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Holo Lukaloa
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6/11/2009 3:46:31 PM
Sarah Palin and her husband Todd are imbeciles
Have you seen this recent hassle they gave Letterman? Anyone with even half a brain knows Dave was talking about her older daughter but I guess they think Americans are really stupid or something.
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Mr. Ed
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6/12/2009 5:04:06 AM
I dunno, ...I cankind of understand their anger and attempt at defense of their daughter.
After all, imagine how upset you would feel if it were your fourteen year old daughter's baby who could be facing a hefty fine and suspension at birth after testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/12/2009 5:58:35 PM
Come on Larree, show some common sense. The joke wasn't about the ballgame, it was about the Palins. Obviously it was about the daughter that got knocked up while in their household.
The sick part about this is that it's another example of them exploiting their own kids for political gain. Like when Sarah brought the baby onstage or brought the kids "out" for the Republican convention. Even bringing up the topic of rape was certainly very foolish and wrong to do. It backfired on them as usual, because they're just stupid.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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6/12/2009 7:59:00 PM
---- Updated 6/12/2009 8:00:23 PM
"Anyone with even half a brain knows Dave was talking about her older daughter "
Holo, you have a way of setting up your opinions by insulting anyone that does not agree with you.. Here, if someone thinks otherwise they are lacking even half a brain.
Bottom line, this was a stupid, careless Joke. I don't think he was talking about the fourteen year old...however Dave and his staff should have done their homework. The younger daughter attended the game, this joke should have been scratched.
I think Dave should have included this in his response.....he did not mention the fourteen year old being at the game. The joke would not have worked if it was not known Palin was there with her daughter...would it? He should have said he screwed up and should not have said it when this fact was known. People are not required to give Dave the benefit of doubt, The fact is the fourteen year old was the only daughter who attended the game... stupid move on Dave's part.
Is Palin using this for political gain? sure....but Dave is getting a ratings boost and he loves it. As for politicians and their families, they have been dragging them on stage as far back as I can remember...Obama did the same. It is disingenious to slam her for it.
I don't think she can beat an incumbent President, especially one with the popularity of Obama. Obama is the only one that can screw things up.....
The more Palin is slammed by the liberal media for her response, the more attention she gets... and I think this was Palin's goal all along.
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/12/2009 10:04:46 PM
You are both absolutely insane or idiots if you think Dave was talking about the 14 year old, it's as simple as that. I thought you were both smarter than that. I make no apologies for thinking you're both fools right now.
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Reality Check
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6/13/2009 12:04:21 AM
Holo, you're nuts. That stupid joke is just as unacceptable for someone's 18 year old daughter as it is a 14 year old. And you don't need a degree to understand that Holo, you just need to be normal.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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6/13/2009 12:44:14 AM
---- Updated 6/13/2009 5:39:42 AM
Do you even read our responses before you blindly throw out insults?????? I get it now, I don't think you ever "fully" read a damn thing I wrote on your blogs.. The second you read something that does not fully reconcile with your one -sided MSNBC slant you tune out.... your beyond appreciating a differing view.
Here was what I wrote, I could not have made it it any clearer... I am not an idiot Holo, I am quite lucid thank you...
"Bottom line, this was a stupid, careless Joke. I don't think he was talking about the fourteen year old...however Dave and his staff should have done their homework. The younger daughter attended the game, this joke should have been scratched."
Check yourself Holo, ......
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6/13/2009 2:01:10 AM
who in hell would not agree that Palin et al are a massive drag-factor for humanity?
If people like her weren't there we could all get on with stuff.
peter
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/13/2009 5:16:02 AM
I think they're prudes or something. Letterman is mainstream humor and so waa that joke. I cannot believe they're on here acting like it was some awful poliically incorrect gaff. What would they do if they heard Andrew Dice Clay, call 911?
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Reality Check
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6/13/2009 6:25:52 AM
Mainstream humor? It's about as mainstream as you are.
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AnigmaS
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6/13/2009 9:40:40 PM
I have to agree with Sarah Palin on this.
After all, ...I would hope that a wise Alaskan woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.
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The Last Unicorn
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6/14/2009 2:12:51 AM
i found that offensive to the underaged and the family.. no humor in that at all.
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/14/2009 3:10:49 AM
It wasn't about the underaged.
Imagine, David Letterman too risque for a group of artists. Really old, humorless artists, I guess.
