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fly on the wall
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4/6/2016 7:38:56 AM
on the reluctance to speak
I've been thinking about this a little, about honesty on the internet. particularly in regards to artist/songwriters. A friend of mine constantly prehypes his music on another site. But it isn't really that. He just believes in it, some might call him naive but what's so wrong about saying how you feel? I see the forces conspiring against his good nature, the rage directed at his belief. Why does there have to be a backlash based on unwritten rules about how people should keep their enthusiasm under their vest?
There's another artist who speaks out a lot. Has put out some pretty great songs of late, yet he's not being added to stations, I'm pretty certain this has nothing to do with his music.
There used to be this artist here who had the opposite effect (he's no longer around), his songwriting was generally average but everyone loved him, he was the best schmoozer I've ever seen, to this day. It's really a difficult quandry, what kind of persona artists should have in social media. In one sense they'd probably succeed more if they played their cards better, but getting out there and being a part of the fray is surely more fun than caring about that crap.
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Two Silo Complex
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4/6/2016 7:50:01 AM
To some people when a person hypes the music they come across as boastful which turns people off. Its hard to find a balance between believing in yourself and coming across in a way that is over the top. I guess some have a natural knack for it.
As far as the backlash that is an unfortunate state of society where the internet grants a level of being anonymous that seems to allow people to behave in ways they might not in person.
As far as my music goes I won't lie its nice to get station adds but what is more important to me is the connection with the listener. If the song finds one listener who truly loves it that to me is the greatest reward.
TSC,
Ken
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fly on the wall
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4/6/2016 7:53:57 AM
About anonymity allowing people to behave differently, I see it as making a closer connection with being able to speak what's on your mind which I rate as a good thing.
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Two Silo Complex
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4/6/2016 8:19:45 AM
It could be it it was used for that purpose. Unfortunately people generally uses it to hide behind the screen and attack others in a manner that I doubt they would do if sitting face to face.
In general I find that some of society has devolved to a cave man like state where they go around hitting people of the head with clubs because the internet hides their own shortcomings and makes it possible to be rude mean and sometime just nasty when in real life they likely would not venture into those waters.
If people find it easier to discuss things they might be too shy about in real life that is a nice tool but I don't see it used that way too often.
TSC,
Ken
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fly on the wall
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4/6/2016 8:38:52 AM
but wouldn't you rather know what people really think?
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Two Silo Complex
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4/6/2016 8:53:46 AM
If that is what they truly think then I have no issue with it they can say what they will within the bounds of the law. If the internet allows them to express themselves more freely then they might do in person I have no issue with it.
If they are using the internet just to be mean which I see often then in my opinion the troll should have stayed under the bridge.
TSC,
Ken
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Noah Spaceship
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4/6/2016 10:55:26 AM
I'm going to let you in on some very special mojo you can pass on to "your friends"
What people think of you is none of your fucking business.
Carry on, pussies.
:)
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Two Silo Complex
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4/6/2016 11:32:58 AM
Well Noah the question was not should be know what others think of us but rather why is it that the internet seems to spawn such tendencies to be rude, crass, nasty, and just plain mean where if you had the some conversation they would bite their tongue and never dare say what they do online.
I've had my share of rocks, bricks, and ticking time bombs, thrown in my lap with a grenade to boot. They will say what they say Ill send a little bird (my middle finger) their way.
Anyway fly if the internet allows you to share things you can't in person and allows you freedoms you think you don't have in real life that is a good thing if you use it that way.
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Noah Spaceship
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4/6/2016 11:49:27 AM
---- Updated 4/6/2016 11:50:40 AM
I find it interesting how differently interpreted the meaning of fly's post was taken by you and I, Ken.
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Larree
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4/6/2016 11:50:36 AM
---- Updated 4/6/2016 11:51:49 AM
Forget about anonymous trolls. I got attacked on farceboook the other day by someone I have known since the fucktarded shit was a teenager! Got all nazi with me over politics and then started posting private personal crap out there. Had to unfriend the fool.
But regarding music promo. There is so much music out there now that you have to find a way to cut through it, but as much as we creators believe in our creations, music is still subjective and the only opinions that count are the opinions of the individual listeners. And claiming to be the best only invites skepticism and criticism.
It's like food. whenever I see a sign at a restaurant claiming to have the "best" food, whatever they may be serving, I am always skeptical. And rarely do I leave a place like that agreeing with the claim.
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Noah Spaceship
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4/6/2016 11:53:35 AM
Again, Larree singing my sentiments.
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Two Silo Complex
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4/6/2016 12:14:55 PM
Well larree Ill pose a question to you that stoneman did before.
If you don't believe in yourself who the "F" else will?
But I do agree with you that saying "the best" since its done so often may get you more ignored than reward.
I also agree with you on your statement of screw the trolls.
It does validate my point that I doubt this person you had an encounter with on facebook would had had the same reaction in person or maybe they are just a f tard as you called it and would in real life.
The internet gives this sense of boldness that is not seen in real life because they can hide behind a screen.
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Noah Spaceship
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4/6/2016 12:26:48 PM
I will sum up this whole post right here:
Who gives a fuck what other people think?
If you believe in what you are doing, you don't need to hide anonymously, and you don't need to puff your chest and claim your awesomeness. And if some fucktard gets froggy with you on FB, which happens ALL the time, whether they would say or do that shit to your face in 'real life' makes absolutely no difference and certainly has no bearing on whether or not you are worthy.
Be true to thyself and the rest will work itself out.
simple AF
ps - fly actually did ask about whether or not one would want to know what 'they really think'.
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Larree
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4/6/2016 12:48:22 PM
Regarding Stoneman's question. You most definitely have to believe in yourself!
But promotion is not about belief. Promotion is all about numbers. All you can do is ask a lot of people to listen. And with all the choices out there you can't expect them to listen. At the end of the day, your art is just a pair of dice and promotion is a craps table. Your roll.
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Two Silo Complex
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4/6/2016 12:48:23 PM
Noah I stand corrected on your last point "fly actually did ask about whether or not one would want to know what 'they really think'"
You have a fine point with what you say who cares what others think in person or online.
What I see is that people online tend to be ever more 'f tards" as laree put it that they are in real life and use the internet as a platform to beat others over the head.
Its a shame but its a reality of social media that really brought people to a new low.
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Father Time
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4/6/2016 10:23:00 PM
Speaking of self-belief and promo, I'm releasing a song here at 10 am or so assuming I'm awake then that I believe is the most sensational thing to hit indie music in years.
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