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Holo Lukaloa
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1/12/2009 8:44:39 PM
Really disappointed in Obama that he doesn't seem to want to prosecute Bush and Cheney for clear war crimes.
He says he prefers to look forward, hasn't ruled it out or having his Attorney General look into it, but like somebody said, wouldn't it be special if all criminals could get off the hook because the prosecutor wanted to "look forward".
Personally I look forward to the public trial of Bush and Cheney for authorizing the ILLEGAL torture that they've publically admitted being in the loop on.
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The Man With No Band
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1/12/2009 8:51:10 PM
I'm afraid Obama's plate is rather full at the moment ... and I'd much rather see him concentrate on the good things he can do for this country right now ...
We asked for change ... let's get on with it ... LET'S DO SOMETHING POSITIVE instead of whining about the past ....
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/12/2009 10:21:35 PM
I'm really disappointed in The Man With No Band that he doesn't seem to want to prosecute Bush and Cheney for clear war crimes. :>)
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The Man With No Band
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1/12/2009 10:32:05 PM
I didn't say that .... but now that you mention it ... if it were up to me ... I'd prefer a good old fashioned tar and feathering ... followed by a public stoning ... or maybe we could just throw shoes ... it's so much more effective then prosecuting these guys ... and at a hell of a lot cheaper cost to the tax payers ... :)
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kurtkurtley
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1/12/2009 11:02:18 PM
Maybe Cheney could just shoot him in the face, like a friend....then you could arrest Cheney for impersonating a person without just cause:>)
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Fade to Black
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1/12/2009 11:04:36 PM
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I think in the interest of continued smooth transitions of power, it's good to follow the well-established custom that here in the U.S., the new guy doesn't have his predecessor arrested - or worse. It's one of several things that still distinguish us from banana republics.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/12/2009 11:22:14 PM
That's a nice thought but in history, if these guys get off the hook, Obama will be thought of in the same breath as Ford for pardoning Nixon, except in my opinion turning America into a country that tortures is worse than Nixon's crimes.
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Fade to Black
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1/12/2009 11:58:24 PM
Ford did that in service of the above-mentioned custom; it took guts, was the right thing to do, and probably cost him the election. Better to let the occasional miscreant walk than to endanger our system of government, which is not just the Constitution, but also the many customs, practices, and precedents intertwined with it.
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The Man With No Band
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1/13/2009 12:09:01 AM
Nixon should have been given the tar and feather treatment also ... and he should have been made to eat 25 hits of LSD ....
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Bepp Bonamie
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1/13/2009 12:16:47 AM
yes, Peace acid. hahaha
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kurtkurtley
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1/13/2009 12:27:34 AM
Sam,
Nixon was so paranoid...what makes you think he WASN'T on acid???
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The Man With No Band
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1/13/2009 12:32:24 AM
Naw ... I don't think he was Kurt ... guys like him would fall off the edge if he did acid ... I figure it would have been a fun thing to watch ... :)
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/13/2009 12:54:52 AM
I think torturing and Guantanamo undermined our system of government. Really they should've been impeached, not only for that but even moreso for the sham known as the Iraq war.
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Bob Elliott
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1/13/2009 7:10:31 AM
I don't think you understand him very well if you thought there was a chance he might do that.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/13/2009 7:59:48 AM
I can't believe how many of you don't want to hold Bush responsible for falsely justifying a war that killed so many, or torture. I guess it's true that the American people will take whatever bullshit government they're given and won't even be indignant about things.
This is spineless, not wanting to punish these guys.
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Hop On Pop
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1/13/2009 9:02:03 AM
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There is a fine line between holding leaders accountable and undermining the democracy.
Bottom line is: prosecuting Bush and/or Cheney WOULD lead to civil unrest. Especially in as destabilized economy as we have (which tends to make folks edgy, anyway). It'd get a portion of the population riled up that we would have riots at least, and full-blown civil war, at worst. And no, that is not an exaggeration.
Thank God our new Commander-In-Chief is more thoughtful than you are, or we'd be even more screwed than we already are.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/13/2009 11:21:58 AM
Come on, prosecuting Bush wouldn't lead to a civil war, or riots. Hardly any American backs Bush at this point.
