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Holo Lukaloa
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2/12/2009 7:30:35 PM
Obama's Lincoln speech tonight was his best since race speech in Philadelphia.
It was incredible and so were the first 10 min. of Rachel Maddow's show discussing it.
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2/12/2009 7:55:42 PM
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Holo..., a lot of bad, I mean really, really bad political leaders can give great speeches.. Bad preachers, bad spouses, bad neighbors, they all got a great speech in them.
It's way to early to dismiss Obama but you would think the stock market wouldn't be tanking after this great stimulus bill passed.., and I don't think any amount of talking is going spur investment in this country.. And that's what we need right now.. Not hot air but real action.., I don't think our president is inspiring confidence where it's needed most..
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Holo Lukaloa
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2/12/2009 7:59:59 PM
You need to get your nose out of the windbag party that put America in this situation. Obama has done an amazing amount of positive things in his 24 days in office. Meanwhile the Repubs are a total joke, they're about one thing and one thing only, hoping Obama flops so they can keep their jobs.
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Jesse Adams
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2/12/2009 8:07:59 PM
Holo I love Obama. He's the first president I've actually given a shit about... ever... and I'm 27 years old.
But let's be real.
Don't you mean Jon Favreau's Lincoln speech was the best since the Philly speech?
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Holo Lukaloa
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2/12/2009 8:12:21 PM
No, Obama writes his own speeches and then his helpers give them the once over.
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Jesse Adams
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2/12/2009 8:55:17 PM
Well then I've learned something this evening.
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2/12/2009 9:11:18 PM
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"No, Obama writes his own speeches and then his helpers give them the once over."
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Huh??? His 2004 address at the DNC was a classic Ronald Reagan speech, his Berlin address was sampled from at least a dozen great speeches, his campaign speeches were all sound bites from Ron Paul & Ronald Regan to JFK and everyone in between. Sorry Holo but everything he says has a familiar echo to it but I give him high marks for showmanship and delivery. But for originality he gets a failing grade..
And enough of your partisan nonsense. We all have a stake in the future of the country, Jack Kennedy was to the right of Ronald Reagan both politically and economically, President Obama would do well to learn from him like Reagan did. Of course JFK was a true liberal who saw beyond party affiliation. Why don't you try that yourself sometime..
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The Man With No Band
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2/12/2009 9:20:31 PM
I don't think it's all showmanship Sterling ... I think the man genuinely cares ... and I think the man will do a good job ...
As far as speech writing ... one could not write an original speech today if he had to ... it's impossible ... all these words have been said over and over ...
He's not stealing lines to make speeches ... he's using words to describe how he feels ... and what his visions are ...
All you folks that scream about him being all show are just sour ...
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Holo Lukaloa
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2/12/2009 9:21:19 PM
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from Time magazine
Obama takes an unusually hands-on approach to his speech writing, more so than most politicians. His best writing time comes late at night when he's all alone, scribbling on yellow legal pads. He then logs these thoughts into his laptop, editing as he goes along. This is how he wrote both of his two best selling books—Dreams from My Father and The Audacity of Hope—staying up after Michelle and his two young daughters had long gone to bed, reveling in the late night quiet. For this speech Obama removed himself from the distractions at home and spent many nights in a room in the Park Hyatt Hotel in Chicago. These late-night sessions produced long, meandering texts that were then circulated to a close group of advisers, including Axelrod and Obama's speechwriter Jon Favreau—a 27-year-old wunderkind wordsmith. "When you're working with Senator Obama the main player on a speech is Senator Obama," Axelrod said. "He is the best speechwriter in the group and he knows what he wants to say and he generally says it better than anybody else would."
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Holo Lukaloa
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2/12/2009 9:25:30 PM
I see beyond party affiliation. I had actual hope that the repubs would try to work with Obama. I had no clue they are 100% about politics and zero about the country's well being.
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2/12/2009 9:34:23 PM
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Sam, his speech writers were sampling other speeches just like just like artists sample other people songs. What was getting huge response for candidates like Ron Paul and what had worked in the past for Reagan & JFK and was working for John McCain were were in almost all his speeches. Sure the rest do it to but this was almost verbatim. He gives a good speech and gets people excited. He got to me too by lifting lines directly from Ron Paul speech about standing up to big Pharma to a search later showed he had taken more money from them than any other candidate. I didn't see tonight's speech but I saw the one a few days back and it looked like another campaign rally to me..
He can get people excited anytime but but the people he needs to instill confidence in most are the people who are going to invest their money to get our economy on track again and that's where he's dropping the ball. I hope he wakes up soon or it's gonna be a long 4 years with this guy as president. I remember the Jimmy Carter years too well.. And that's what we have for president, another Jimmy Carter though I do hope he proves me wrong for the sake of all of everyone.
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Holo Lukaloa
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2/12/2009 9:49:01 PM
Another Repub talking point. Obama is the far other end of the spectrum to Carter. Reagan is a closer match to Carter than he is. :>)
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2/13/2009 6:33:10 AM
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foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/12/gop-threatens-legal-action-obama-plan-oversee-census
At the news conference Thursday, House Republican leaders announced the formation of a census task force to keep an eye on developments. Republicans displayed a large placard with a 2006 quote from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel that read, "If you think redistricting is always partisan and political which it is...it's going to be on steroids this time."
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Bryon Tosoff
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2/13/2009 7:56:42 AM
Well....at least something good is happening in the US. and Obama is trying to do what he can to pull the USA economy out of its self induced crap it got itself into
since the majority of its economy is consumer based and driven it is going to be a challenge to rescue it from going deeper into the recession it finds itself in.
The US Treasury has recouped a lot of American Dollars back from China which holds so much in US treasury bills ( Treasury bills which are highly coveted by China, India and numerous other countries, which ultimately will either assist in the recovery of the USA or hold it to ransom and do an economic Pearl Harbor to them which could happen, other countries are pulling the strings and manipulating more then what most Americans know...)...Recently they (the USA ) needed more monies to fund this most recent bailout by the Obama regime..
.So more Treasury Bills were issued and gobbled up by the Chinese...Who in turn gave back to the USA the money, (in digital transfers-kinda complicated to explain the whole process , but simply a computer transfer of monies back to the USA in order to facilitate this latest recovery package)
Anyways, I dont want to get into the entire thing how this whole process works
But basically it is that the USA is really dependent on other countries to essentially bail them out of this mess
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Holo Lukaloa
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2/13/2009 9:21:54 AM
"Holo. Obama's idea of "working together" seems to be to get the reps to go along with him and the dems, or else! Obama wouldn't know "bipartisanship" if it bit him in the ass!"
You are so misguided about this. Obama put all those taxcuts in the program because of his discussions with Republicans about what the balance of the stimulus should be. Then afterwards he realized it was a mistake to write the bill like that because they wanted credit for these parts of the bill. He was being bipartisan but they simply viewed any starting point as a negotiation tool when their interests had already been put into the bill.
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