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fly on the wall
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2/26/2008 9:26:58 AM
Fishing. Is it fish killing?
There's something cruel about it but I do love to eat the fish.
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Magnetfisch
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2/26/2008 10:18:20 AM
"It's OK eat fish 'cause they
Don't have any feelings"
Nirvana - Something In The Way
On a less lyrical & musical note, when consuming fish, it's important to carefully select the species, in order to avoid overfishing the seas any further:
http://www.worldwildlife.org/act/popup2.html
cheers from Switzerland
Magnetfisch
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Fiona
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2/26/2008 10:38:34 AM
if fish die it is killing if fish go back to water more cruel I think . good to eat fish for brain more than meat To fish is sad I think for fisher
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Fiona
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2/26/2008 11:21:07 AM
you have good brain now I think Laree. People with no fish have miss some important part and some in meat but no so much I think
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Steve Ison
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2/26/2008 12:53:00 PM
Don't fish normally eat you, fly ?
;)
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fly on the wall
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2/26/2008 1:00:44 PM
No, I'm far too quick for those dumb fish to catch me. You're thinking of our sluggish cousin, the waterbug.
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BJ
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2/26/2008 2:16:00 PM
Can a bug be slug-gish?
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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2/26/2008 2:23:28 PM
Do fish---------- or flies go to heaven?
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2/26/2008 3:58:42 PM
I eat meat ! there we go, i just came right out and said it... I EAT MEAT....big meat,small meat,round meat,square meat but mostly dead meat...I don't mind vegetarians,in fact some of my best friends are vegies but they are pretty dull to go out for a meal with and as for vegans !...nothing against vegans but enough said,just don't go to a restaurant with them ,it's a hellish experience....Anyway...i think i came on here to talk about fish..oooh the lovely little fishies swimming around the pond...hmmmm yum yum they taste lovely after they've been battered and then fried in batter...they don't feel a thing..dem fishies are stupid and love being caught...don't they ?...hmmm fish and chips hmmmm...anyway, i digress...getting back to vegetarians, what really annoys me about them are the ones who say "i don't eat meat but i do eat fish"..it's still bloody meat/flesh/blood..ISN'T IT !!!!!!?????....ooooh i feel better now i've got that off my chest...
Time fish puns;
have you heard that new record by Pike & Tuna Turner ? = Salmon enchanted evening...the b side is..Whale meat again & the follow up is...there's a Plaice for us...
I apologise for this comment of mine and the terrible puns....the Goldfish made me do it...........
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2/26/2008 5:58:51 PM
I eat meat too... it's usually attached to the man I love
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fly on the wall
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2/26/2008 6:19:38 PM
Does it hang from his belt? :~D
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2/26/2008 6:22:17 PM
like candy... hahahaha yeah
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The Man With No Band
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2/26/2008 6:30:30 PM
Fishing. Is it fish killing?
That's based entirely upon what one is fishing for ... isn't it ? ... :)
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2/26/2008 6:34:23 PM
We are all fishing for something whether it be compliments, pudding, enlightenment, knowledge, and of course... fish. To each their own. I think it is offensive to condemn anyone for eating meat, I once had a really good friend that was a cucumber that ended up in a salad.
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The Man With No Band
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2/26/2008 6:34:26 PM
...and if it's fish.... then it's still not killing unless you actually catch the damn thing .... :)
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No Rhythm
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2/27/2008 1:13:35 AM
I'm hearing ya Sam
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Larry W Johnson_
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2/27/2008 1:56:21 AM
this may seem like a whale of a statement, but
....i'm getting hooked on this thread.... he he
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Larry Killip
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2/27/2008 2:52:31 AM
If there is no-one there to catch the fish.................is it really there.
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RedRobin
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2/27/2008 3:35:43 AM
As I now live on the coast I sometimes fish from the beach.
Any fish I catch are either instantly killed by me if I'm going to eat them, or carefully unhooked and gently returned to the sea if I'm not going to eat them. Before taking them home to eat I gut them and toss the guts into the sea to feed the other creatures there.
If I catch too many I give them away to my neighbours (which may have something to do with the fact they never compalin about my noise!).
One of my best friends, Hoot (same guy who plays guitars etc but won't record or play in front of strangers) is an expert fly fisherman and I met him through fishing. Hoot has fished all his life (he's local born and bred) and has caught the same fish in a lake many times - Hence proving that the fish don't sufffer if caught and returned properly. He fishes for sport and makes his own flies as well as sea fishing.