It annoys me that you want to excuse what happened.
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Bob Elliott
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1/13/2009 11:43:46 AM
I think Bush was a terrible president. I really doubt there is much of a legal case that would work against his administration. That doesn't mean what they did (especially regarding torture) isn't wrong. I twas clearly wrong. It's just not a legal fight anyone's likely to win. If you study how it's played in courts so far, then you'll see there is little chance it would make headway in the legal system.
It would be a losing case that would cost zillions and break unity in the country in a major way.
And I repeat that if you thought Obama would pursue that angle, then you haven't paid much attention to who he is and how he operates.
The problem with Bush is inherent in the constitution. Presidential powers are not well defined, and many presidents have run away with the holes in the constitution. If you want a legal remedy, we're going to need some more ammendments to the (very short) article regarding presidential powers,.
Short of that, we'll surely have another rampant cowboy in control sometime down the road.
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Lars Mars
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1/13/2009 11:46:14 AM
In a campaign that was long on style but short on substance, I don't remember a pledge to put Bush or Cheney on trial.
I do remember this though:
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Hop On Pop
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1/13/2009 12:18:10 PM
It's not an excuse, Holo.
It's a practical fact. Times are tense.
Yes, Bush was a godawful president. However, for him to be placed on-trial in an American court of law would not only be unprescedented, but also extremely distracting from the work at-hand. And yes, it could be more than distracting, but disruptive. especially now.
Bush is gone.
Let's get our priorities straight:
Fix what's broken.
Then, once tempers have settled and we have a little space between now and when a trial might be, we can decide whether or not it would be appropriate to pursue something like that.
You are a hothead, Holo.
Settle down, loose the rhetoric, and let's move ahead instead of looking back. Isn't that what your man Obama is all about?
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/13/2009 12:26:31 PM
I'm a hothead cause it sickens me that America violated the Geneva Convention?
I don't care if this is done in the next 2 years, I just can't believe it may not happen at all.
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Hop On Pop
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1/13/2009 12:35:04 PM
It sickens me, as well. You know that you and I agree on the political front; I'm just not as obsessed as you are.
As to whether or not Bush/Cheney will be brought to justice, it depends upon the allowable evidence that emerges in the next few years, and what the UNITED NATIONS chooses to do with it. It is, after all, their jurisdiction.
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JOHN FRY
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1/13/2009 5:00:56 PM
Obama is a smart guy. That is why we elected him. He is making moves to bring the parties together so we can fix whats broken. Yes, Oh Yes it would be great to punish those two sons of bitches! But Obama is looking at the big picture. We now got ourselves a leader! stop hating, and start following his lead. He knows what is best to get things done. More than you or I.
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Kevin White
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1/13/2009 7:34:06 PM
Ditto John ...
Hate is so Republican ...
We should waste more taxpayer dollars on dead ends ... because that's so ...
I'm at a loss to fill in that blankety blank ...
:^D
Kev-
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Bob Elliott
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1/13/2009 8:01:03 PM
I see in "Time" this week there is an article (which I haven't read yet) that says many of his higher level people may be exposed to legal jeopardy, so maybe there'll be some sort of legal action down the line.
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1/15/2009 8:29:55 AM
"Hate is so Republican ..."
Yes, it sure is..
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1/15/2009 8:38:31 AM
I'm surprised that no one seems aware of the fact Obama is planning on expanding the war in Afghanistan which has the potential of becoming a costlier affair than the one we got ourselves involved in Iraq. To Obama's credit he didn't start that involvement but history teaches us that no foreign power has ever prevailed in Afghanistan so why would he want to increase our military involvement there?
Any answers?
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/15/2009 8:40:21 AM
Simple, to do what Bush failed at. To get Bin Laden.
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1/15/2009 8:50:05 AM
How many American lives are worth trying to find someone that many sources feel has been dead for years now Holo?
The following sums up just what we're heading into pretty well.
