The turning point of the election came today. John McCain couldn't answer the question of how many houses he owns. by Holo Lukaloa on The Pipeline at IndieMusicPeople

The turning point of the election came today. John McCain couldn't answer the question of how many houses he owns.

This is the first time I've seen the full media raise their eyebrows. Teflon John is done for. Also he's gone to the well with his prison camp sob story so often it's not going to get him out of jail free anymore.

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Slim Jim

8/22/2008 1:45:28 AM

I think they're mostly condos, most investments, and all that probably fit together inside Obama's Mansion with room to spare. That's the one he bought below market price as another form of kickback for other favors..

Yes sir.., this sure is the turning point in the election alright..

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Holo Lukaloa

8/22/2008 8:02:02 PM

He spent 273,000 on just house servants last year. Finally his free ride with the press is over.

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Slim Jim

8/22/2008 9:10:44 PM

Correction, his wife has all the money and she spent $273,000 on her hired help.

Tell me braintrust, would those people who were paid that money be better off without jobs? Just what color is the sky in your world anyway Holo?

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Steve Hannigay

8/23/2008 12:43:41 AM ---- Updated 8/23/2008 12:45:54 AM

"Finally his free ride with the press is over."

Surely I don't need to point out that Obama got the free ride of all time, and still enjoys it, for the most part.

I do agree with you though about going to the well with the POW story. Just let it be there as background, no need for McCain to ever bring it up, as people know about it already, and it works well for him.

While it would be nice to see a young president, the inexperience factor has been troubling, and the selection of Biden really does help allay that. Now no matter who wins, we will be tough, which we need to be.

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Holo Lukaloa

8/23/2008 6:27:14 AM ---- Updated 8/23/2008 6:28:10 AM

"Obama got the free ride of all time"

That's the Republican party line but nothing could be further from the truth. Blogs and the internet are part of the media too and no candidate in the history of the world has had to deal with more bullshit manufactured rumors than Obama. 15% of the people still believe he might be Muslim.

Fox News ran Jeremiah Wright clips around the clock for weeks. No candidate ever got this kind of scrutiny. It's like there's only one candidate running as many stupid things as McCain has gotten away with, while Obama made some perfect innocent comments that were misconstrued and run with to this day.

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Mr. Wonderful

8/23/2008 6:44:52 AM ---- Updated 8/23/2008 6:48:11 AM

Holo, where there's smoke there's fire. No one would ever accuse Obama of being a Muslim if there wasn't overwhelming evidence to suggest that due to records he was registered as a Muslim at the Catholic School he went to for 3 years and according to many of his friends and teachers that yes, Barack Sotaro (sp) was in fact a Muslim.

The sad truth is a Muslim background is nothing to hide from in America. People have just as much right to be Muslim as any other religion and I doubt it would matter to most people.

It's not an issue at all if he was raised in the Muslim faith, as was mandatory during the times he went to Indonesian Public School as well.

That's not a big deal. Being dishonest about that will cost him votes though.

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Holo Lukaloa

8/23/2008 7:51:39 AM

No they accuse him of being a Muslim because of his name. Your source material is all internet BS. You perpetuate it so you're BS.

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LyinDan

8/23/2008 8:12:28 AM

Gregg, how much is Scientology paying you?

From Snopes.com - Pre-eminent BS shooter-downer

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Claim: Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunh am, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.

Barack Hussein Obama (Senator Obama's father) was born on the shores of Lake Victoria in Alego, Kenya. He met and married an American woman, Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas, while they were both attending the University of Hawaii. Their son, also named Barack Hussein Obama was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Although the elder Obama was raised as a Muslim, no evidence supports the claim that he was ever a "radical Muslim," and Senator Obama's family histories note that his father was an atheist or agnostic (i.e., no longer a practicing Muslim) by the time he married the younger Obama's mother. Of his mother's religious views, Senator Obama wrote:
For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.

This isn't to say that she provided me with no religious instruction. In her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part. Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.

In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist she would become; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.
Claim: When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya . His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Barack Obama's parents separated when he was two years old, his father moving to Connecticut to continue his education before returning to Kenya. When the younger Obama was six years old, his mother married again, this time to Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian oil manager. Barack and his mother moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, where Obama spent 4-5 years attending both Muslim and Catholic schools before his mother sent him back to the United States to live with his maternal grandmother. The school Barack Obama attended in Indonesia was "Muslim" primarily in the sense that the preponderance of its student body was Muslim (because Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim country), but both the Muslim and Catholic schools he attended in Indonesia offered a few hours of religious instruction each week.

In his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama elaborated on his early schooling, explaining that he attended both Catholic and Muslim schools in Indonesia — not out of any particular religious affiliation, but because his mother wanted him to obtain the best education possible under the circumstances:
During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables.
Claim: Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical.