I don't seem to get much time for fishing nowadays.
When I kill a fish I say a silent short prayer just to say thanks for the gift of its life for my food. I have killed other creatures at various times - Either purely to eat or to end their misery if injured and suffering beyond help.
Sometimes someone will come along while I'm fishing and watch. And when I get a fish on the line they get excited. But then when I kill it and there's blood, they become horrified! I then usually politely ask them if they eat fish and if they say yes, I ask them what the problem is then? Supermarkets disguise fish (and meat) so people are so out of touch and become ignorant.
Fresh roadkill can be tasty too - Had a small deer last summer. That doesn't make me a Bambi murderer!!
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Pulse Eternal
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2/27/2008 3:54:43 AM
Larree wrote - "I do not dig people telling me what I should or should not eat. God put fish and meat on Earth for us to eat. If you choose to not eat it, that is your right. I would never try to force filet mignon on a vegan. So, don't force your tofu wannabe burger on me! I'll take filet mignon medium rare!"
Absolutely Larree!!! I'm a medium-rare kinda girl too! Tender and juicy.... mmmmmmm.... now I'm hungry!
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Jo Ellen
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2/27/2008 7:27:46 AM
You want to eat fish...eat fish! But, it is our responsibility not to exploit any creature, especially not for the sake of greed. Balance people, balance.
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RedRobin
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2/27/2008 7:40:58 AM
....You're right, Jo. Balance is all important.
The worst culprits are the huge 'factory' ships that scoop up everything and also governments who insist that perfectly good fish such as North Sea Cod have to be wasted back in the sea already dead just because of set quotas.
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fly on the wall
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2/27/2008 7:53:42 AM
Okay, follow up question. Do fish taste better after you catch them? I ask this because even though I haven't gone fishing in 15 years, I remember back in the days when I did, those bluegills and sunnies tasted so good that I brought home and my mom cleaned and cooked up. They don't sell fish like that in the restaurant, do they?
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RedRobin
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2/27/2008 8:22:48 AM
Hi Fly - Yes, fish always seem to taste better when very fresh (unlike meat which needs to hang). Fish tastes even better if you marinate it in something simple for a few hours before cooking.
They say that house guests are like fish - They begin to stink after 3 days! :)
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fly on the wall
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2/27/2008 8:30:08 AM
I throw my houseguests back in the water after 2 hours. :~D
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srm
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2/27/2008 8:58:35 AM
Good. You don't want them to get too acclimated to the out of water environment.
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satch
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2/27/2008 10:08:23 AM
I read this thread hook line and sinker and I will not rise to the bait :)
Seriously though, fish is fantastic food. And I have never yet heard of a fisherman that tortured his catch - unlike most of our governments!
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srm
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2/27/2008 10:23:31 AM
Except for those nitwits who fish with dynamite.
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RedRobin
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2/27/2008 11:30:49 AM
....Agreed srm - Dynamite = Massacre and has no justification in my opinion.
I was once told by a Native friend that when you leave this earth you will go through a stage where you sat surrounded by a circle of Spirits of all those whose lives you have taken. You had better have justification for having done so!! Whether you believe that or not the point is simply do unto others as you would have done to yourself (and that human and animal life is equal).
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Jo Ellen
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2/27/2008 11:33:45 AM
On a personal level, I dislike the taste and smell of seafood. i liked to fish when i was little, but i would always throw the fish back. As I got older i realized that i was harming fish for no apparent reason. I no longer fish as a personal choice.
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srm
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2/27/2008 12:22:29 PM
To RedRobin - I've heard that story, myself. I think that it's a great way of keeping things in perspective. Humans aren't better or higher on the scale of things to the other animals. In some ways, we come up short.
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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2/27/2008 12:40:25 PM
fresh flouder are hard to beat-------from the net to the pan-----killed and gutted ---in 15 minutes-----sometimes they jump out of the pan!!
I guess I'll get a grilling from those guys when my time comes!
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srm
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2/27/2008 12:42:45 PM
I feel a fish fry coming on. Everybody to my place for catfish! Damn the cholesterol!
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2/27/2008 12:46:21 PM
Red Robin,
I wonder if I'll score any points in that realm you speak of for taking a failing grade in Biology because I refused to make a bug collection for humanitarian reasons?
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fly on the wall
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2/27/2008 12:52:34 PM
You refused to make a bug collection?
