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Holo Lukaloa
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9/25/2008 5:08:54 PM
McCain chicken? Palin and the Pledge of Allegiance
How goofy is McCain, having not shown his face around the Senate for around a year, deciding he could use the financial crisis as an excuse to get out of the debate? Looks like he helped bungle the deal after all that. Some think this is a ploy to reschedule and eliminate the VP debate.
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from msnbc.com
When federal judges in San Francisco ruled in 2002 that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools was unconstitutional because it included the phrase "under God," Sarah Palin was not amused. Palin, who at the time was Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, quickly drafted a terse letter to the editor of a San Francisco newspaper.
“Dear Editor,” Palin wrote in 2002. “San Francisco judges forbidding our Pledge of Allegiance? They will take the phrase ‘under God’ away from me when my cold, dead lips can no longer utter those words,” Palin wrote.
“God Bless America,” she concluded.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America unless my husband Todd succeeds in his goal of getting Alaska separate from the US. And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible and free of witchcraft, with liberty and justice for all including the unborn.
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9/25/2008 6:52:57 PM
Recalling correctly Holo & co, it was Obama who issued the challenge to debate John McCain "anywhere, anytime". And when McCain accepted his challenge by proposing a series of non-moderated town hall debates it was Obama who cut and ran, not John McCain..
Even money says Sarah Palin shows up for Friday's debate Holo.., and the rest will be history.
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/25/2008 7:02:14 PM
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That's poor logic because McCain obviously doesn't get to proclaim the terms of debates, particularly when he has been caught with improprieties several times stacking the town hall format.
Sarah Palin made a fool of herself with Katie Couric. Seems everybody knows she's a know-nothing ditz but you.
As far as the bailout goes, I've concluded that Bush was trying to help McCain's chances by calling that flop of a meeting today. They need something desperate to come back.
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9/25/2008 7:20:06 PM
Obama has only been in one freestyle debate that I recall and Hilary wiped the floor with him, and that was the last time he would debate her.
And I will concede outside of reading a speech from a teleprompter Sarah hasn't shown a great deal either. A good Governor she is but I'm not convinced she's ready for VP or POTUS if that is to happen. But I still would not so quickly to underestimate her cause she's got cards she ain't showing.
Obama is simple to debate. Once his long winded-responses are deconstructed he's completely lost. He sounds impressive at times but he's completely clueless on foreign policy. Advocating US Military incursions into Pakistan is the perfect example. Now we have Pakistani military firing on US helicopters and if the apple cart is really upset there our problems in Afghanistan could increase 10 fold overnight.
So that why I hope a Palin-Obama debate does materialize. If she's really so unqualified we'll find out then because if she can't beat Obama in a real debate then maybe McCain did pick the wrong running mate.
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/25/2008 7:31:06 PM
Hillary never wiped the floor up with Obama in a debate. If you thought that it's cause you're a wackjob hater.
We should have a lot more troops for the Afghanistan side of the equation but of course they're all being used up in the idiotic war in Iraq.
Palin is a bigger threat to National Security if she gets within a heartbeat of the White House than Al Qaeda.
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9/25/2008 8:02:26 PM
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Sorry to inform the consortium of malcontents that make up the non-existent character called Holo but one important strength Sarah Palin does have is the ability to delegate authority as she has demonstrated as Governor of Alaska.
Obama has some bizarre idea that as future Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces our Military Commanders will have to obey his orders but I'm sure he will soon find out differently if elected. To be fair Palin has demonstrated little military expertise as should be expected but at least she understands that the wisdom of when and how military force should be used is that of the Commanders in the field, not hers alone, and that is a very important quality to have for any potential Commander in Cheif of our Military Forces.
Yeah Holo & co..., this upcoming debate just might end up making Obama wish he had stayed in Washington with John McCain who's going to bat right now for the future of every American.. But Obama maintains a future president has to be able to deal with more than one issue at the same time.
He sure is a foreign policy expert alright Holo & co.., just as he is a domestic policy expert. A true genius alright.
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Kevin White
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9/25/2008 8:54:13 PM
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In Maine, I was part of a small group of people who opposed the installation of a heavy industrial LNG plant in one of the planet's most pristine environments.
To make a long story short, we won. The area was "saved".
At critical issue was whether the town would lease its town owned acreage to the two global corporations that desired building there.
Needless to say, the debate amongst townspeople was blue hot.
There was a town forum sponsored by the local newspaper that became the focus of local discussion.
You think Presidential elections get heated? Try participating in a forum where someone wants to drop an industrial complex w/in a hundred feet of your very expensive shore front home (mine was much further away, but I hated the devastation of the local environment - one cannot truly imagine the insult unless one knows the area).
Anyways ...