Barack Obama never stated that he "was once a Muslim" (radical or otherwise), so his "handlers" have nothing to "conceal." Obama communications director Robert Gibbs noted that "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim. As a six-year-old in Catholic school, he studied the catechism." Barack Obama has been associated with the United Church of Christ since the mid-1980s, describes himself as a Christian, and says that he is "rooted in the Christian tradition."

Claim: Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

As noted above, Barack Obama's parents divorced when he was only two years old, and his father then moved thousands of miles away, from Hawaii to Connecticut, so he couldn't have received much of an "introduction to Islam" from his (biological) father:
My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was two years old.

At the time of his death, my father remained a myth to me, both more and less than a man. He had left Hawaii back in 1963, when I was only two years old, so that as a child I knew him only through the stories that my mother and grandparents told.
(Barack's only other childhood contact with his father occurred when he was eleven years old, and his father came to visit Hawaii for a month at Christmastime. The elder Obama died when Barack Jr. was twenty-one years old.)

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LyinDan

8/23/2008 8:14:57 AM

Claim: Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

The claim that Obama attended a radical Wahabbist school in Indonesia in the mid-1960s is exceedingly far-fetched, given that:
The large Indonesian community resident in Mecca was a medium through which knowledge about Wahhabism reached Indonesia, but the community itself appears to have remained virtually immune to Wahhabi influences. In reality there was little direct influence of Wahhabism on Indonesian reformist thought until the 1970s.
Insight magazine claimed in a January 2007 article that Barack Obama spent at least four years attending what is variously described as a "madrassa," a "radical Muslim religious school," or a "Muslim seminary" in Indonesia, but CNN has more recently reported that its own investigation found those claims to be false:
[R]eporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the 'Situation Room.' "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Associated Press reported similarly:
A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religious Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.

"SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths," said the spokesman, Sutopo, who goes by only one name. "Moreover, he studied earlier at Fransiskus Assisi, which is clearly a Catholic school."

Obama later transferred to SDN Menteng 1 the elite, secular elementary school at the center of the controversy. The school is public but is very competitive and has exceptionally high standards. It is located in one of the most affluent parts of Jakarta and attracts mostly middle- to upper-class students, among them several of former dictator Suharto's grandchildren.

Indonesia is home to several of the most radical Islamic schools in Southeast Asia, some with alleged terrorist links. But Akmad Solichin [the vice principal at SDN Menteng 1], who proudly pointed to a photo of a young Barry Obama, as he was known, said his school is not one of them.
Moreover, a statement released by the Obama campaign affirmed that:
In the past week, many of you have read a now thoroughly-debunked story by Insight Magazine, owned by the Washington Times, which cites unnamed sources close to a political campaign that claim Senator Obama was enrolled for "at least four years" in an Indonesian "Madrassa". The article says the "sources" believe the Madrassa was "espousing Wahhabism," a form of radical Islam.

All of the claims about Senator Obama’s faith and education raised in the Insight Magazine story and repeated on Fox News are false. Senator Obama was raised in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother. Obama’s stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school.

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Furthermore, the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.
Claim: Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

As noted above, Barack Obama describes himself as "a Christian," says that he is "rooted in the Christian tradition," and his association with the United Church of Christ began over twenty years ago, long before he contemplated a political career. (Obama was first elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996, but he has been involved with the United Church of Christ since the mid-1980s.) The beginnings of Obama's relationship with the church were described in an April 2004 Chicago Sun-Times article:
Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago.

The politician could have ended his spiritual tale right there, at the point some people might assume his life changed, when he got "saved," transformed, washed in the blood. But Obama wants to clarify what truly happened.

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them ... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

So how did he become a churchgoer?

It began in 1985, when he came to Chicago as a $13,000-a-year community organizer, working with a number of African-American churches in the Roseland, West Pullman and Altgeld Gardens neighborhoods that were trying to deal with the devastation caused by shuttered steel plants.

"I started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job-training programs, or after-school programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communities," he says. "And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened.

"I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and its importance in the community. And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply."
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Slim Jim

8/23/2008 8:22:13 AM ---- Updated 8/23/2008 8:27:02 AM

Obama's brother states differently Holo and why would he lie about such a thing? I don't care one way or another but I think it's not wise to deny this part of your upbringing. There's nothing wrong with being born into the Muslim faith and it wouldn't be an issue with most Americans.

http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/06/barack-obamas-half-brother-confirms.html

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LyinDan

8/23/2008 10:04:10 AM

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From the Fact Check Desk: What Did Obama's Half-Brother Say About Obama's Background?

