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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 9:25:26 AM
You Say you Want a Revolution?
Sorry to add to the political posts - but this election is just too important...
7min in - you'll know what he stands for... it's not too late - wake up folks.
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The CODE
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9/25/2008 9:38:33 AM
Just watched the whole thing!
I WISH THAT THE USA WOULD ELECT
THIS GUY AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT!
*(I'm not holding my breath!)
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Traeshy
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9/25/2008 9:39:10 AM
Good call. I can't decide whether to write in Art Linkletter or Henry Winkler (the Fonz). Do you think the Fonz could win?
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 9:44:38 AM
CODE.. seriously man - you got that right!
what's left to question,Traehsy - you'd be wasting your vote.. ;D
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srm
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9/25/2008 10:04:10 AM
Better Tim than his brother, Really.
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 10:09:37 AM
Your a Texan Steve - tell us what you Really think.
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The CODE
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9/25/2008 10:45:46 AM
Larry - :-}
Steve - :-}}
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 10:47:59 AM
... classic.
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srm
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9/25/2008 10:50:48 AM
Actually, I'm a Texan AND really leary.
Go figure.
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 10:58:59 AM
---- Updated 9/25/2008 11:00:16 AM
Oh, so then Leary is really Steve. Cool.
does that make you Ron as well.. hmmm... doesn't add up does it.
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Traeshy
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9/25/2008 11:45:59 AM
How about Charles Barkley? He'd be good. Let's all start a write-in campaign for him. Or Queen Latifah.
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 11:49:51 AM
come to think of it - why bother voting at all?.. only 30% of Americans do.
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Traeshy
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9/25/2008 11:54:12 AM
Latifah can win, let's do it!
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 12:08:50 PM
oh alright, you win!.. now move along and quit hypnotizing the state, um.. I mean page.
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The CODE
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9/25/2008 4:16:46 PM
Yeah - WE want a revolution!
(But I just ain't got the time)
Ron Paul for President? (Why NOT?)
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 4:50:03 PM
... all the while admin dosn't find it abusive. - Good Luck IAC.
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9/25/2008 4:56:14 PM
What are you referring to, Art Factory?
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The CODE
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9/25/2008 4:59:44 PM
???
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 6:15:08 PM
Toby, I realize it's a judgment call you have to make, and I also believe in freedom of speech. About 4-5 people recently voiced concerns about disrespect to listeners and station managers. Some have already left and some stay because the format and potential here for indie music is great. If I misunderstood CODE or some of these other comments, my apologies. We've gone through difficult times in the world and there are more ahead of us economically and with respect to war - if and when I see a load of B.S., and what feels like gossip in place of real issues it wrecks me to the core... does than make sense? Maybe I am overly sensitive, but I know I am not alone in that.
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9/25/2008 6:31:34 PM
There's nothing even close to moderator material on this thread, AF. Code is agreeing with you as far as I see.
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 7:13:55 PM
---- Updated 9/25/2008 9:15:29 PM
Toby, it's more of a general statement I am making, prompted by some recent threads which are related and as understood from many comments from different sources voicing similar concerns over a period of time.
Edit:
(the threads below are not related to these comments btw).. if need be I can probably pull a few sources Toby... perhaps tomorrow.
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fly on the wall
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9/25/2008 7:23:25 PM
You really are a crybaby. If you're not raving about coded messages in the new releases list you're talking about the conspiracy to intimidate station managers with no proof of anything.
I've seen you be more aggressive to people on the pipeline than practically anybody here. Add that to your own multiple identities and you really need to get a thicker skin, you raving drama queen. :~D
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AnigmaS
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9/25/2008 7:25:53 PM
I don't know, there's just something scary about the guys. maybe it's his eyes...
I dunno, but he worries me...
I could see us electing him, and then all sitting around mesmerized,
...staring at our TV's and nodding in agreement while he told us we no longer had to pay any taxes, 'cause there was a big spaceship coming to pick us all up.
Yanno, ...like that Heaven's Gate Guy.
I imagine it would probably be the National Guard's job to give us our kool aide, ...but then I could be wrong about that part of it.
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 7:33:02 PM
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okay Toby... talking to Fly boy.
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fly on the wall
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9/25/2008 7:56:17 PM
You're talking but not listening. You need to call in a lifeline. haah
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Kevin White
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9/25/2008 8:04:15 PM
---- Updated 9/25/2008 8:21:38 PM
It's not individual politicianal people, like 'em or hate 'em ... (regardless of Sarah Palin)
Individuals define their own behavior ... honest or not. (regardless of Sarah Palin)
Process defines public behavior. (regardless of Sarah Palin)
Fix the process, a.k.a. "the system" ... and you'll refine the behavior of the people who operate w/in the confines of the environmental parameters they've been given.