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/14/2009 3:19:01 AM
Gov. Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. And you thought John Edwards was in trouble before! Now he has really done it. -- "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno," 9/2/08
Uhh Oh, Leno did the same thing. Those damned comedians are just evil!!
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The Last Unicorn
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6/14/2009 4:31:28 AM
well Holo.. as my child would honestly say in today's world it's just so 1 second ago, and imo politics generally hinders creativity of all ages.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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6/14/2009 7:23:14 AM
So Holo, someone took the time to find a Joke from Leno......
For what? what the hell does that prove? Since when do two wrongs make a right?
That one is not funny either...
Face it, you are not objective.... you lean so much to the left you walk in circles... :)
This should not be getting any attention, Dave screwed up...the fourteen year old went to the game, the joke hinged on it... dumb ass mistake. Simple as that...
Move on.
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/14/2009 9:26:38 PM
I'll say it again. Anybody who thinks for one second that Letterman would tell that joke about a 14 year old is an absolute moron, cut and dry. I don't care how you think he should've worded his joke, you all know that's what it wasn't about and you're a disingenuous pile of poopoo if you deny that.
The joke was not unlike hundreds of jokes told like that by late night comics. You're like church marms here, it's ridiculous.
It was the Palins that put their older daughter in the spotlight and it was the Palins who savored talking about the rape of their 14 year old daughter for cheap political gain.
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The Last Unicorn
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6/15/2009 12:43:32 AM
Holo, just to offer an example as i feel people have in various ways.. these views you suggest are why most people are sick and tired of those who do not take responsibility for their opinions as their own, why project onto people you don't even know..? The fact that you've promoted yourself and ideas as FACT for so long speaks volumes. I think people have been more than patient here, speaking calmly and with reason of mind yet you don't get the damage of your words and over time. You don't have to agree with criticism but we might all learn something about the effect we have in communities such as this if you really take the moment to look upon yourself with such honesty, and of course this is just my opinion as well.
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Kevin White
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6/15/2009 2:11:33 AM
---- Updated 6/15/2009 2:17:05 AM
Classic case of commerce vs public/private ... and it means absolutely nothing of substance.
Letterman's stock and trade is jokes. The public didn't know or care that the Palins' were in NY w/ their 14 year old. The GP is relatively blissfully ignorant of most details of the news, and may have only known that the Palin family was in NY w/o full knowledge of the details.
That said, what is going to be funny to the public is a joke about the Palins from what they know:
> What she looks like (the stewardess joke)
> What's GENERALLY KNOWN of her family ... being her child's bastard child while running as VP. (The knocked up joke ... and others)
> Their religious beliefs (other jokes to be written ... because their jokes and gaining national status is on THEIR agenda ... nobody's fault but theirs)
... all the while never mind that the other people didn't complain that the joke was primarily about THEM ... with the Palins as a contextual background.
Who the fuck thinks this is really important?
Holo "sometimes" goes over the top, but he's absolutely 100% spot on this point.
You put yourself out there and EVERYTHING YOU HOLD NEAR AND DEAR IS SUBJECT TO EVERYTHING THE PUBLIC WILL THROW AT IT.
You don't get to set the "rules" when you are in the national eye. There are no rules. The Palins are experienced enough with that to know what to expect ... so chew on that a sec ...
It's like the teacher in NY who posed nude in a major publication and then got mad because she got fired.
SAME dynamic.
Which means that all this is is the Palin's mining publicity to remain in the spotlight ... keeping the name alive, so to speak.
Which ... of course ... is a politician's stock and trade.
Discussing it simply feeds both needs.
I'd rather let it die.
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/15/2009 2:23:10 AM
All about ratings folks
The Letterman ratings took a nosedive when Conan O'brien took to the airwaves with his new show...so the suits over at letterman's end had a big pow wow and gambled and won, the Lettermen shows ratings took off north after the dip south and Conan's went a bit south recently and leveled off....so next move, well probably it is Conan having Palin on his show : )
again. lets just let it be for what it is. networks going for that big surge.
bt
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Kevin White
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6/15/2009 2:36:40 AM
Exactly, Bryon.
Both sides benefit from the dust up ... and so create more dust up. Wait for it.
I'd like to take a fire hose to it.
It's nonsense ... unworthy of discussion. It doesn't mean anything.
Let's now move to an intense discussion of Oprah's weight fluctuation.