I respect that. :~D
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RedRobin
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2/27/2008 1:04:31 PM
Silverwood - I don't know for certain of course but I reckon you'll be fine because you ate the flounder. If you just left them on the beach it would probably be a different story - Totally unecessary killing.
FatherTime - I reckon you'd 'score plus points' but again, I don't know until I get there (assuming it to be so!).
It's mostly consideration and respect for other life and common sense I reckon. Only take what you need and try not to waste life. We are only human though.
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2/27/2008 1:19:41 PM
Bugs are good...although a bit scary...people have often said that i am bug eyed but i just think they are trying to be nice to me...
Father Time...it's good to see you being humane to the bugs even though we all know that given half a chance they'd be chewing on us like crazy,chomping away on our remains like nobody's business with there little feelers feeling away,slithering all over us in an incredibly unempathatic way,chattering with each other in that clicking type talk that they do,telling there fellow bugs where the best munchy bits of flesh are....ugh...i would go on but i am just about to vomit after reading this back...i am sick...i need help..........
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srm
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2/27/2008 1:33:38 PM
Hey, once I'm dead, they can have my 'shell'. Part of the cycle.
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Jo Ellen
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2/27/2008 1:47:21 PM
I compltetly agree that bugs don't think about how cruel it is when they bite us and give us fatal diseases. But, hey it's a bugs life out there. A dog-eat-dog world... Ok I'll stop. I've never been accused of being completely sane, and my family thinks it's hilarious when I try to free butterflies from glass houses etc....I just know that it is important for me to be myself and be prepared to accept the convictions of others. So go ahead and eat up, splatter bugs, and deal with the fact that I don't! LOL. Good stuff. Oh but hey--- what exactly IS recycled toilet paper?
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fly on the wall
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2/27/2008 2:46:32 PM
---- Updated 2/27/2008 2:49:06 PM
What is all this negativity towards bugs, Mr Great Indoors? As if humans are so perfect! Ever watch yourselves having sex? I have and I will never fly into a bedroom again. I prefer the kitchen where the moms occasionally bake a tasty pie.
On the other hand, we bugs do it in mid air, it's perfectly magical.
We have a name for folks like you.
Hatas. :~D
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Tony Vani and Debbie Hoskin
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2/27/2008 3:21:02 PM
Red Robin: I have read that most fish thrown back into the water after having their throat punctured etc do not survive, despite what anglers and fisherman believe. They swim away and then die. (no matter how nicely you remove the hook) So you might as well just cook them up and eat them or feed them to your cat. deb
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2/27/2008 4:19:27 PM
That's the problem Mr Fly, i watch myself all the time having sex all on my own, i practise alot on my own & i'm still useless at it...in truth i've actually been told i'm really good in bed ...i snuggle under the covers,get all cosy and i'm out like a light not a peep out of me until the morning !.....anyway, i digress Mr Fly and apologise if i have bugged you in any way or arachannoyed you,i will be preying to the mantis for forgiveness....i have run out of bug puns.....goodnight Mr Fly...swat will bee will bee.....
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Steve Ison
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2/27/2008 4:27:59 PM
All this talk of bugs made me think of this song..
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2/27/2008 7:04:37 PM
Steve has inspired me to post this as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBkyaJqQ-50
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2/27/2008 7:13:42 PM
Sorry... ( sheepish )
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dances
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2/27/2008 7:46:38 PM
Fish killing. Yes I hate to eat them when they are still alive. All things considered (and i just returned from fishing the sea of cortez). We caught and released. The caught fish were consumed and scraps fed to the pelicans. The local restaurants purchased a couple and served them fresh that night. I love fish, fishing and offering the leftover back to nature to reproduce.
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dances
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2/27/2008 7:46:39 PM
Fish killing. Yes I hate to eat them when they are still alive. All things considered (and i just returned from fishing the sea of cortez). We caught and released. The caught fish were consumed and scraps fed to the pelicans. The local restaurants purchased a couple and served them fresh that night. I love fish, fishing and offering the leftover back to nature to reproduce.
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2/28/2008 9:41:27 AM
(Henry Limpet) : What if I told you I used to be a human being?
(Ladyfish) : I don't care how terrible your past was, Limpet.
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( Bessie Limpet) : Henry, am I the widow of a man or the wife of a fish?
(Henry Limpet) : Well, let's be logical, Bessie. You can't very well keep me in the bathtub, can you?
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( Henry Limpet) : I wish, I wish I were a fish.
