fully orchestrated love ballad.
I like to think of music at least beneficial being equivalent to a home delivered fast food, it fulfills a want for instant gratification. It doesn't need all your attention, it's an automatic need that ends after consumption.
Staring at a mobile screen is not relating to music in any way other than to maybe discuss or criticize what one has heard, just the same as a meal one has eaten can be described and analysed.
In conclusion, if music is important to you, then it IS important.
If music is a point of reference in a social environment then it IS important.
However if music is not important to you today then it probably never was.
I don't see that 'musical' people are ever going to give up their love and interest, in order to spend more time texting or whatever. I also can't imagine that serial phone fanatics would relinquish their joy in order to increase their musical appetite.
Pardon my flowery explanation but you posed a very thought provoking question and I thought it deserved more than a one liner response.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/23/2017 11:20:24 AM
Well , lets say this Open Book, a one liner response is all most people are willing to spend these days here, the regulars like you or me will pontificate and preach our personal views and provide insight and ideas and worthwhile interaction. Most smartphone users, well they move on to the next subject as they fly through their morning browsing on their smartphone with a cup of joe or such. now saying that it is true a few of course do take an interest in really delving into subject matter and offer up some discussion or provide some of their personal take on things.
I read some of your observation and acknowledge what you had to say.
My thought was what is actually happening in our society. I also know that the average person who visits IMP stays for about one minute if that on this site, thats it.
Moving on to an unrelated subject, that is kinda important, and could keep people interested and maybe take time to type and get on the pipeline.
Many people are hooked up to their mobile, and if a site is not optimized or friendly on their smartphone or iPad, its gone baby gone. This site, as nice as it is. is mainly for those working from a computer and large monitor and the regular visitors like you or me, But most just are not going to stick around.
the downside
The big downside here at IMP is that the site is not offering a friendly mobile surfing browsing interface, and it is not optimized for the mobile phone ,smartphones etc, and that is too bad, it would achieve a higher visitor rate and people would hang around a lot longer if it had that smartphone friendly interface. As it stands, until that happens it will do reasonable for visits here, but not as good as it could if it was optimized for smartphones, it is very weak in that area.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/23/2017 11:26:33 AM
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And music does matter to me , a whole damn lot. i spend way more time here then I Should, but enjoy it substantially i support IMP as much as anyone, I am a dedicated longtime member and listen to a lot of good music here and take care of adding music to the many stations I have built up over the years, one of which is the eYe, i like my eYe a lot, so do those musicians who are a part of it on the eYe .
that was 5 lines or is it 6
so there
lol
bryon
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Open Book
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2/23/2017 11:37:13 AM
Sorry Bryon, I hadn't seen your short reply when I posted my verbose one so I wasn't making a judgement there, just saying it was hard for ME to summarize.
I must say however that People don't have to be smart to use smart phones and I'm really smart (just like the intellectual and yourself) but I have no idea how to use a phone type thing. My fingers are stiff, my eyes are weak, I'm rather clumsy and I don't know what does what, in fact I'm struggling to master an old fashioned desk top pc.
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/23/2017 11:49:36 AM
Haha, me jumping to conclusions, I know, its difficult. I just got a smartphone,way behind the times, but liked my old 15 y o mobile and did not want to change, but my service was stopping as they shut down the old system and I had to get one. its cool .fun interesting,s easy to use. any dumb ass can use one. and me being old. still learning about it. I responded about smartphones because everyone else would show me what they could do, and my family, I just refused to budge. now i had to, and here I am with one, lol
cheers open book ,i enjoy reading your posts. thanks for your insight, appreciated
bryon
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Larree
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2/23/2017 12:29:18 PM
I agree with Bryon. Websites have to be optimized for smartphones if you want your website to succeed in the 21st century.
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Larree
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2/23/2017 1:01:12 PM
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... and regarding the subject of the original post: I don't think music really matters anymore. Not like it did before the internet. Before the internet, you had to go out to discover new music and new scenes. If you wanted to experience the Summer of Love, you had to get to San Francisco. Now, we can sit in our skivvies without leaving our rooms, and we're constantly bombarded with it. It does not require the effort like it once did. And we all know that everything there is in life matters more to you if you have to work for it. When it's easy it means nothing. And for kids today, it is just way too easy for it to be important unless they are driven to become musicians themselves. Then it becomes important.