After one of characteristically heated town meetings on the subject, the town road commissioner, presumably humping for a bigger budget, stood up and stated that the people who lived right next door to the proposed project were being "selfish" by opposing it; and so denying the town the tax revenues.
It was one of the stupidest, most amazingly stupid, stupid statements I've ever witnessed from anybody on this planet ... ever.
I LAMBASTED him in the local forum ... and I'm an outsider "from away" (you have to know Maine folks) ... which got me totally banned from posting.
I wrote the publisher of the magazine, who ironically I now consider a friend of mine ... complaining of the slight.
He, in typical sensible Maine style (you have to know Maine folks) ... said to me:
"People know when someone is making an ass of themselves. Trust them. You were wrong for what you did."
It was his nice way of letting me know that people knew the road commissioner was a clear ass ... and so I had behaved accordingly.
I'll never forget that lesson.
It's why I don't call people names on the net anymore. I let folks read and determine who is making sense, and who isn't.
I learned to trust that people see, and get who is being reasonable, and who is just being an ass.
So I came back to the board and began to post under my wife's name ... this time MUCH less aggressive than I'd earlier been. I stuck to the issues; and debated salient points w/o resorting to demeaning comments about the penis sizes of the opposition.
People liked her.
I was able to sway a HUGE block of people over to voting against the project.
The project was wrong, and there isn't enough money in certain situations that can right a total wrong.
The town budget was 8 millions dollars ... and that was the rent they were to collect for lease of their land. They could have suspended everyone's taxes, and met budget.
There isn't enough money sometimes that rights a total wrong.
The publisher knew it was me, not my wife.
... and though I'm still not liked by certain townspeople offended by my flaming behavior early into my "net indoctrination" ... which I can be EXTREMELY cutting with ... (I was, in fact, sued for my humorous acerbic method of taunting the opposition - I easily prevailed) ...
Some things are worth being sued over ...
But I no longer call anyone names.
I trust people to know who is a fucking fruitcake, and who is being reasonable.
Just sharing a lesson I learned in life (the hard way).
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(Lyin Dan ... was that too long? lol ...)
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/26/2008 12:09:08 AM
I'm more real than you'll ever be, Sterling30, with your sickening hardon for Palin.
How has she delegated authority? You mean by telling them not to honor their subpoenas in the Troopergate investigation? You mean by firing good people and hiring her high school classmates for jobs they aren't qualified for?
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9/26/2008 4:51:30 AM
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Well Holo Inc, actually governing a major state like Alaska is far more impressive than running some campaign. One has has signed an executive order, the other has signed checks totaling $800,000 for services never rendered. One actually has a record of fiscal responsibility while another has the Ill State Attorney General investigation grants where the money completely dissapeared. (Wait till they try to find where the 160 mil went to during the Ayers-Obama collaboration in the Anneberg Challenge when not one dime of that went to any school it was supposed to benefit..) I know what you're thinking Holo-IAC, where Katie Couric when you really need her, right???
And any bizarre fascination with Sarah Palin sure isn't mine as the the facts of the smear campaign against Sarah Palin and her family slowly come to light. (Katie Couric should be on that case any day now right Holo-IAC?)
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28656
"Breaking yesterday, the Jawa Report has provided stunning documentation and evidence that fairly well proves the videos are tied to David Axelrod and the Barack Obama campaign.
The Jawa Report has so well documented the ties to the Obama campaign that it sent the posters of the online attack videos into a coverup frenzy. The posters have been hard at work yanking all the attacks from the internet. "
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The ties from Winner & Associates trace back to David Axelrod, chief strategist for Barack Obama. As previously noted, Axelroad is a master of astroturf campaigns. After the Jawa Report broke the story, someone mysteriously edited Axelrod’s Wikipedia entry to delete all references to his various astroturfing campaigns.
Fox News Report
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Jerry Kabat
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9/26/2008 6:53:37 AM
I wrote my Congressman....er I mean Senator...... once about immigration and the rise in fule costs. As a matter of fact it was right after he was elected Senator, oh say about two years ago. It took about four months for him to get back to me with a form letter. On the other hand Sen. Dick Durbin had rec'd the same e-mails from his wed site and took him only three weeks to send his form letter.
I think maybe we are all being duped by all politicions.....
By the way the first Sen. was Obama, must have been to busy tring to starting his Pres. Campaign...............I repeat He has done nothing for the State of Illinois or this country......
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/26/2008 6:59:29 AM
Governing a state like Alaska which has less population than the top 20 cities in the US and being under an ethics investigation there for corruption.
I find it funny Sterling that the mainstream media wants nothing to do with any of your scandals. I read all the major political sites and watch all the networks and you think you're some sort of detective because you read the Weekly World News.
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