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/15/2009 9:02:18 PM
The difference is that the Palins love to put their daughters in the middle of media garbage.
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/15/2009 9:28:20 PM
---- Updated 6/15/2009 10:21:52 PM
Has nothing to do with that at all Holo
it has everything to do with the suits and writers at the Networks, they plan this stuff out. just like I explained, I have been involved with this type of thing and it all has to do with one upmanship and getting a jump on your competitors and getting a buzz going and that is what lettermans group did.they were losing points and their market share..their ratings dipped drastically , they had to recover that and got a bounce from It .had nothing to do with the Palins.and everything to do with market share and how to get people back in the fold and watch lettermans show because they would be expecting more of the same ...but obviously you dont get that and wont accept that fact. Media works that way...
edited.....
Holo it was discussed once they caught wind of Palin being in NYC,and there writers came up with this juicy tidbit, (which IMO was tasteless ) like I said lettermans show was suffering something bad when his show went into a drastic freefall in the ratings..., they had to turn it around,they jumped at this opportunity and created quite a stir, free advertising, media blows it all out of proportion ,like Kevin said it sure be nice to take a fire hose to these dopes and clean up the swill that is talked about on these programs.. but that is the show biz, and these guys know what they are doing. it is all about getting points and your market share and or more
that is it. if you still dont get it and how this biz works then you just dont get it...
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/15/2009 10:04:43 PM
Bryon, they tell jokes like that all the time on Letterman, he had no way of knowing the conservative clowns were going to make a fuss about it.
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SqurlyMurly
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6/16/2009 12:25:34 AM
so let me get this straight.....
John McCain was wrong for telling a joke about rape; according to Holo (i recall his post)
Letterman is okay cause he just told a joke about some guy "knocking up" some young girl (14 or 17)
it must be nice to reside inside your head, Holo.
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Kevin White
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6/16/2009 1:46:49 AM
Hey Muriel!
I wonder too. Holo makes a post that ignores the ground I already covered.
He must be very busy to ignore reading his own threads. That's fine. There is a recession on ... and we all have become MUCH more concerned with revenue generation.
I'm not insulting Holo, I'm respectful of his personal challenges. But his comment seems hurried and not mindful of other posters ... and that must be his world these days.
It's a hard world.
Most aren't quite themselves ... (especially here in anon land) so replies are hurried, and full explanations of complex issues may not satisfy.
If viewed outside of stupid bbs convo ... Holo is a person I'd like to have a wine with and discuss matters of the world. At least he cares about matters of the world.
You would be another. I know you are conservative ... and I lean that way myself ... outside of religious alliances ... I don't equate the two.
Still ... we all must concentrate on what counts elementally ... where we all find basics in common ... for when thing get rough, decency counts most.
K-
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SqurlyMurly
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6/16/2009 2:52:35 AM
Kevin, you put it all in one word...decency!
I like Letterman. He's a funny and witty guy.
I haven't been around much. Just finished schooling in the Medical Assistant Program and doing my externship now. It keeps me busy but I still try to pop in once in a while and check things out.
It would be cool to actually sit down to dinner and discussion with all the numerous caring and exciting minds around here! So long as I can refrain from using those four-letter words!!
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/16/2009 7:49:49 AM
No, Kevin, I liked your post, agreed with all of it. I just posted that quicky to Larree cause I only had limited time on the net and he was calling me a lot of names. :>)
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Bananafishü
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6/16/2009 12:41:07 PM
Bananafishü.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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6/16/2009 4:42:24 PM
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"I told a joke that was beyond Flawed" Letterman last night. He confirms what I wrote earlier in this thread about the 14 year old being at the game, and the "perception" the joke was about her. He screwed up, and he knows it.....
I am sure you will twist this to suit you biased outlook....If you start using your "own" analysis instead of being clouded by your hate for all things conservative you will be more effective in trying to get your message out.
Also, when you call someone an Idiot when not full reading or "understanding" a response to your blog, the stand up thing to do is "apologize"..I won't hold my breath.
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/16/2009 5:31:23 PM
Jeff
That still doesn't make it better
The networks know what their doing and all that really mattered is they got their bounce and Letterman just keeps the story alive and the ratings are maintained
he aint sorry. none of them are, if they had any sense at all they wouldnt have stooped so low in the first place, they got what they wanted, nothing else matters his apology is meaningless...