Ross Perot ... who wasn't able to personally handle the pressures and scrutiny of the presidential electoral process (regardless of Sarah Palin) ...
... at least was correct in pointing out that nothing would change unless there was systemic change ...
... meaning that what everyone needs to vote for is not based on who one believes is the most attractive candidate (regardless of Sarah Palin) ...
... one needs to vote for the candidate who understands that changing the infrastructure of the system itself IS the work that needs doing. (regardless of Sarah Palin ... who doesn't actually understand "democracy" ... for she believes that it's primarily for the benefit of her personal family being able to bring public force down upon those who disagree with her ... lol ... although I'll be done w/ the Palin schtick from here)
And though John McCain promises to be a "maverick" and Barack Obama vows to "change Washington" ...
Can you say, "Sure, I knew you wouldn't" ??? Of course not. Both are bought.
Ron Paul can't say much either ... but at least he's attempting the right conversation. He's a good man. He's only wacky enough to the point where he actually is paying attention to the underlying problems.
And who here has written their congress person complaining that the election process needs to be revamped from the ground up because times have changed and the whole process hasn't yet accounted for the immorality and imbalance of the monetary influence on it?
I have.
A show of hands please? C'mon ... want a revolution? Can't even pick up a fuckin' pen? You'd prefer a gun? GO NRA!!! ... except that would really suck if that's what it came to. I'd prefer a more peaceful resolution to our problems.
It takes only a minute ... perhaps less ... to rage at your favorite local congress person. They'll send you a nice form letter when you do it, but if done in bulk?
Well, in America ... that's our democracy. We're free to rant at our public servants until they pay fucking attention to what they're being ranted at for.
We pay their staff to pay attention.
So want to rant where it counts?
Do it there.
There is LOTS to talk about ... (don't get me started lol ...) ... but if you want real change ... forget the people in the system.
It's the system itself ... particularly the debts owed to those who pay for folks to get elected ... that is at the root of our governments ability to govern w/o bias towards who fed them their campaign dollars in bulk.
Change that ...
... and you change the landscape ...
... faceless politicians aside ...
I'm done with my rant now.
(Kev steps down from soapbox)
Exits stage right ...
Thank you very much! G'Nite!!!
:^D
Kev-
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 9:11:13 PM
---- Updated 9/27/2008 11:35:18 PM
"One needs to vote for the candidate who understands that changing the infrastructure of the system itself IS the work that needs doing."
Precisely... Ron Paul stands for that change, I'll second your statement of that. As for McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden I'll post a few related threads from the last few days and I hope I am done too for the moment ... I don't intend to carry forward in debate on the issues, I realize Ron Paul has a slim chance however I believe in what he stands for above all the others.
Silverwood Studio - Wall St. Crashes
Never Never Band - Section 8 of the bailout
Sterling 30 - Biden out Hilary In
Sterling 30 - Debate
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Kevin White
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9/25/2008 9:15:36 PM
Agreed ...
But if the message doesn't resonate at large ...
One person ain't going to make any diff whatsoever ... best intentions aside.
Truly sad, but true.
Hence, my real point above ... which was ...
Kev-
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Art Factory
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9/25/2008 9:24:28 PM
..write your congress person.. I believe is your point, which I have done on that topic as well as many others... even still, that does not seem effective as corrupt as the system has become.
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Conversation Suicide
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9/25/2008 11:00:24 PM
so sad. 'Cause even if RON Paul had a CHANCE, as a GOP candidate he will only be in the SHADOW of the John. DAmn! wHY can't we move to a MULTI-PARTY system that works better -- like in the UK!
-pHLeGm (fuckin' Electoral College -- GUARANTEEs we're STUCK with only the two BIG parties....ad nauseum...until REAL change/revolution happens)
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Phlegm
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9/26/2008 12:28:48 AM
Viva la revolucion !!!
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Kevin White
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9/26/2008 5:59:16 AM
I'm not certain it's as corrupt as even I believe.
What I do think is that volume over content gets more notice. If a message is repeated over and over, eventually they must pay attention.
K-
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Jerry Kabat
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9/26/2008 6:52:55 AM
I wrote my Congressman....er I mean Senator...... once about immigration and the rise in fule costs. As a matter of fact it was right after he was elected Senator, oh say about two years ago. It took about four months for him to get back to me with a form letter. On the other hand Sen. Dick Durbin had rec'd the same e-mails from his wed site and took him only three weeks to send his form letter.
I think maybe we are all being duped by all politicions.....