June 18, 2008 12:39 PM

It was a sloppy paraphrase that emerged as false evidence.

Malik Obama, the older half brother of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, gave a brief interview to Israeli Army Radio.

The Jerusalem Post listened to the interview, apparently, and produced a story saying "Malik Obama says his brother will be good president for the Jews. Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background."

Nowhere is Malik quoted.

The Jerusalem Post has since taken the story down of its website, but you can see a cached version HERE.

Conservatives jumped on the Jerusalem Post's paraphrase that Malik said Obama "will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background" as some sort of evidence that Malik was saying Obama was raised a Muslim, which the campaign says he was not.

This suspicion reared its head in Israeli blogs and the blogs of supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Sean Hannity fan sites and Free Republic and conservative blogs.

It ended up on Fox News, with anchor Brut Hume saying on June 16 that: "Barack Obama is a practicing Christian, married in a Christian church, whose children were also baptized in that church. His campaign has emphasized his faith in part to dispel what the campaign calls an online smear campaign which contends among other things that Obama was raised a Muslim. There is even a statement on his official campaign website reading, quote, 'Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.' But Obama's half brother is not so sure. Malik Obama tells The Jerusalem Post that, 'if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.'"

So is it true?

No.

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ABC News got a hold of the audio of Malik's interview with Israel Army Radio, and Malik said nothing of the kind.
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Read the rest here (with audio), I'm sure peeps are tired of super-long posts:

abcnews

Next lie? Comon, I know you have some.

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The Man With No Band

8/23/2008 10:13:09 AM

Lyin Dan ... How dare you try to discredit the brain washing machine with facts ...

They worked really hard to dupe the people ... and then you go and screw it up with facts ... you should be ashamed of yourself ...

You're screwing with those poor brainwashed peoples heads ! Stop it .... Do you really want people going around electing their leaders by FACTS ...

You are un-American ... why I'll bet you are really a terrorist in disguise ....

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LyinDan

8/23/2008 10:16:24 AM

I'm so very sorry! (Just ask my wife)

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Slim Jim

8/23/2008 3:01:26 PM ---- Updated 8/23/2008 3:01:58 PM

Would Obama himself qualify as a liar to then by his own references to a Muslim upbringing Dan? (I seem to recall you once accusing me of being a Muslim when I stated to the effect "You don't mess with Allah" before the start of the war in Iraq out of respect for Islam but now all the sudden this flip-flop on your part Dan? Being a little less than honest as you usually are Dan?)

"Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=92AA0FD4-8EF5-4D89-B8DA-B8C74484FA91

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Holo Lukaloa

8/24/2008 6:10:06 AM

Again Slim Jim your idiotic posts on this thread were a carefully orchestrated attempt to change the subject. If you do this kind of thing again I will delete every post you ever put on one of my blogs.

frontpagemagazine.com > what a source you have.

"The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta"

Get a life.

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Holo Lukaloa

8/24/2008 6:11:40 AM

Larree some guy who can't even stay familiar with his own business interests to the extent that he knows how many houses he owns shouldn't be running the US economy. Ever heard of common sense?

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Slim Jim

8/24/2008 8:31:00 AM ---- Updated 8/24/2008 8:34:52 AM

Who stated this earlier in the tread Holo?

"Blogs and the internet are part of the media too and no candidate in the history of the world has had to deal with more bullshit manufactured rumors than Obama. 15% of the people still believe he might be Muslim."

So you changed the subject Holo, not me. And the original subject is something only a socialpath might be endeared to.

First, it's none of your business how much money John McCain's wife inherited and for the record John McCain was born into and has always lived a very humble life. And whatever wealth may exist belongs again to the wife only, not John McCain. And only a total loser could take exception to a very generous payroll which you'll never have since your brainwashed thought process can only conceive of expropriating existing wealth rather than creating something useful for society and being justly rewarded for that.

This is a real deep subject alright and sure in the turning point in the election because Mrs. McCain doesn't know how many houses she owns. Shes probably couldn't name all the charities she support s or how much money she's donated to those charities but what's for certain it's several times greater than what John McCain has given to charity. And how much is that you might care to ask Holo?

"Mr. McCain’s campaign said he donates his royalties from his books to charities and that “this sum has totaled over $1,800,000 since 1998 when he signed his first book deal.” The campaign said his book income added up to $256,898 for 2006 and 2007.

The senator’s campaign also said that Mr. McCain has donated to charity a total of $450,000 since 1991— money he received from increases in his Senate salary — “because he opposed the Congressional pay increase at that time and pledged not to accept the pay raises.”

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http://philanthropy.com/news/updates/4437/john-mccain-discloses-data-on-his-charity-giving

Friggin lunatic..

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