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Auset
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12/3/2008 6:58:47 AM
London Musicians Must Give Police Swathes Of Personal Information To Perform Live... is this TRUE???
A friend sent me a LINK to this article... I was SHOCKED (to say the least)... just wondering if this is TRUE???
London Musicians Must Give Police Swathes Of Personal Information To Perform Live?Eight page form will detail names, aliases, private addresses, phone numbers of all musicians and ethnic background of the likely audience
Musicians and performers in London will soon be required by law to complete and hand over to police an eight page form detailing all their personal information and the ethnic background of their audience if they want to perform.
The information will be collected by venue owners and managers throughout the city, who will have to adhere to the process should they wish to promote live music.
Failure to comply with the information demanded on Form 696 could mean the loss of a licence or even a fine and imprisonment, reports the London Independent.
Police quietly introduced the legislation in 2006, and have recently defended it, saying they need the details in order to ensure safety and "identify troublemakers".
Groups of musicians and promoters have slammed the move, suggesting that it will harm the live music scene and encourages venues to effectively spy on patrons. Others have described the bureaucratic process as a form of racial discrimination. There are also fears that the legislation will be applied throughout the country if it is accepted in the capital.
The Musicians' Union is consulting lawyers over the invasion of privacy, while another group, UK Music is seeking a judicial review.
As with most recent legislative erosions of civil liberties, form 696 is a phenomenon of the culture of fear our governments have consistently fashioned and promoted over the past decade. In a post 9/11 / post 7/7 world, everyone is treated as a suspect until proven otherwise, especially if you have brown skin and a foreign sounding name.
Musicians and performers are no exception.
Take the case of The Clash tribute band member Mike Devine who was arrested at his office in Bristol and taken away for questioning after he sent an SMS text message containing lyrics from the song Tommy Gun to his lead singer who had forgotten the words.
The message read:
"How about this for Tommy Gun? OK - SO LET'S AGREE ABOUT THE PRICE AND MAKE IT ONE JET AIRLINER AND TEN PRISONERS"
A terrorism analyst told reporters that the interception provided proof that Britain's spy teams at GCHQ were actively monitoring all vocal and textual mobile phone traffic.
That was 2004, now in 2008 the British Government has openly announced that it wants to make that very practice lawful.
In a similar incident, Harraj Mann was reported to the British airport police for listening to a Clash record in a taxi on the way to the airport. The weasel driver was so frightened by some of the lyrics that he took them as a rallying call for a terrorist attack.
Of course it is unlikely that the police or the government will raise an eyebrow to the mindless gibberish passing for lyrical content in the majority of musical performers' work.
Ask yourself, who is more likely to be classed as the "troublemaker"? Will it be the performers who sing endlessly about money, bling and easy girls or will it be those who wish to address real issues and make their audiences think about more than the pursuit of expensive baubles and trinkets?
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Andy Broad
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12/3/2008 7:15:55 AM
If that is true it's the first I've heard of it.
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Auset
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12/3/2008 8:01:18 AM
Yeah, I have never heard of such a thing... nor mention by UK friends, but the very idea killed me... so I had to ask.
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Andy Broad
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12/3/2008 8:26:12 AM
I did some research, and found the actual document, you'll notice it makes no reference to ethnic background of the target, but it does ask what the target audience is (Birthday Prty is mentioned as an example), genre is not mentioned, but it does ask for details on promoters, artistes , acts etc. It seems to be a risk assessment form for large events. Somebodies got it into their head that it's aimed at all events from a pub gig upwards. I could find nothing to suggest that apart from the linked article and the original article in the online "independent".
document is on this page
It's only 4 pages, loing one of which is an after event debrief, so that really only 3.
The Musicians Union site make no mention of it, and considering the fuss they made other the recent change in licensing laws, if they perceived it to be a genuine issue they would be screaming!
I suspect it's something to keep an I on, but the article auset was sent is mostly paranoia (of course just because I'm paranoid doesn;t mean ... could apply....)
It's possible they (the Met Police) may have modified the form due to protest.
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Auset
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12/3/2008 9:32:53 AM
Thanks for checking further. I certainly didn't want to throw out incorrect info...
Yikes... one just never knows these days.
Thanks!
BTW, thanks for stopping by a few days ago and listening in again... I really appreciate it.
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Black Velvet Lace
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12/3/2008 7:40:32 PM
Auset, I'll ask Rachel. maybe she will fill us in.
xox
~Lace~
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12/4/2008 8:04:37 AM
None of it would suprise me at all. This is what you get with big government.... hmmm..... maybe we could say.... the bigger the government, the less freedom/liberty?
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Paul groover
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12/4/2008 9:49:39 AM
Please insert id card before entering this venue. Sorry you have already one infraction according to our database access denied.
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