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Holo Lukaloa
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9/13/2008 7:14:55 PM
I'm leaving IAC
Reading all the anger around has made me come to this conclusion. I don't want anyone leaving here due to their arguments with me . Political debate gets impassioned but I think I will go blog somewhere where this is more understood, and tolerated by the crowd.
I did feel it was important to discuss these issues and I remember when I was the only one starting political blogs here. I apologize to anyone who saw me as going beyond the political fray, I don't really feel I did but impressions are everything, aren't they?
I am going to delete my stations now and I wish you all the best. I also wanted to thank IAC for hosting such a fine site, there is none other like this.
Hope you all vote for Obama. :>)
Bye now.
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Nigels
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9/13/2008 7:31:41 PM
Holo
I agree with Laree. Its important that their is an informed political debate and I have seen both sides argued with passion on your threads. What sort of world would it be if people did not care or have strong feelings about crucial issues.
Some people seem to be upset over the rhetoric and strong feelings expressed and they probably have a valid point.
Surley their is a middle ground somewhere where everyone can be if not satisfied feel their feelings have been given due consideration.
I urge you to stay and help this place retain its diversity. Enter into a dialouge with those who are upset and seek a resolution
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Bob Elliott
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9/13/2008 7:35:00 PM
And yet, you're usually dead on, at least in your lead posts.
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the perfect grape
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9/13/2008 7:54:29 PM
Ding Dong, the wicked witch is dead!
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The Man With No Band
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9/13/2008 8:11:32 PM
Damn ... what the f*ck ... I feel like I started a virus or something ... Squirly ... Holo ...
there's room for everybody here ...
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Gary Stockton
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9/13/2008 8:16:07 PM
I'm sorry to see you decide to go elsewhere man. I enjoyed reading the banter and I think you stimulated a lot of debate. Least you got people to talk and think. That's what the election needs, people like you and I sharing opinions, and others with contrary opinions, it all helps.
I really do hope you reconsider. If not, the best of luck to you man.
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9/13/2008 8:18:50 PM
Thanks for creating and sharing your stations... and although I never posted on your political blogs... I did on occasion read them. Your stance for what you believe in is evident... a passion I respect. I wish you the best.
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Kevin White
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9/13/2008 8:37:16 PM
G'nite Holo Lukaloa of IAC.
Best,
Kev-
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Jeff Allen Myers
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9/13/2008 9:32:56 PM
I never thought I would say this, but I am sorry to see you go. Its not your opinions that rubbed me the wrong way, it was your dismissive attitude. I do think its the nature of the communication on the web. Smart ass remarks in person are often softened by tone, inflection, body language, physical contact, or a laugh. So what I am saying is, if I misunderstood you I am sorry.
Good Luck to you, keep your passion, and harness the energy to do some good in the world.
Peace.
Jeff
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Conversation Suicide
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9/14/2008 3:45:20 AM
Seriously Holo, Stay. Just tone down our knee-jerk reaction responses a bit, and lighten up with Diane Hufnel & Larree, and you make a MARVELOUS addition to this CRAZY situation comedy.
plus -- like many said, there's GREAT ORIGINAL indie music here, and we need listeners like you, ya know?
-phlegm
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Paul groover
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9/14/2008 4:40:32 AM
Considering this is the most important election ever. Do you want endless war the Amero,Nafta,super highways, NWO, Police state. The right to a fair trial decent medicare for the poor. Social security that is run by corporations for corporations. A foreign policy that looks like Jackboot fascism. Warrantless wire taps on anyone who opposes the ruling class. A missile shield that is threating to start WW3. You should stay Holo
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Tony Vani and Debbie Hoskin
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9/14/2008 5:15:57 AM
Holo don't go. It's the time of year and lots of conflict everywhere. You are not the cause just because you have a strong opinion. Political discussions are heated everywhere.
I personally, have enjoyed your blogs. . deb
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Mildred Lukaloa
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9/14/2008 5:41:18 AM
I hope you're not leaving because I'm here Darling. I was reading all the nice messages and it seems you may have a role here after all. You shouldn't be hasty my love, come home and we'll talk about it, no pressure. Love ya Mom
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qelizabeth
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9/14/2008 6:10:30 AM
I completely stopped reading political blogs (I decided to shut up and devote all of my extra time community organizing to help get Barack Obama elected. He's got great on the ground grass roots organizations and it's easy to get involved.)
I do continue listening to the great music around here (and occasionally read blogs NOT related to politics.)
For me it's a good happy medium.
I agreed with all you said, every word, politically (I think we're at risk for a dictatorship), however polarizing and extreme it was in style, which I didn't agree with.
Take care.
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Jerry Kabat
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9/14/2008 8:08:04 AM
Dude, Is that what obabma would do?
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never never band
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9/14/2008 9:20:29 AM
Holo...
you've been shouted down.
Damn, speak truth and who cares what people think.
This is the last weeks before the most important election of our lifetimes...
Now is the time to speak your mind and to hell with fragile feelings!!!!
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SqurlyMurly
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9/14/2008 10:24:12 AM
Holo,
http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm
I hope you'll laugh as hard as I did! And don't you dare go anywhere. All of us who have argued politics have done so out of passion of our beliefs, not because we are mean-spirited. Albeit, I know I have a weird sense of humor and sarcasm; and not everyone gets it.
And if you go, your logic is all wrong. You don't leave because you've pissed off someone else. They'll get over it.
I came here for the music and comraderie of fellow musicians & listeners and the atmosphere of constructive critiques. Political views were a moot point. Having strayed from my true intent as a member here, I thought it be a good idea to realign my priorities!
Don't go, Holo.