By the way the first Sen. was Obama, must have been to busy tring to starting his Pres. Campaign...............I repeat He has done nothing for the State of Illinois or this country......
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/26/2008 7:00:42 AM
"I realize Ron Paul has a slim chance"
Any of us has an equal chance.
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LyinDan
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9/26/2008 8:45:12 AM
Nobody's perfect :)
Ron Paul on the Issues:
* Abortion is murder. (Apr 2008)
* Roe v. Wade decision was harmful to the Constitution. (Apr 2008)
* Define life at conception in law, as scientific statement. (Feb 2008)
* Protecting the life of the unborn is protecting liberty. (Feb 2008)
* Get the federal government out of abortion decision. (Nov 2007)
* Delivered 4000 babies; & assuredly life begins at conception. (Sep 2007)
* Sanctity of Life Act: remove federal jurisdiction. (Sep 2007)
* Nominate only judges who refuse to legislate from the bench. (Sep 2007)
* Save "snowflake babies": no experiments on frozen embryos. (Sep 2007)
* No tax funding for organizations that promote abortion. (Sep 2007)
* Embryonic stem cell programs not constitionally authorized. (May 2007)
* Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
* Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
* Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
* Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother?s life. (Oct 2003)
* Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
* Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
* Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
* Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
* Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
* No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Rated 56% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)
* Replace Medicaid with volunteer pro-bono medical care. (Apr 2008)
* Private medical savings accounts, not government meddling. (Apr 2008)
* Insurance companies & gov't make healthcare unaffordable. (Oct 2007)
* Transfer funds from debt & empire-building to healthcare. (Oct 2007)
* Socialized medicine won't work; nor managed care. (Oct 2007)
* Managed care is expensive and hasn't worked. (Sep 2007)
* Oppose mandated health insurance and universal coverage. (Sep 2007)
* Not government's role to protect people like Terri Schiavo. (Sep 2007)
* Insurance reward for avoiding tobacco, alcohol, obesity. (Sep 2007)
* Voted NO on giving mental health full equity with physical health. (Mar 2008)
* Voted NO on Veto override: Extend SCHIP to cover 6M more kids. (Jan 2008)
* Voted NO on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility. (Oct 2007)
* Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Jan 2007)
* Voted NO on denying non-emergency treatment for lack of Medicare co-pay. (Feb 2006)
* Voted NO on limiting medical malpractice lawsuits to $250,000 damages. (May 2004)
* Voted NO on limited pre_scription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
* Voted YES on allowing reimportation of pre_scription drugs. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on small business associations for buying health insurance. (Jun 2003)
* Voted NO on capping damages & setting time limits in medical lawsuits. (Mar 2003)
* Voted NO on subsidizing private insurance for Medicare Rx drug coverage. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)
* Abolish federal Medicare entitlement; leave it to states. (Dec 2000)
* Limit anti-trust lawsuits on health plans and insurers. (Mar 2002)
* Rated 56% by APHA, indicating a mixed record on public health issues. (Dec 2003)
* Prohibit mandatory mental health screen for students. (May 2007)
* Expand medical savings accounts for employers & individuals. (Feb 1999)
* Abolish Social Security, but not overnight. (Jan 2008)
* Let people get out of Social Security; it's a failure. (Jan 2008)
* Never voted to spend one penny of Social Security money. (Dec 2007)
* Allow young people to get out of the system. (Oct 2007)
* Personal retirement accounts allow investing in one's future. (Sep 2007)
* Federal government won't keep its entitlement promises. (Mar 2007)
* Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable. (May 2001)
* Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
* Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)
* Create personal retirement accounts within Social Security. (Jul 2000)
* Sponsored bill to put Trust Fund into market certificates. (Jan 2003)
* Rated 30% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Big Oil profits ok; Big Oil subsidies are not. (Jun 2007)
* Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (Jun 2008)
* Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
* Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
* Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
* Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
* Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
* Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
* Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
* Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
* Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
* Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006)
* School prayer is not a federal issue. (Apr 2008)
* Private funds for arts work better than government funds. (Apr 2008)
* Close Dept. of Education, but don't dismantle public schools. (Dec 2007)
* Encourage homeschooling & private school via tax writeoff. (Dec 2007)
* Don't impeach judges for decisions on legislature prayers. (Sep 2007)
* Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
* Equal funds for abstinence as contraceptive-based education. (Sep 2007)
* Tax-credited programs for Christian schooling. (Sep 2007)
* Guarantee parity for home school diplomas. (Sep 2007)
* Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on "God" in Pledge of Allegiance. (Jul 2006)
* Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
* Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
* Voted NO on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
* Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
* Abolish the federal Department of Education. (Dec 2000)
* Sponsored bill for private scholarships to public schools. (Feb 2003)
* Rated 67% by the NEA, indicating a mixed record on public education. (Dec 2003)
* Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
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Many of these are rather awkward backward policies.
