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Holo Lukaloa
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10/9/2009 1:14:17 PM
Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
It's deserving. A great day for the US.
OSLO — President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to build momentum behind his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
Obama said he was surprised and deeply humbled by the honor, and planned to travel to Oslo to accept the prize.
"I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many transformative figures that have been honored by this prize," he said. "I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the challenges of the 21st century."
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Conversation Suicide
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10/9/2009 2:08:44 PM
Quite frankly Holo, Obama DOESN'T deserve this.
He's no Ghandi, and he's NO Martin Luther King, Jr.
AND he's moving WAY too SLOW at pulling the troops out of the Middle East.
AND he's done so LITTLE towards legalizing Marijuana, but that's NOT the point.
It's about this GODDAMN WAR for OIL, NOT freedom.
In REALITY, he has had to send MANY MORE troops over there, and is STILL having to send yet MORE, since he came in office.
He would be WORTHY of this Peace Prize MAYBE, once he actually pulls us out...
Oh well. Congratulations, I guess there's nobody else out in the World Today striving for Peace, so Holo, he'll have to do.
What a sad state of affairs.......
-pHLeGm's pHuCked-up pOLiTicAL pERsPeCTive
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/9/2009 2:17:30 PM
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hey Holo, I like the guy a lot , he is indeed the best thing that could have ever happened in the United States,in awhile,and his vision for improving things in the US is vital to the recovery of your nation, but awarding him the Nobel peace Prize! come on, Over rated...there are many more people deserving of this award who have been around for far longer doing the work of promoting peace and brotherhood then the current President....
but that being said..he has a lot of pull and influence at this time and I guess he deserves credit for influencing people in the know. but that is about it, he dont deserve any peace Prize.....
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Holo Lukaloa
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10/9/2009 2:18:06 PM
I'm sure the committee who chose him is more qualified to decide than you are.
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Frylock
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10/9/2009 2:28:23 PM
I think it's a plus for everyone. Sure, it's awarded somewhat on anticipation rather than achievement, but it should actually help facilitate the achievements it anticipates.
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Aimee Terrin
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10/9/2009 2:39:50 PM
An excerpt from the current front page of www.yahoo.com regarding another candidate that was nominated :
"Compare this to Greg Mortenson, nominated for the prize by some members of Congress, who the bookies gave 20-to-1 odds of winning. Son of a missionary, a former army Medic and mountaineer, he has made it his mission to build schools for girls in places where opium dealers and tribal warlords kill people for trying. His Central Asia Institute has built more than 130 schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan - a mission which has, along the way, inspired millions of people to view the protection and education of girls as a key to peace and prosperity and progress."
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/9/2009 2:44:53 PM
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Holo
Sure, I agree with you, that is my opinion, as was Phlegms but just because someone sits on a committee does not make them infallible or that they did not take in to account the many other individuals who who worked years promoting the idea of peace......They may be intelligent, well educated. but they are well paid (off) too.
Do you know the mechanics and the process behind this whole thing of how they determined the choice they made......
anyways
I think the man is a great example and a tremendous facilitator to make things happen and like anon frylock stated it is more based on anticipation then any actual accomplishment...that was an insightful idea put forth, and I agree, he really has done nothing yet of any consequence. look how hard Jimmy Carter worked and still does to promote world peace
anyways..i like what Aimee brought forward in her post.....thanks for that Aimee
A nice trophy and badge of honor.for Obama...I am sure he will add to the peace process for sure
all cool
best to him and to my southern neighbors....and Western neighbors in Hawaii too
bryon
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Frylock
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10/9/2009 2:53:45 PM
Right, the point was that Obama is in a unique position to do some good and this is something to give him a boost toward that. The committee may have felt that awarding the prize to Obama would be the decision that would have the most potential for bringing about peace, even though there are a number of other candidates who, based upon accomplishments, were certainly legitimate contenders.
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Ash Ferry
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10/9/2009 2:57:39 PM
The President of the United States is a humble man. He's got a lot on his plate. Give him some time. He's not Superman.
