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SOHNN
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4/20/2007 2:21:34 AM
Virginia Tech Shootings, my condolences to the bereaved,
Well, I send my condolences to the bereaved because I believe Cho shouldn't have used such a violent means to achieve a noble end.
Well, I have watched the video by Cho. He is the kid that shot and killed 33 people. This was a really terrible way for him to speak out his frustrations, I wish he decided to use a different means. Cho clearly talks of how he was ridiculed, how he felt like a "piece of shit" according to his own words. He observed that most of "the" people treated themselves as if they were very special and looked down on, despised other people. He says, "I could have left, I could have run". His other choice was to leave this place and go back home, where he would be respected and treated like a human being. But he adds, "I did this for my children, for the other people who will come after me". He clearly says that this shooting was a ploy to bring a change. His voice couldnt have been heard any other way, the voice of Martin Luther couldnt have been heard until he died, the voice of Malcolm X couldnt have been heard till he died, the message of Jesus couldnt have spread thus far until he died.
Maybe Cho realized that the only way for him to be heard was for him to do a strange act, and die. Well, his wish has been fulfilled. More than a million people have heard what he had to say. They have heard his complaints, and felt his frustrations, albeit in a painful way.
Well hopefully, people will calm down and think, they will listen to what this "killer" had to tell us by his actions. He didnt just kill, killing was only a means to an end, a means to bring a change, a means to tell the "people", you cant just look at other people like "pieces of shit" as he says. I have felt the same way, but am not the type to act radically, I only release my frustrations through my music. I have met many who have felt the same way. Maybe you even feel the same way.
Hopefully when the dust settles, we will change how we treat "other" people, but I pass my condolences to the bereaved, let's pray for them.............................
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4/20/2007 4:26:43 AM
I don't think there was ANYTHING noble about what this guy did. I read accounts where his classmates tried really hard to relate to him but he was a miserable psycho from the getgo. There is no message to what he did other than that there are some really messed up sickos out there. It repulses me that you're here seemingly believing there's something heroic about this monster from hell.
Repeat: he had nothing to tell us. He wasn't trying to change the world, he was trying to make himself important and he didn't care one bit whose lives he destroyed.
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SqurlyMurly
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4/20/2007 10:16:47 AM
There's nothing noble about killing.
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The Man With No Band
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4/20/2007 10:49:13 AM
SICK !!!!!!!!! Anyone who thinks this way should leave the good ol U.S.A. and find a country more to their liking... Someplace where they can be appreciated and wallow together in one giant pile of self-pity.... SICK !!!!!!!
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Tulla's Headspace
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4/20/2007 11:57:10 AM
Not sure where you are coming from equating this guys actions and "message" with MalcomeX, MLK, and Jesus. There is anger and there is righteous anger. Nothing righteous about Cho's anger. His message wasn't about hope, love, peace, equality or salvation for anyone. His rantings were pretty self-centered. Obviously something went terribly wrong early in this kids life. He didn't get that angry as a result of the way people treated him at that school. He brought that anger with him and instead of having the balls to admit that he needed help, he took it out on everyone else around him. That's not noble. That is petty. Makes the whole situation tragic and empty. So much for his "message".
My sincer condolences to those involved and who have lost loved ones in this tragedy.
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SOHNN
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4/20/2007 4:19:44 PM
Yeah, that's true. Cho had problems growing up, he had anger, frustrations, etc. It is no wonder he couldn't relate to the kids who wanted to relate to him.
But all in all, what he did portrays a "psycho", not someone normal.
But still, this was a bright kid. He prepared a video before doing the shooting and sent it to a very popular news channel. He obviously expected that the shooting will generate so much attention, and as a result his video will get a good audience. Thus, this was a planned action. It was a plan to send a message to a large audience. What message? He clearly talks against the rich people despising the poor. That was simply his message. Well, did he deliver the message in a good way? NO, but was the message noble in itself? YES. Did the message reach the intended large audience? YES.
Well, apart from the way the message was delivered, I still believe it would be great if people go back and look at the tape, and listen to what he had to say. If you havent looked at it, go look at it and listen to his words "without flared emotions".
I condemn his shooting to the highest degree, but I suggest that we should consider what he had to say, we should consider how we treat each other...
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SqurlyMurly
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4/20/2007 4:49:55 PM
Hey, while we're at it let's go have a look at all the other mass murderers. Maybe they, too, have something to say. Poor, poor me. Geesh. Get a life. I grew up poor, lived in a tarpaper shack with a tarpaper floor for a while. But my Mom made sure it was the cleanest house you'd ever seen. Ever see someone mop a tarpaper floor? It ain't easy. Also had an outhouse. And yea, I wasn't good enough for some of the rich kids in school but on the other hand, I considered they weren't good enough for me. I didn't assault them. I know there are many others just like me. How can you even dare to put that asshole's name in the same paragraph as Martin Luther King? You best go back and study Mr. King a bit better!
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Gilly Harrison
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4/20/2007 8:12:24 PM
Yet again you use the word "Noble." Is that the same Nobility that drives suicide bombers to indiscriminately destroy the lives of innocent men women and children in Iraq on a daily basis.? The word is utterly innapropriate. Yes - he may have had grievences - but to do what he did - to cause such unspeakable carnage - to gain such apparent satisfaction from it - that is is as far from "Nobility as it is possible to get.
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Roy Muniz
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4/20/2007 8:43:34 PM
This guy was a loner, judged other, then killed people who were trying to better there lifes. Whats this noble bullshit.. He had hate in side him. If I walk through thinking nobody cared, that's a thought, He could have tried to make a change, even leaving. No excuses for this kind of hate, unless your one who can relate, what's the anwser? You seem familar to his emotional state. You have your opinion, true, but show some respect to so many who are hurting. You confuse me!
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SOHNN
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4/21/2007 1:10:48 AM
Well, I feel like an outsider trying to convince people to see things through my eyes. Most of the people are going through a different kind of pain which I can't experience, even if I wanted to, because I am an outsider.
I remember in my history class, that Dr. Martin Luther King was considered a fool by many people ("almost" all whites) until many years after his death. Most white people were against his movements, and looked at him as a fool. Thank God to the changes that have opened our eyes to understand why he did what he did.
In the same manner, Saddam Hussein is considered a hero by many people, while the same person is a foolish, murderer in the eyes of the "Americans". Well, why?
It is only after we put ourselves in the shoes of the other person, will we be able to understand why they did what they did. It is only after many years that people understand Martin Luther King. It is only after we put ourselves in the shoes of most Arabs, that we will understand why Saddam is a hero to them (of course not all). It is only if we put on Cho's shoes that we will understand his message, although it is clearly, plainly, spoken in the video, his murderous act overwhelms his message.
For now, let us all grieve the present circumstances, but with time, history might open our eyes to be able to understand the pain "other" people feel by how we treat them...........
But all in all, I condemn that act, it ain't human, he should have chosen another way of capturing attention...........
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Roy Muniz
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4/21/2007 2:33:03 AM
Hey Sohnn, I hope things are well with you. I got a head ache reading and responding earlier. I think I know what you are saying, but there is so much going on here, Mr. King, Saddam Hussein, Cho, these are all different situations. The topic was "Virginia Tech Shootings, my condolences to the bereaved", I and many many others feel the same as you do, as our hearts go out to the friends and Families. Cho gave up years ago on his own Mother..Trying to understand these minds that hide and plot, use power to kill, is like saying ya we're going to rid the world of bad people starting in the Middle East..NONSENCE!!. Later we can discuss why people kill on web boards, But Lets not forget IAC music as a subject matter here. Alright, lets all go write some music!!! Peace and respect to you.
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