"Obama, who has vowed to end the Iraq war, has instead pledged to escalate our involvement in Afganistan trading one war for another. Does this make any sense to anyone? Why would the American people, who turned against the Iraq fiasco, continue to support an equally hopeless campaign in Afganistan that hasn't been stabilized in almost 8 years? A country that has never been fully conquered by foreign powers going back to Alexander the Great. Why would he want to expand the war just as our allies are bailing out? How can he reduce the deficit without cutting spending on these mideast wars including Afganistan? Why is Afganistan anymore important than Iraq when it doesn't even have oil. Is the guy nuts or just another stooge for the military-industrial complex and the neo-con looneys?"
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1/15/2009 9:02:37 AM
This is just my point of view and I am sure there are lots of people who appreciate a variety of opinions.. it's possible peace could be closer than you all think.. as I have noticed and said before in a number of ways, the road to peace has to start with each of us rather than placing all of our hopes on governments or politicians. Don't think as just one individual person you do not have an effect in the world with what you choose to bring to it.
Yep.. I know, that means looking within yourself and on a daily basis that we might use a hint of compassion for our neighbors as you most likely do not know each other at all.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/15/2009 9:19:27 AM
"How many American lives are worth trying to find someone that many sources feel has been dead for years now Holo?"
You assume that Obama as commander and chief will be incompetent like Bush.
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1/15/2009 9:28:30 AM
"You assume that Obama as commander and chief will be incompetent like Bush."
http://www.waketheflockup.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html
"Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication. Click for full sized image
With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival? [New York Times. July 11, 2002]"
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Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead
Pakistan's president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease.
[A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and "it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout." [CNN]
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Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen
Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]
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When you hear a threat which is "probably" made by bin Laden, just remember that he's "probably" dead.
Also think about who benefits from your believing he's alive.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/15/2009 10:20:11 AM
Coincidentally, Hitler is still alive.
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1/15/2009 10:43:43 AM
No, I think he's been dead for a long time Holo as Bin Laden is also. But assume the coming military adventure does find him alive and he's brought to trial. What is really accomplished by making a martyr of him? And again.., how many American lives is his capture worth?
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1/15/2009 11:01:51 AM
Care to guess which country this oil will have to be transported through if Western Oil Companies can successfully tap these reserves Holo? (So enough of the "get Bin Laden" nonsense..)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/centralasia/uzbek-energy.htm
"Uzbekistan currently possesses about 600 million barrels of proven oil reserves, but this is soon expected to increase. There are 171 oil and gas fields, over 60% of which are in the Bukhara-Kiva region, which accounts for about 70% of Uzbekistan's oil production. The second largest is the Fergana region, which contains about 20% of Uzbekistan's oil fields. There are also oil deposits being developed in southwestern Uzbekistan at Kokdumalak, Shurtan, Olan, Urgin, and south-Tandirchi. Oil exploration is also being pursued on the Ustyurt plateau and in the Aral Sea.
The Uzbek government is offering production sharing agreements (PSAs) in over 80 of the oil fields (estimated to contain about 1.2 billion barrels of oil), which is expected to attract $400 million in investment. Of the oil fields offered, 78 are contained in 16 exploration blocks. There are also eight individual fields -- four in the Southwest Gissar Basin (Dzharkuduk, Gumbulak, South Kizilbairak, and South Tandircha) and four in the Amudarya region (North Shurtan, Shakarbulak, South Kemachi, and Umid). "
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Bob Elliott
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1/15/2009 11:44:41 AM
Having seen several videos of Bin Laden where he comments on current things, it's hard to believe he's dead, although I haven't seen any of those for at least a year now, so who knows.
I really don't think, and no one has claimed, he is the sole or even top reason for engagement in afghanistan. Terrorist support and training have for some time been centered there. That was the correct target after 9/11, and that is well known.
Sterlin's point is valid: no one ever prevails in that country, and you can be sure all parties understand this problem.
It's still the appropriate target of our efforts in a way that Iraq was not.
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1/15/2009 11:54:15 AM
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We could have had Iraq for a nickel on the dollar without firing a shot and the whole country would embrace us now.. Not sure the same was possible in Afghanistan but now Pakistan is tottering due largely to our military involvement in Afghanistan, Lord only knows will come next if we don't find a sensible way out.
