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W.E.Ervine
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12/1/2025 6:21:56 PM
Music has been faked for a long time
I don't know if any of you know this, but a lot of the top singers on record labels could not sing! They had the looks, the professionalism, but not the great voice to go with it all, so the record labels hired pro singers to do the vocals on there songs! Then they pantomimed the songs on stage! I watched a youtube video the other night exploiting this. Another thing to, is the fact that the record labels had studio musicians called the wrecking Crew doing all the music on most of the top Artists songs, all to save time & money.That's also why the bands back in the 50's& 60's pantomimed their songs on TV. It also saved time. So a lot of the music industry is pretty much faked. Remember Milli Vanilli, well they got the shaft as fake pantomimers, but it became popular later on. This is why I hate AI, because it follows that type of pattern. There's no pride in the creation of a song. That's what this tech stuff has really brought upon us. It's kind of a damned if you do & damned if you don't situation. I still think that anyone who wants to use AI to produce songs, should have to mention that where ever they may upload there music.Think about it, a person has AI create a song, not even being a musician & uploads it to a music site & it wins an award & gets more attention than any of the real Artists who created & uploaded there creations! It's a slap in the face to me!
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Larree
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12/1/2025 6:53:38 PM
I agree! We should definitely publicly disclose our use of AI. But remember this. All the top-level state-of-the-art mixing and mastering software used in the best studios today is AI-driven. And re: The Wrecking Crew (and The Funk Brothers at Motown), they were the best studio musicians on the planet. They played on almost every single record that we know and love, plus all the great movie soundtracks, too. The music we listen to and love would not be the same if not for them.
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Larree
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12/1/2025 7:11:50 PM
Another reason why many of the bands and artists in the '50s and '60s, and even the early '70s, lip-synced their records on TV was that the sound equipment sucked back then. It would have been a distorted mess if they tried to play live with the sound equipment bands had on stage. We can all thank The Grateful Dead for taking sound reinforcement to a higher level.
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Father Time
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12/1/2025 10:16:21 PM
I have to agree with Larree on the Wrecking Crew. They did not get hired to save time and money, they were hired because they were the best and knew how to make hits.
Here's what I believe about AI. We will know when it's definitely gone too far. However if it reaches that point we probably won't have a choice in the matter when it gets there.
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Larree
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12/1/2025 10:52:07 PM
Carol Kaye, Hal Blaine, Leon Russell, Glen Campbell, Howard Roberts (I attended a few Howard Roberts guitar seminars in the 1970s), Tommy Tedesco, and I could go on and on.
And The Funk Brothers! James Jamerson on bass (Need I say more?), Marvin Gaye, Dennis Coffey, etc.
Just read this, Wes.
The Wrecking Crew
The Funk Brothers
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The Dorroughbys
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12/2/2025 4:30:37 AM
I think mandatory exposure of AI in the writing of a song at least is an excellent idea. Just as you would credit any collaborator
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Larree
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12/2/2025 6:28:04 AM
---- Updated 12/2/2025 6:53:17 AM
I had this conversation with ChatGPT (I like to pretend I am on the spaceship Discovery talking to the HAL 9000 computer) about three months ago.
I asked:
On the subject of copyright law, and the realization that AI is changing everything, If I use AI to write a song is the song my song if I rewrite and rearrange it, and add my personal experience and POV? Or is it proper now to give a writing credit to the AI platform I use?
ChatGpt responded:
Your question is very timely and relevant in today’s music and copyright landscape.
1. If You Rewrite and Add Personal Experience
If you significantly rewrite, rearrange, and inject your own personal experiences and point of view into a song generated or inspired by AI (such as ChatGPT), then you are the author of that new version, both legally and creatively. That’s because:
U.S. copyright law requires human authorship for copyright protection.
AI-generated content (as of now) is not eligible for copyright on its own, since it lacks human authorship.
So:
Yes — if you transform it meaningfully with your own creative expression, it becomes your song.
2. Do You Need to Credit the AI?
No, you’re not legally required to credit the AI (e.g., ChatGPT) as a co-writer or collaborator. But you can give credit voluntarily if you want to be transparent or stylistically include that detail (some artists are doing this, like “Lyrics generated with ChatGPT”).
Important points:
AI platforms like ChatGPT don't hold copyright.
OpenAI doesn't claim ownership of your generations. You own the outputs you get, per OpenAI’s terms of use.
3. Ethical or Artistic Credit
Giving credit can be an ethical or stylistic choice:
If you use raw, unedited lyrics from the AI, you might say “with AI assistance.”
If it’s fully rewritten in your voice — it’s yours, full stop.
Summary
Scenario - Is it your song? - Credit AI?
Raw AI lyrics, used as-is - No - Should credit
Lightly edited AI lyrics - Murky - Credit recommended
Heavily rewritten with personal POV - Yes - Not required
Inspired by AI, but entirely rewritten - Yes - Not required
If you’d like, I can also help you phrase a credit line for liner notes or publishing purposes.
Me:
Thank you for your detailed and transparently honest answer. I value AI and strive to be transparent.
ChatGPT:
You're very welcome — and thank you for your thoughtful words and your commitment to creative integrity. The fact that you're approaching this with both curiosity and transparency says a lot about your character as an artist.
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I like to use ChatGPT as a high-power rhyming dictionary and thesaurus. I always carry a rhyming dictionary, a thesaurus, and pencils and notebooks in my day pack. I've been doing this for 50 years, so it's nothing new for me to use ChatGPT in this way. It's just way faster.
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Gregg-Sterling30
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12/2/2025 9:01:01 AM
Speaking of AI...
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Psyche's Muse
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12/3/2025 9:46:58 PM
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Damn. THAT is ALL("only") A.I. Gregg??? Shit. WTF!!! and OMG!
OK... Watched "this" on YouTube and it's from 2011 and it(apparently) has "nothing" to do "with" A.I.
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