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/9/2009 3:04:53 PM
Yeah Frylock, I was surprised at the announcement of his being awarded the Peace Prize, and just thought, well the man has the tools to perhaps improve the current state of affairs in the world due to his abilities he has developed for many years in dealing with people. and now on the world stage he may be able to assist the Peace process and bring some honor and respect back to the USA as a nation who can improve the world through peaceful means rather then through warmongering as what was done in the last administration
Currently the way the world looks at America is one of disrespect and loathing and and maybe this could assist in bringing the USA back to her original position in the worlds eyes, because quite frankly the USA does not have the respect it use to have, perhaps Obama can bring that about
lets hope so, it is a grim picture with Iran at this time and many other countries in precarious tipping points such as Pakistan which could have some serious turmoil in the next few years, that place is a ticking timebomb...
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The CODE
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10/9/2009 3:04:58 PM
This may well backfire on B OB...pushing him into a corner!
Most of the comments I've seen today are NOT approving!
And WHO is on the committee Holo.. Do you know?
And we all thought...
TCHLTWH
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/9/2009 3:07:52 PM
Ash pointed out:
"The President of the United States is a humble man. He's got a lot on his plate. Give him some time. He's not Superman."
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Yeah, Ash you are right....he is humble, and caring and a down to earth good man
he is doing all that he can to improve his own country, and make it a better place.this does add a whole large and bigger challenge, but I am sure he is up for it
things will be just fine
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/9/2009 3:09:03 PM
I just want to add
HOLO
when it comes to controversial subjects you are KING
another kudo for you from me
nice one
bryon
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Frylock
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10/9/2009 3:25:47 PM
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Interesting take on this from Michael Moore:
View article
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/9/2009 3:39:38 PM
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CLASS MOVE by the President in donating million plus dollars proceeds to charity
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Noah Spaceship
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10/9/2009 6:07:30 PM
*i did not read any comments on this blog*
..with that said..
Fuck Yeah!!!
the world felt that election, and as far as enstilling hope,.. he sure as shit made that happen.
CONGRATS PRES OBAMA!!
..now get back to work, we need pot legalized, HAH!
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Frylock
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10/9/2009 6:43:05 PM
I think you dishonor the other posters by not reading what they wrote, and by proclaiming same.
I stopped there and did not read the rest of your comment. How do you like that?
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Logun
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10/9/2009 7:51:54 PM
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You say he doesn’t deserve it. You argue that what he did wasn’t enough, but let’s look at what his other choices could have been. He could have taken Bush’s route that cost us over 6000 dead and 102,016 of dead Iraqis.
Of course if President Obama had taken that route I promise you those numbers would be small in comparison. To have blindly gone to war with Iran would have caused so much more killing than you can ever imagine. Let’s look at the Chain Reaction:
China would have joined for the first time ever. Those that underestimate China might as well commit suicide and save the time. Millions and Millions of Deaths.
Iran’s well founded buddies would jump on the chance to attack Israel. Millions would die right than and there.
A window for North Korea would open and they would attack South Korea – Again Millions would die in Seconds. I know I have been there and we have ran this scenario a few times.
Troops in the Middle East would be cut off and facing a greatly outnumbering siege. Thousands of Deaths.
Bombings all over the world will erupt and Indonesia could very well find it’s self in a Civil War. Again Millions of Deaths.
This snowball gets bigger and if things did happen the way they could have you would be wishing/praying that they hadn’t….
Does he deserve it? Those Millions upon Millions of people that could have died by now, if he had just went to war like GW, think he does. I think he does.
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Frylock
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10/9/2009 8:22:14 PM
The question of "deserve" we can leave to those who want to discuss it, but strategically, I think it was a good thing.
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Noah Spaceship
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10/9/2009 10:02:01 PM
you are right frylock, that was rude.
i didn't mean it that way, I was excited to see the post and didn't have time at the time to hang out. I did read all the comments (later)
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Conversation Suicide
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10/9/2009 11:44:42 PM
I know why you touched a nerve, this time, with me Holo.
Even though NORMALLY I ignore your inflammatory posts, THIS TIME you've hit a CORE part of my being.
What we need in this VERY fucked up world right now is another Mahatma Ghandi, or Malcolm X....and ESPECIALLY another Martin Luther King, Jr.
C'mon, man! He's NOT pulling out fast enough... STILL far too many deaths. We need a goddamn revolution.
And he needs to come clean about America's WAR for OIL, and NOT freedom.
And the revolution, THIS TIME, will NOT be televised.
That's because the propaganda machines will NOT allow it to.