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Andy Broad
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1/15/2009 12:31:37 PM
That's possibly the reason (if not neccessarialy a justification) having contributed to destablising the afganistan / pakistan region, they can't afford to let it fall over.
Pulling more cards out of the house of cards seem a dangerous way to keep it from falling over though ....
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Conversation Suicide
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1/16/2009 4:02:47 AM
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I'm with Holo, Enox and OTHERS on this one.
BUt if Daddy Bush got off scott-free for the whole IraN/cONTRA scandal and many other atrocities, why would we expect anything less for georgie porgie junior?
Sigh.
And Enox is right....Unfortunately, though eloquent & usually appearing as a man for the people, Obama is definitely connected to the rich-whitie/corporate AmeriKKKa, good ole boy network. So his hands are kind of tied on this one.
BUT, it'd be really cool if a miracle happens in these next 4 years, and Barrack decides to make decisions with GOOD counsel & a higher calling for human rights, etc.....
Just so I don't come across as a discouraged, negative-nelly.... Obama bein' REAL, and HONESTLY making efforts towards MAJOR change, COULD happen.
-my two bits, pHLeGm
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Conversation Suicide
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1/16/2009 5:20:05 AM
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Hey Enox - I'm pretty good at that there HTML so here's the LINK to your MUCH MORE politically charged station:
LET FREEDOM RING
LET that REAL freedom MUTHA FUCKIN' RING out there, WITH, or WITHOUT Obama on board!
Again folks, we are in an era wherein' MUSIC with a POLITICAL message for REAL change is needed more than ever, to somehow bring us closer to REAL peace in this fucked up world.
-ENOX - >>> Great to talk with you over the telephone, as usual brother. Lookin' forward to one day meetin' ya in person.
Holo - good topic.
-pHLeGm
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Beth Fridinger
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1/16/2009 9:42:00 AM
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I agree with the Man with No Band....we need to fix the mess and get on our feet and change...we need to save ourselves from oblivion and the worst mess we've seen in a long time....and if he were to try and prosecute now, maybe he'd end up being killed...we need him to fix the mess, and he has a lot to fix.
Maybe later, as things come to light and people wake up, this may come about though...you never know...but for now, the entire world is at stake thanks to that administration. Perhaps things will come out in the open after awhile...but the country isn't ready for it yet...the time has to be right.
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never never band
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1/16/2009 10:44:50 AM
well, I agree with certain points of this thread
1. bin laden is dead (I've said so sine Bush disbanded the department in charge of finding him...) Bin Laden Tapes are a cointelpro branding campaign at this point used as strategy...I leave it up to you to decide who propegates this branding campaign.
2. Pakistan is is in turmoil and if it becomes a failed state we will have another nuclear arms bake sale (the first already came compliments of Ron Raygun and the fall of the soviets last time we fucked arounf in Afghanistan)
3. Obama will not prosecute...(because that's not what the president does, but I still have some hope that the discovery process itself in several detainee cases will lead to Rumsfeld and Cheaney and Bush and Ashcroft...)
4.Our screwing around in Afghanistan and Uzbekistan and the Caspian region is motivated by OIL, but it's become a nastier mess than that now..just like last time)
5. HOLO is right about 89.5% of what he types. Making him more reliable than any major news network
and last of all
6. GAZA IS THE WORLDS LARGEST PRISON and is being bombed with your tax dollars.
oh wait...thats the elephant in the room that nobody talks about.....my bad.
This has been a PANick report
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never never band
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1/16/2009 1:33:58 PM
fuck Hamas..
but you know, when a people are surrounded by concrete walls and bombed and bulldozed into oblivion it's not unusual that they would elect a government that reflects their anger, bitterness and hopelessness.
Israel as a Jewish state is a Racist concept, And Israel as our 51st state drawing billions from our treasury to pursue that end is a sham.
"Islamo Fascism"
Is that the current Branding Campaign Larree?
this is not a two sided thing, it's not nearly so simple as the current advertising campaign would like to make it.
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never never band
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1/16/2009 1:57:49 PM
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this pece by David Bromwitch is worth reading
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 5:57:47 PM
"Please wake the fuck up. America and Israel are the good guys."
I'm sorry to inform you .... but ...