And for the record: This opinion is coming from the listener side of me. Not the player. Music matters greatly when I am playing it. :)
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/23/2017 1:42:35 PM
I dig what Larree said here on music
I used to go to a lot of concerts. still do. 12-15 times a year. smaller venues. 100-800 people and of course i go and see a few bands and solo artists at clubs and coffee houses. maybe 25-80 people handful of times a year. 5- 6
When I was promoting a lot, many artists were from this area, i go see their shows now I also promoted people i never met, they knew of me and get in touch and away we go with their campaign.
Now as for large venues. the 15000 arena shows, well that be at least 3-4 years since one of those.
Next week we are going to blue frog performance centre in White Rock for keira, a great fiddle player. we go there a few times a year and belong to a concert series with white rock concerts that give classical performances of artists of renown from around the world.
So i do still get out and mingle at coffee houses, clubs on occasion, take in shows, enjoy the art of music and there is nothing like it.
Still i love watch music vids and listening to music here and other places, and making music myself when the right moment strikes me, I draw from inspiration rather then having to do something for the sake of doing it. like sitting down and forcing it, it comes when the moment is right.
cheers and best wishes
bryon
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JeffH
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2/23/2017 7:28:50 PM
Staring? I don't know... there seems to be earbuds along for the ride most of the time. That little device is many things...phone probably the least used.
If someone would of said back in say "79" you will one day walk around with 10k songs in your pocket... would've thunk em nuts! Think of all the Vinyl that would amount to and how would it fit... And here we are.
The fault in it imo is it's free and because it's free you can eat as much as you like with no end in sight.
So if someone listens to a song I'm guessing within a few seconds (short attention span) they either want more or are moving on to what's next down the rabbit hole!
Be good in the first moments always... if you want to be heard to the end.
Of course it matters that's why IMP exists...
Side note;
My kids go to concerts regularly and have a pocket full of tunes playing throughout the day...
People are still going to live shows not quite the same as just listening but mucho $$$ spent on the experience!
North America Concert Ticket Sales Statistics
Tickets Sold Avg. Price Total Ticket Sales
2015 59,780,000 $78.77 $6,900,000,000
2014 51,680,000 $82.07 $6,200,000,000
2013 63,340,000 $78.99 $5,100,000,000
2012 51,330,000 $79.03 $4,700,000,000
2011 54,170,000 $78.33 $4,350,000,000
2000 37,100,000 $40.74 $1,700,000,000
1996 40,681,906 $25.81 $1,050,000,000
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Steve April
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2/23/2017 11:05:21 PM
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interesting little article from 2010....
Top artists’ concert revenues typically 2-3x their album sales, Note; divide by ten to get per year numbers, also industry #s notoriously overstated...
By Nic BrisbourneJanuary 22, 2010
Music
The Vancouver Sun recently posted a list of the top ten music earners of the last decade. Aside from being shocked at how few newish stars made the list I was interested to see that nearly all of them made more money from concert ticket sales than album sales. It would be interesting to know if the same ratio holds for smaller artists. Here are a couple of excerpts from the list:
Position in list Album sales Concert sales
Celine Dion 1 $256m $522m
U2 5 $219m $391m
Bruce Springsteen 7 $144m $443m
Britney Spears 10 $299m $196m
I included Britney to make the point that there are outliers, and Eminem is another, he sold more albums than anyone else, but he doesn’t tour much and so didn’t make the top ten.
The bigger point though, is that for most of the top stars live performances are where the action is at – which is important for the whole piracy and artist revenues from internet music services debate. Specifically, I wonder how many of those concert tickets were bought by fans who got to like the artist after listening to tracks downloaded from bittorrent. Maybe piracy is helping the artists to make money. Going forward the same could be said about Spotify – even if artists feel they are not making enough money directly from the service it may be a strong driver of concert ticket sales.
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