The only thing I can agree with, is MAYBE Obama, out of guilt for receiving the Peace Prize, will pull out the troops that much quicker, and start to REALLY make an impact on global politics, and our own country's VAST GAP between the UPPER and LOWER Class, and make some REAL steps towards ending this Pre-Depression Economy we're in.
REVOLUTION can only come through EVOLUTION of humankind.
END the opression. THE "have's" and the "have nots".
REDISTRIBUTE the wealth. End Capitalist excesses. FIGHT THE fuckin' POWER! These are not just CATCH-phrases, but what is ACTUALLY needed to CHANGE things, in REALITY; Put into actual Execution, action and practice.
I will end with a quote:
FROM Each according to their WORK, to each according to their need.
-pHLeGm
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Slimdog Productions
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10/10/2009 12:58:57 AM
As an African American, honestly, it wasn't his time. Too early. To me, there is still work for him to do. I like Obama, but this seems odd to me. Caught me by surprise.
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Holo Lukaloa
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10/10/2009 7:04:29 AM
Before Obama was elected the US had lost its standing in the world thanks to Bush's arbitrary war and policies of torture that went against everything America ever stood for.
In a very short time thanks to Obama we have again become respected and are considered honorable leaders of the free world again.
Sure there are unpatriotic buffoons who cheer against America having the Olympics and an American President winning the Nobel Peace Prize but this only underscores how politically desperate the rightwing nut squad is.
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Social Spit
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10/10/2009 8:46:10 PM
OBAMA... The NOBEL PEACE PRIZE??? NO SHITE? Well SUNUVABEEYITCH!
THAT is FUKKIN WAY TOO KOOL - And I HOPE The Prez smokes "KOOLS" - Ahaha!
HOLO!!!!!!
Welcome BACK, KOTTER!!!!
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Anon Twins
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10/11/2009 1:04:12 AM
Being nominated for the prize is not the same as winning it. Personally I believe Obama received the prize for his foreign policy initiatives in the middle east particularly his call for Turkey to join the EU. His call for Turkey to join the EU was a hard call. Turkey is a huge country, proudly nationalistic and Islamic. There are many small and wonderful countries that will be hurt in a very real way if Turkey joins the EU.
Turkey a huge country of nearly 80 million dwarfs the entire population of the Balkans. At first his call for the ascension of Turkey seemed callous to me considering the negative impacts on all those Balkan cultures I love so dearly. However after much thought I came to realize the basic wisdom of Obama's decision.
The point is Turkey and Turkish culture is coming to the EU. Turkeys population is young dynamic and growing fast. Then one has to consider the very real impact of radical Islam. There is a perspective where you can see radical religion whatever its particular dogmatic schema as just an expression of hunger, poverty, ignorance and social inequality.
Consider the Bosphorus , where you can take a ferry ride and see house after house worth hundreds of millions of Euro's at the same time within a few kilometers family's are desperately trying to survive living on the street, and these streets are among the toughest in the world.
By calling for Turkey to join the EU Obama is providing a genuine alternative path for this strategically placed Islamic nation. To gain consideration for ascension Turkey will have to embark on a series of social reforms in Education, Social Justice and Health. There is great support for ascension in the Turkish ruling elite that transcends the boundaries of their civil institutions. By following a path to ascension Turkey will escape the prospect of an Islamic revolution. Turkey will have a chance to evolve into a first world democratic and multi- ethnic state within the EU.
The alternative for Turkey, to become an isolated marginalized theocratic dictatorship will go a long way to destroying the aspirations of the Balkan peoples.
Obama's call was the correct call. Obviously many in the region are coming to support Obama's vision for the region
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=108734
Obama has learn't the easy decision is not always the correct decision. It is a good thing that the US has a leader that can see the issues so correctly and resolve them into a long term vision. This is a good thing for the world.
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Larree
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1/7/2016 9:38:53 AM
Okay. I know this is an old post, but I am so glad I found it. Why did he get this award in the first place? I think they should demand he return it because his failed foreign policy has us closer to WW3 than we have ever been.
President Obama, give it back!
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/7/2016 9:48:46 AM
What failed foreign policy? He led us to get Bin Laden which Dubya had totally given up on. He's dealt with Libya and ISIS without putting large amounts of American Troops at risk.
and btw, ISIS is losing bigtime of late. We just got the guys who pulled the Paris massacre.