Roy Rogers was the last of the good guys ... it's a shame they made him kill Indians on screen though ....
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 6:03:35 PM
"Might as well take advantage of this double post to say that I am proud to be American, Jewish, and 100% behind the USA and Israel, and I hope all the haters in the world wake up before it is too fucking late! "
Well it's a good thing you didn't put "White" in there ... for a minute I was thinking you might be a bit prejudice ... :)
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 6:09:05 PM
So tell me this ..... If Israel are the "good" guys ... why will they not allow the international press into Gaza ?
Are they hiding something ???????
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 6:19:31 PM
I see .... I figured they were hiding some things ....
Let's see ... since this "offensive" started ... there have been 3 PERFECT Israeli citizens killed ... and over 400 worthless piece-of-shit Palestinian WOMEN AND CHILDREN killed ... give or take a few ...
Now it all makes sense to me .... seems fair .... I wonder why the WORLD doesn't side with the PERFECT ones ?
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 6:40:04 PM
"tries to kill regularly." Now there's a funny way to look at it ... the key word here is tries .... " Israel has every fucking right to defend herself and put an end to this bullshit."
Defending oneself and outright Slaughter are not the same thing ....
Israel doesn't even have the balls to own up to their own killing spree ... they say "We put the full blame of civilian deaths on Hamas .... BULLSHIT !
When a man walks into a liquor store and blows the clerks head off ... I don't blame his mother for the way she raised him .... I don't blame the kids at school that picked on him .... I don't blame the town in which he grew up in or the psychotic cult he may have joined .... I blame the guy who pulled the trigger ...
I am not racist in the slightest bit or form ... and in no way do I condone Hamas launching missiles into Israel ... you seem to ALWAYS twist the words of those who don't agree with Israel ... that shows who is racist ... You will back them 100 percent ... no matter what they do ... because you are racist.... or you wouldn't make such blanket statements ...
You have every right to see things the way you want to see things ... just know that everyone else has that right also ...
I NEVER BLINDLY FOLLOW ANY RELIGION, GOVERNMENT, PERSON or ENTITY .... just because they are "MY" people ... everyone is "MY" people ... and their are BAD guys on ALL fronts ....
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 7:03:07 PM
You are blind my friend .... but I love ya anyway ... :)
You are right ... this is not a game .... sadly it's a bunch of idiots who think that they are right ... and none of them are ...
Like I said before ... All of the good guys are dead, that is ... if they ever existed at all
Killing innocent people is wrong ... one or a million ....
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The Man With No Band
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1/16/2009 7:22:52 PM
Now that the juices are flowing ..... I expect to hear some mean ass guitar on the "new release" section soon !!!!!!!!!
Rock on my Brother !!!!!!!
oh .... and just for the record ... shhhhh don't tell anyone .... I AM PRETTY DAMN IGNORANT at times !!!!!! .... :)
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/16/2009 7:28:26 PM
Larree, you are boring. You turn every political thread into "Look at me, I'm Jewish and everything Israel does is perfect". America favors no ally more, I don't think you have that much to complain about re: Americans. I don't see anybody really disagreeing with you outside the occasional crank, so give it a rest?
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Beth Fridinger
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1/17/2009 12:35:32 AM
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The Bush family did business with the Bin Laden family for years....so...it makes sense to me that he wouldn't actually go kill the guy's son.
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never never band
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1/17/2009 8:22:37 AM
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actually, I brought it up....
and yes, you do have the right to respond.
you sound like an over the top Zionist nutcase and a racist at times, but thats still within your rights......
What Israel actually wants is to expel all of the Palestinian peoples, send them away, and then get rid of the 19.5% of Israels population that is Arab.
Israel's Parliament has passed a law preventing Palestinians who marry Israelis from living in Israel.
Israel does not want a democratic state for all Jews Christians and Muslims, they want an Gigantic jewish country club with strict racial/religious exclusivity...and we pay to help them do this.
Israel condemns Saudi Arabia for this religious Apartheid but practices the very same thing by a slow attrition and walls and gunships and bulldozers and Anser3 Prison...and legislation.