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Art Factory
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9/26/2008 9:37:17 AM
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Thank you Lyin Dan for posting some of Ron Paul's voting records. Although you may not agree on specific votes yes or no .. people should base their opinions from an understanding of his overall platform.. For example although I may not agree on some of his votes re: oil.. during the time of his vote there were most likely reasons relating to foreign policy. Paul consistently votes for smaller government, he currently serves on the house committee on Financial Services and the House committee on Foreign Affairs which is crucial in the experience needed for the most important issues facing the nation and our world, that being economy and the ending of wars.
Here's a fairly decent interview giving more background from an overall perspective.
He is considered a champion of the constitution because he will always stand for the original constitution of which our country was founded upon.
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Art Factory
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9/27/2008 10:06:10 AM
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Here's a recent video on the flaws of the bailout plan and the hazard of the attempt to fix prices versus letting them correct naturally in the free market at the Congressional Hearing today (9/24/08). Ron also questions Bernanke's authority and constitutionality of using the printing press to generate all this extra money needed for the bailout.
Contact your representatives if you don't want this plan!
btw Ron Paul ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988 - background on his consistent platform for less government...
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Kevin White
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9/27/2008 10:22:47 AM
I'm for less government too.
But I'm 100% totally, fully and vehemently against some of his stances on issues ... being pro-choice, keeping with complete separation of church and state ... etc ...
... although I DO agree with portions of his position -- like states rights -- as he takes those stances.
Yet, on the whole ... I would not support his platform. He needs softer positions on hardball issues.
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Art Factory
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9/27/2008 11:51:03 AM
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While these are important topics I feel the single most important issues facing the nation are with foreign policy, and our economy.
FYI - Ron Paul is pro-life based on direct experience as an obstercian delivering over 4,000 children. One of his primary objections is with the federal government making these decisions. Watch the video to understand the bases of his platform effecting this issue, as well as most issues casting vote for less federal interference with respect to life.
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/27/2008 6:06:45 PM
What a waste of space.
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Art Factory
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9/29/2008 12:14:27 PM
Purposed Bailout supported by Obama and McCain will cause prolonged devaluation of the dollar for the next 10 yrs vs. 1yr recession.
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Art Factory
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9/29/2008 12:39:23 PM
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Art Factory
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10/1/2008 10:35:59 PM
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The Federal Reserve and the history of the U.S. monetary system .....
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Art Factory
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10/17/2008 7:57:10 AM
There's so much going on in our world today and I am really glad we've had the opportunity to hash out some of our differing perspectives.
As a general statement about community on the net I often relate our interaction on a small scale to the large scale issues of life. Our online communities are great opportunities to explore the human element and so often I find great inspiration in this medium of communication. We've seen a number of changes occur on this site over the years. I believe since the add of the pipeline a sense of community has developed that may seem relatively small but I believe as ideas are exchanged and expressed there is opportunity for a larger outreach within our various forms of art but also through our relationships in our physical communities.
Politics aside, we are moving into a new way of exchange across the world unlike any time in history. If I could nominate the IAC thread of the year it would be Tatania's recent post, SuperPuss - This could be the most important thing you see.. for even though we have our differences, for the most part we were able to express them with a sense of respect and diplomacy. That is encouraging for if we can do that here, and in our communities imagine the ripple effect that has across the world.
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Cat Ize
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10/17/2008 1:13:18 PM
i like him too but i cant see the numbers for him yet and would hate to see him wind up a spoiler for ousting the republicans
peace
cat
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Charlie Thomas
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10/17/2008 1:38:34 PM
I can't vote but if I could he'd get mine too
T Bone
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Art Factory
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10/17/2008 4:25:33 PM
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I certainly wish more people would take an interest with our rights to vote because so much of our liberties have been robbed from us. Ron Paul ran on the Republican ticket this time round, but for me it's not about which party as much as the importance for liberty and respect for people's freedoms world-wide. There really is no chance Paul or a 3rd party will be elected this time round I feel; however, that will not stop my vote and it's important to consider what he stands for with respect to less government, economy and philosophy towards foreign policy. After watching Zeitgeist and contemplating our exchanges it occurred to me, even as important as the election and the presidency is.. there is a sense that change will naturally occur through synergy - perhaps unseen as we shift our thoughts and place of being from self oriented points of view towards an expanded, co-operative, symbiotic relationship with our surroundings and communities world-wide ... that's my view of utopia, :-) however it's one which is inclusive to each person in their right to live their lives according to their purpose, which can only be defined by them.
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