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(Henry Limpet) : Do you suppose that we could just be more or less friends?
(Ladyfish) : Friends? But wouldn't that be more or less nothing, Limpet?
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(Henry Limpet) : Doesn't it kind of give you a thrill of hope, George?
(George Stickel) : Hope for what, Henry?
(Henry Limpet) : Well, with the war in Europe and new weapons being invented all the time, why, what if men were actually foolish enough to destroy themselves completely? Then, you see, the fish in the ocean would develop into a new race of men, and, well, this time they might turn out better, you see?
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The Man With No Band
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2/28/2008 10:22:34 AM
O.K. .... since this fish thread keeps popping up to the top ... I figure it's time for a fish story ... (I have hundreds of them but I'll just give ya one) ... :)
This one is in honor of my good friend and fishing partner Jim, who is no longer with us .. Man I miss Jim ...
I grew up in Kansas ... we have all kinds of fish there and I have had the pleasure of fishing for most of them ... but my favorite fishing has always been going after the Monster sized catfish ... Usually we fish for them at night because that's when these big lunkers like to feed ... I fished a lot with my good friend Jim and Jim Loved to fish ALL the time ... He also liked to "noodle" (hope I spelled that right)... The big cats feed at night but in the daytime hours they love to burrow out a hole in the side of the river bank and lay in the mud, usually just a few feet under the surface ... Noodling involves either wading in the river or reaching down from the bank into these holes and letting these big fish clamp down on your arm and pulling them out of the water ... It's kind of neat because these fish are lazy and you can reach in and run your hand along their sides to see how large they are and you can even pat them on the head a bit and they usually just stay put ... but a fish being a fish can't resist trying to eat your hand when you put it up in front of their mouths ...
Now when a fish is in the water he is very, VERY strong and if he is large he can easily drown a man ... so I learned early that one should have a good grip on a large root or a tree branch or something solid on the bank, BEFORE one sticks his hand into one of these holes. Anyway, Jim and I were noodling along the little Arkansas River one day and Jim got a hold of a Flathead that probably weighed in excess of 60 lbs. (make that a flathead got a hold of Jim ! hee hee ) That fish took off upstream and yanked Jim right along with him ... Catfish will roll in the water going deep with their prey and then come back to the surface before going down again ... It was funny after the whole ordeal was over but at the time I just knew that fish was gonna drown ol' Jim ... time and time again that fish came to the surface and I'd see Jim grab a quick breath before he and that catfish went rolling and disappearing again beneath the murky water ... I tried getting to him but they just kept getting farther away from me ... finally about a hundred yards upstream Jim somehow got free ... he didn't have much skin left on his arm from the elbow down to his fingers and he had swallowed a whole lot of that river but he was alive ... about a week later Jim showed up at my house with a new leather glove he had designed that went clear up past his elbow ... and he grinned and said ..."Let's go fishin'" !
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Steve Ison
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2/28/2008 10:24:11 AM
I love that Tom Waits presented video Anjuli..Its like doing a university course on insects in 3 minutes-with them just extracting all the best bits from the syllabus!
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2/28/2008 11:54:56 AM
hahaha, funny Sam.
btw if y'all didn't know, Tom Waits has a page here at IAC.
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Beth Fridinger
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3/17/2008 5:53:02 AM
When I was a kid we used to always go fishing...one weekend my dad and I caught 31 stripers...this was on Cape Cod at Sandy Neck Beach in Sandwich. I spent many weekends as a child fishing with my family and my cousins. When I became a mom, I remember getting up one morning in the pouring rain at 4am by myself to go fishing in the Cape Cod Canal while my mom, dad baby, and my husband were sleeping...to don my wading boots and cast at 4 in the morning! One time I was with my family and a friend caught a huge bass, and he was clubbing it...suddenly switched in my head that day and I stopped fishing...I've always eaten fish...I stopped eating red meat and chicken for about 20 years...but ate fish...now I will eat fish, chicken, and I don't buy red meat but occasionally I will eat it when it is served to me. I've always tried to eat healthy most of the time.
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Black Velvet Lace
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3/17/2008 6:32:36 AM
I'm with you Jo, we have a cottage and I used to fish as a kid. Until one day when I was working the hook out of the fish's mouth to toss it back I realized the poor thing's mouth was being ripped apart and there was no *fish doctor* to help it out once I threw it back.
::Can't even watch people fish for sport since that day::
xox
~Lace~
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