Israeli Arab political party Balad, recently banned from the upcoming general elections by Israel's central elections committee, warned on Wednesday that if the court upholds the committee's decision, the party will call for a boycott of the elections and establish an alternative Arab parliament.
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1/17/2009 10:06:30 AM
I think you're barking up the wrong tree Panick and if you think your own views wouldn't be hardened by the daily threat of annihilation not to mention people exploding in crowded buses, restaurants, other public places, well you're simply wrong. If a different part of the world, a different culture, one you'll never be able to understand unless you're a part of it.
Myself, I'd be happy to build each Palestinian family a nice suburban home somewhere away from where they live now so this conflict will finally end. There's plenty of space in the Greater Middle East to do this and I'd even bring them to America if no one else will take them in. It may not be right but it's better than what both sides must endure right now. That's the only peaceful end I can see to this conflict.
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The Man With No Band
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1/17/2009 11:02:56 AM
George Washington, first president, said this: "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."
Eldridge Cleaver, civil rights leader, said this: "Americans think of themselves collectively as a huge rescue squad on 24-hour call."
Toby Keith, populist country singer, said this: "This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage — and you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A."
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Eldridge Cleaver ... and Toby Keith ... are full of shit ....
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Chris Hance
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1/17/2009 11:17:37 AM
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pardon,
back 2 topic
I just watched some news footage with no sound, various locations and events,
The body language depicted Cheney as "working" Bush,
I reckon they both should be dropped off by chopper in the middle of baghdad and left to it.
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The CODE
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1/17/2009 11:26:58 AM
ALL WAR IS F_____ING POINTLESS
(in my opinion)!
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The Man With No Band
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1/17/2009 1:21:55 PM
"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration is aggressively pushing back against a federal court order instructing the most important offices in the White House to preserve all of their e-mail.
In court papers late Friday, the administration argued that a federal court has no authority to impose such a requirement on the offices of President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and the National Security Council.
The issue underscores the administration's narrow view of the court's authority in lawsuits over the White House's problem-plagued e-mail system.
The administration argued that none of the court's orders can apply to parts of the White House subject to the Presidential Records Act."
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Nope .... Bush and his cronies have nothing to hide ... or do they ?
I find it rather Bush like ... he aggressively wanted the power to read anyone's emails ... and yet, he thinks no one should read his ? ... I think he forgets who he works for ....
... of course the same people who said "Hey if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't have a problem with the Government reading your emails" .. are now the ones saying ... "Noone should read peoples emails" ... HA !!!!!!
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Jesse Adams
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1/17/2009 1:32:27 PM
Back and forth, back and forth... like a teeter-totter, only much more boring. :)
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Beth Fridinger
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1/18/2009 11:50:55 AM
I used to work with an Palestinian guy, and he said, Israel should not exist, they should be out of there period. So this is how the Palestinians feel....which is why they keep fighting Israel and sending suicide bombers in to kill ordinary people on buses or wherever...I believe this war will go on until one exterminates the other. Israel does have powerful weapons, and the bible says "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" so that is why they attack the Palestinians because the Palestinians attack them. So it looks bad what Israel is doing bombing the Palestinians, but it is true they constantly try to kill Jews every chance they can. I don't agree with either side...I wish they could have peace, but I don't think they will ever have peace.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/19/2009 9:47:44 AM
from politico
Pelosi vows Bush probe, open to prosecutions
In a Sunday Fox interview that's sure to get the attention of box-packers at 1600, Speaker Nancy Pelosi indicated she's open to backing prosecutions that arise from Congressional hearings into a range of controversial Bush White House actions.
"I think you look at each item and see what is a violation of the law and do we even have a right to ignore it," the California Democrat told Chris Wallace.
Last week House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) called for criminal investigations of Bush administration Iraq and anti-terror policies.
Pelosi was careful to skate carefully between Conyers and Barack Obama, who hasn't foreclosed the possibility of prosecutions while saying he was more eager to look forward than backwards.
But she was far less restrained when asked about the White House role in the firings of eight U.S. attorneys, vowing to push forward on hearings that could lead to prosecutions.
"That's not up to us to say that doesn't matter anymore... We cannot let the politicizing of, for example, the Justice Department to go unreviewed," she added. "I want to see the truth come forth."
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