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tom lee
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9/14/2008 4:01:33 PM
i presume you won't see this but hello, and goodbye
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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9/14/2008 4:25:34 PM
Holo
I read most of your blogs ---and ewe called it as ewe saw it!!
Ewe have infuriated many with your style ---- but every thing about the Republican agenda is a step towards a world war in my opinion-----
What could be wrong about trying to stop that scenario????
peace now
Rob
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Kevin White
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9/14/2008 4:57:57 PM
---- Updated 9/14/2008 5:08:47 PM
I know! I miss his posts ...
I remember fondly all the names he called me.
Why oh why ... after 1000 angry calls for his removal, to the deaf ears of IAC ... did crocodile skinned Holo suddenly find himself a conscience? It's so sad coming just prior to an important election. It's like falling short of a finish line.
It reminds me of "The Wizard of Oz".
The Tin Man, who might be made of straw, must have finally found a heart. He already had a brain.
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9/14/2008 8:21:49 PM
If you are staying then that's fine but if you are going can you please delete your posts because you are using up space that could be better used.
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LyinDan
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9/14/2008 9:47:44 PM
Have a rum on me, Holo, everyone else is.
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Steve Ison
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9/15/2008 12:55:53 AM
Well i agreed with your general worldview and the posts didn't annoy me at all-really can't see what all the fuss was about..
I mean people can ignore them if they want anyway if they don't like 'em,can't they?..
Its a shame you feel the need to to delete your stations tho..
Why do people DO that when they leave?
It benefits no-one-not other people who might enjoy them-and certainly not the artists who are just deprived of a station they're exposed on..
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9/15/2008 4:04:41 AM
Yeah Holo ... what Steve said and then what Larree said agreeing with what Steve said and then what I just said agreeing with what Steve said initially then following what Larree said in complete agreement !
I tell ya... I'm fit to be tied, or tied to be fit... which I much prefer
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Hop On Pop
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9/15/2008 5:41:59 AM
What they all said.
It's good to have more folks listening here.
And, as to your posts:
You (should) already know that I generally agree with the substance of what you laid out, if not the style. Good luck to you Mr. Lukaloa.
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kurtkurtley
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9/15/2008 6:57:37 AM
You still here???
Christ! James Brown got off the stage faster than this!
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RedRobin
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9/15/2008 7:33:18 AM
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....Well, I never read any of your blogs because I'm not interested enough in politics, American or otherwise, and your topic titles were sufficient to tell me I'd be wasting my time - I'm grateful for that.
I've always thought that a music forum isn't the best place for political discussion/debate but each to their own and I assume I was one of the very few who ignored your posts - Not with any malice but simply because I wasn't interested in the subjects.
However, I'm adding my voice to encourage you to stay. Close the door to IAC or leave it ajar, but no need to lock it shut. Do what I do, I'm no longer attracted to join in here but I occasionally check out the topic titles just to see if anything has changed.
Always keep an open mind.
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9/15/2008 9:29:06 AM
Who would have guessed that IAC's very own 'politico' has a name that means "Whole Light Spirit" I couldn't resist writing a song to commemorate his leaving and maybe tempt him to stay.
Holo Lukaloa / the song
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Pulse Eternal
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9/15/2008 9:36:01 AM
Just adding my 2 cents worth to let you know I don't take offence to your political views Holo. FWIW, if I was a US citizen, I'd vote for Obama and I hope he wins :-)
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9/15/2008 12:58:55 PM
I WILL LEAVE IF YOU ALL LEAVE TOO .....AND IF YOU ALL STAY I WILL STAY TOO JUST OUT OF SHEER SPITE ....
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LyinDan
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9/15/2008 5:44:04 PM
Um, I count 24 peeps who want you to stay and 4 who more or less don't.
You're a fuckstick if you go, you fuckin quitter.
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9/15/2008 5:51:03 PM
Jeez if he wants to leave then just let him - it's HIS life!
What's the matter with you all?
(I think I've left IAC 'for good' about 5 times now over the last 8 years or summat. How long's it been here? I think I left right at the start. That's all Scott's fault.)
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Kevin White
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9/15/2008 5:55:59 PM
No one can presume to know anything on the net.
Who is who and what they think is infinitely veiled.
It's the nature of the net.
I count no one counts.
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Richard Scotti
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9/16/2008 9:40:37 AM
When people threaten to leave ithey're like children threatening to run away from home because they didn't get the attention they wanted. So the parents beg the chlld not to go and the child feels loved again and stays. A person threatens to jump off a buidling so others will yell, "Don't jump, we really care about you and you will be missed". People threaten to end relationships so their partners will say, "Don't go, I'll treat you better!" Each example represents a cry for help. LOVE ME MORE OR I'M OUTA HERE! But when a person really wants to quit a website, a realtionship, a home, a job, or life itself he or she just quietly slips away without making grandiose
announcements of departure which are filled with veiled rage, resentment and spite.
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LyinDan
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9/16/2008 9:50:36 AM
Uh, no. Holo sounded like he had his mind made up. He was just making a public service announcement. I'm just whining about it, because now you'll have me, and you shoulda stuck with him.
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9/16/2008 9:59:41 AM
Well if he does leave I hope none of our songs were on his stations because dammit its hard as hell to make waves here unless you post political stuff =)
Were not leaving so poo youre stuck with us
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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9/26/2008 4:42:09 PM
so-----
Richard was right!!!!
8^D
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/26/2008 9:03:42 PM
Richard generalizes. Maybe Richard didn't like the response I got on this thread and that's why Richard had to try to demean me after I left, which I consider cowardly.
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Magnetfisch
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9/27/2008 4:43:08 AM
hey Holo,
please stay!
consider posting about politics on another blog yes, but continue listening to & adding music here -
a Swiss compromise 8-)
all the best & read you soon
Magnetfisch
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