Now under his watch we've cut off the oil so they have no more funding.
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Larree
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1/7/2016 10:41:11 AM
The whole Middle East is going to shit. Obama is the cause. He drew the line in the sand and didn't back it up. He needs to give back his prize.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/7/2016 10:56:57 AM
Really now, it's Obama's fault that there ain't peace in the Middle East!! Do you know how silly that is.
The funny thing about that whole "line in the sand" thing is that when it happened, right wingers were siding with Putin, calling him a hero because he kept Obama from going in to Syria.
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Larree
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1/7/2016 11:00:33 AM
It is Obama's fault for turning his back on our allies in support of Islamonazis and for that idiotic deal with Iran. Obama has done more damage to the Middle East than Carter-Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush combined.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/7/2016 11:31:29 AM
You probably think he's a muslim, doncha?
I guess you forgot that Dubya led us into a war under false pretenses that killed 4500 US citizens and up to a million Iraqis.
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Larree
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1/7/2016 11:34:49 AM
What a retarded assumption. Why do left wing nuts lump people into groups? I guess left wing nuts like you could never be in a truly progressive party like the republican party.
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Holo Lukaloa
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1/7/2016 11:39:35 AM
Why ?? You just claimed that Obama is motivated by supporting the Islamonazis.
Besides you basically follow the flow of Limbaugh and Levin, where do you differ?
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1/7/2016 1:26:15 PM
I could listen to you two for hours.
ISIS exists because we went into Iraq because Cousin George said so.
Great work, George.
And the guy we were supposed to be 'after'...
Osama bin Laden, remember that guy?
Yeah, it was 'dead or alive' till one day in 2003,
Cousin George gets on television and announces,
"The part of Osama bin Laden will now be played by Saddam Hussein".
And that was that.
Barack Obama, that would be the guy
who sent in the mission that got bin Laden finally.
He also sings nice.
And Hillary is at least very pretty.
I have a naked picture of her. She's friggin' HOT.
Yum.
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Larree
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1/7/2016 1:49:20 PM
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Holo? I said our president supports Islamonazis. I never said he was, or that I thought he was, a Muslim. YOU are a tool.
Oh. And I never listen to talk radio. I do not listen to either one of those guys. So, try again.
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1/7/2016 1:51:43 PM
Just because he hasn't 'killed them all' doesn't mean he supports them.
He's ordered more drone strikes, killing more of them, than you seem to realize.
But don't worry, here comes your boy Donald,
and he's going to kill them all, the only way he can,
by killing the entire everything, one planet, burnt to a nuclear crackley crunch.
Yum. Marshmallows anyone?
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Larree
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1/7/2016 1:53:00 PM
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Fuck drone strikes. I want to capture these assholes, send them to gitmo, and waterboard their asses.
Oh, and while "my boy" Donald wins the election "your gal" Hillary will (hopefully) be rotting in prison for her crimes.
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1/7/2016 3:09:58 PM
See, this is where you're a Fucktard.
Glad you brought it up.
Hillary ain't 'my girl'.
Okay, so I got a naked picture of her, and I enjoy looking at it sometimes.
But I'm not here stumping for Hillary, and you're a damned idiot
if you think that I am. I'd rather have Bernie in a row of Sundays anyway.
And half the time, at least, I'm sick of it all to think 'you know what,
let's just let Trump walk in and end it all',
because yeah, he'll get 'em all, I don't doubt it,
and he'll do it the only way that this is possible....
blow up the whole damned world.
I'm sorry if I'm not as enthusiastic about that as you....
but whatever, you're a last word freak.
So let's hear it now.
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1/7/2016 3:11:10 PM
By the way, To Bluto, and Any Moderator,
and any busybody who doesn't like I just said 'Fucktard'
Larree just called me that first, in another post.
I simply say 'okay, we can agree we each think that of the other'
nice n simple. just like me.
Nyeah Nyeah...
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1/7/2016 3:12:53 PM
Oh Hell.
That's ANOTHER thing you and I don't agree with Larree.
You're awful nice.
You wanna capture the "Islamanazis"?
What a nice guy you are.
You wanna 'waterboard' 'em? Gee what a swell guy....
I'm sooner down with Donald BLOWING UP THE WORLD
TO KILL THEM ALL.
That's me. Go ahead, Last Word Larree, Go For It.
It beckons to you, Son.
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