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never never band
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6/16/2009 6:20:48 PM
But wait..
Sarah and Todd really actually are imbeciles..
really.
And their kid really did get knocked up....under their roof, seemingly they knew what was going on. By a kid whose mom is a local drug dealer!!
And they're all dumb as a box of rocks!!
they're creationists!! Who dont believe in Sex Ed!!!!!
they deserve ridicule!
Mock them!
ridicule them!!
ALL TOGETHER NOW!!!!
:-)
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/16/2009 6:29:11 PM
heh. last word
one thing about it, Holo does get the most responses from his posts,most times anyways, gotta give him credit for that....Go Holo
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never never band
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6/16/2009 7:53:30 PM
So we're all agreed then that the Premise and Title of the thread are correct, we're merely mired in the particulars.
yes?
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/16/2009 7:54:41 PM
---- Updated 6/16/2009 7:55:35 PM
Jeff, you conveniently left out this part.
"And I had, honestly, no idea that the 14-year-old girl, I had no idea that anybody was at the ball game except the Governor"
You fell for opportunistic, child-exploiting Sarah and Todd Palin who if they had an ounce of common sense would know Dave wouldn't talk about the 14 year old getting knocked up. Instead they proceeded to talk about their young daughter being raped to try to score political points. I will add that it would not surprise me one bit if the 14 year old did get knocked up, though it wouldn't be by Alex Rodriguez but some Alaskan homeboy. :>)
Bryon thanks for the shoutout but Letterman is a sincere guy, he felt bad that his joke was perceived that way, and he surely didn't tell it specifically for a ratings boost. I read today that Conan O'Brian has told many more jokes about the Palin daughter getting pregnant, how come nobody is making a fuss about him?
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6/16/2009 7:56:56 PM
hey Panick, did you get that email I sent ya the other day ?
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never never band
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6/16/2009 8:01:43 PM
I had missed your message but I just read it Scott.
I've been vacationing the past few weeks and my inbox got kind of full..
:-)
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Sly Witt
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6/16/2009 8:18:24 PM
I had NO idea which daughter was at 'the game'. I have NO idea which game it was.
I DO know that the 18 year old daughter who is an unwed mother is the spokesperson for a national abstinence group, which imho opens her up to political satire. Why do you think she, of all the unwed mothers in America, was picked as the spokesperson? Might it be because of who her mother is?
The joke was a lame joke, and quite obviously meant for the older daughter. Letterman not only explained, but he apologized for any misunderstanding. You folks- on both sides- who are getting all overwrought need to go listen to some music and chill, me thinks.
The folks on the fringes not only don't have a sense of humor but seem to lack common sense, it seems.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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6/16/2009 8:28:00 PM
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Sly, I get it.... Please....
Holo You insult my intelligence once again... I covered the bit about Dave failing to do his "due diligence" before he made the Joke. Damn you are dense...
I did not fall for anything, for the record I read Palins response to Dave's "apology" and I found it self serving, political and pathetic.
Holo , You have no integrity, and you are very stubborn..... I do believe you lack basic analysis skills as evidenced by your refusal to consider the point of views of others..One of these days you will think for yourself,....
Good Luck with that...
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Holo Lukaloa
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6/16/2009 8:30:15 PM
Lee Stranahan Posted: June 15, 2009 11:17 PM
Sarah Palin Named Nation's First Humor Czar
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In a hastily called press conference, Sarah Palin - the Governor of Alaska and a key to Republican success in the 2008 Presidential election -- was today named as the United State's first "Humor Czar"; a newly created position in The Department Of Homeland Security. Palin, who is as well known for her intellect as her sense of humor, will be responsible for overseeing and approving all of America's "jokes, gags, satire, mirth, merriment, irony, one liners, bits, sketches and other humor related materials."
Humorists including David Letterman, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, Will Ferrell, Adam McKay, Chris Rock, Will Durst, Andy Borowitz, Andy Cobb, Lee Camp, Whoopi Goldberg and Obama Girl could not be reached for comment as they were all being transported to Guantanamo Bay, newly rechristened "Budd Friedman's The Improv At Guantanamo Bay." Early reports are all expected to plead guilty on Palin's upcoming "Showtime At The Tribunal!" special and have asked supporters to please tip the waitresses, because they work hard out there.
At the news conference, Palin was flanked by comedians Larry The Cable Guy and Dennis Miller. Both expressed support for Palin and agreed comedy had gone 'too far' in a direction they called "un-funny, un-American and un-good." When asked by reporter Tommy Christopher about the ramifications of mass censorship, Mr. The Cable Guy replied, "Censorship? Git 'er done!". Most reporters chuckled, especially when Governor Palin glared at them with a wide, twisted grin on her face.
In a dramatic twist at the press conference, comic Dennis Miller caught a glimpse of himself in the mirror standing with Palin and Larry The Cable Guy. A look of sudden recognition came over his face before he grabbed a loaded revolver from a Secret Service agent, made a quick reference to 13th century French architect Jean de Chelles and then blew his own brains out. Palin roared with laughter.
Palin made a brief statement in which she said that jokes about rape clearly crossed a line, particularly since rape was so serious a crime that women should be required to pay for their own rape kits and should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term if they were raped. She said that it wasn't funny that Alaska's rate of rape and sexual assault were high above the national average and that it also wasn't humorous in any way that her promotion of 'abstinence only' sex education had resulted in her teenage daughter becoming an unwed teenage mother. Reporters sat quietly since none of this was, in fact, funny and Palin has recently banned irony.
Palin responded to questions about whether Letterman had unfairly exploited her children for publicity by throwing her baby with Down's syndrome at Helen Thomas's head, then pointing in another direction and screaming 'Socialist!' a high screechy voice.
When asked about her former running mate John McCain having made a joke in 1998 about Chelsea Clinton being 'ugly', Czarina Palin pointed out that jokes about the Clintons are funny. A nearly dead Dennis Miller agreed.
The announcement of Pain's new position was made by Governor Palin's husband, Todd. It's not clear if the Obama administration is aware of the appointment.
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never never band
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6/16/2009 8:51:39 PM
HA HA HA!!!
ya see?
That's funny!!
Ridiculing stupid and dangerous people is funny! It creates a needed catharsis in a toxic environment!!!
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/16/2009 9:41:42 PM
This is just too much, over a comment.
well just goes to show you that each of us including me has got their priorities totally screwed up. we should be spending time helping the unfortunate , and volunteering the time assisting others who need help, we all waste here on this blog. truly pathetic
out
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never never band
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6/16/2009 9:57:41 PM
---- Updated 6/17/2009 12:32:01 AM
Oh shut up sally, I bet you dont do a lick of real community service.
If I were Dave writers tonights show would start with this.
"Sarah, I'm through trying to placate you, you humorless cow, if you cant take a tasteless joke on late night TV for adult audience then you need to go to bed earlier. You've shown that you are willing to throw your children in to any fray for political gain, you passed your disabled baby around the room at the convention like Bong at a rainbow gathering, you have no regard for rape victims in your own state, no regard for science in any state, and your unwed teenage daughter now has not only to care for your disabled baby (conceived and delivered at the height of your frantic schedule and demanding career) but now she has to raise her own child as well, without a father, because you were unqualified and unwilling to teach those kids a thing or two about safe sex and civic duty.
In the future please refrain from trying to converse in either humor or serious topical discussion as you are grossly unqualified to deal with either.
G'night,
your pal
Dave."
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/16/2009 10:02:21 PM
heh, your funny. Sally is a good name, but dont waste it on me.
I gotta get my recital programmes and certificates finished and go teach now
Tosoff
off
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Jeff Allen Myers
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6/16/2009 10:06:29 PM
I don't agree with this at all...
NEW YORK (CNN) – Despite an apology Monday night from David Letterman, a protest rally outside of Letterman's Ed Sullivan Theater in New York will still go on as planned Tuesday, according to its organizer.
Dave apologized, time to get a life.
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Kevin White
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6/16/2009 10:43:49 PM
Holo, that blog had me in stitches ... I'm still chuckling ... thanks for that.
I hear an abortions rights group is planning on showing up at that protest rally and handing out condoms with Bristol Palin's image on it.
The back side quotes her saying, "I've always been absent, I mean abstinent. I didn't know what I was doing. I thought it was a drinking game until I had a baby. I have no idea what these are for."
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Bryon Tosoff
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6/17/2009 12:36:22 AM
And the beat goes on
one of the most amazing blogs ever.
good one Holo
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Sly Witt
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6/17/2009 7:54:10 PM
Well, at least I found out where Lee Stranahan landed. This thread wasn't a total loss.
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