8/28/2009 4:02:33 PM
What did you play for your "Wedding Dance"

11/6/2008 5:40:35 AM
What's the point

10/27/2007 6:05:43 AM
Bless You Ozzy

8/28/2007 10:06:55 AM
Anyone got any stories (good or bad) about TAXI

8/28/2007 12:33:30 AM
SONG WRITING PREDITIONS?

11/6/2008 5:40:35 AM

What's the point
of uploading songs on music sites unless you promote them constantly, after the first rush they are just lost in the bowels of the internet? And then, what's the point of achieving lots of plays and station uploads aside from boosting your own ego?

What's the point of having people say nice things about you and you music when you'll never know if they really mean it?

The value to an artist is the money he can get for his music.

Everything else is vanity, insanity, bluff or bullshit!

11/6/2008 5:41:37 AM

I just wanna be heard.

11/6/2008 5:47:54 AM

What's the point of living? Everyone has their own answer.

11/6/2008 5:48:00 AM

its the music, it just keeps on coming... love it!

11/6/2008 8:15:02 AM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 8:21:38 AM

i don't care how many people listen to my music. i don't care if they like it. i have no ego, ergo vanity is not a factor. simply, i like the fact that somewhere, anywhere, some of my tunes may be heard, hence i upload it everywhere, because i can. and because it beats leaving my cassettes, minidiscs and cds rotting in a drawer. money i don't, and won't, make from any of it. so what? i plump for insanity :~)

11/6/2008 8:20:10 AM

I use to care. But now, it is a place for me to put my creations, as opposed to collecting dust in a book or tape somewhere where it really will NEVER be heard and also will probably be lost to you as well.

Having a nice page for it to live, in itself, can inspire more creativity.

Yes, we might be lying to you. But that may be because we prefer you to lie back to us. :-)

11/6/2008 8:37:12 AM

Ahh, so that's a vanity, an insanity a bluff and a couple of bullshits ;)) I was hoping that I'd find a kindred spirit on here who was realistic enough to agree with me, but I guess those folks will be long gone or far away now, working as car park attendents, bar tenders and cold callers for some guy who understands how to make money from a product in a dispassionate, pragmatic way.

11/6/2008 8:39:07 AM

Are you making any money?

11/6/2008 8:43:49 AM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 8:44:06 AM

You sound to me like an ego out-of-control, yourself.
Why, if I disagree with your "logic" am I vain?
Are you so brilliant that you are the only one that can see the "true" picture?

I have stated it before and will do so again here:
I do not want to be famous; I want my songs to be famous.

And, if I can make some money from that, great. But, if I do not, that's okay, too.

Now, that does not mean that I will allow others to make money off of my creations and hard work. But money is NOT the end-all be-all that you are making it sound like it is.

But music is a gift; it's mathematics and all the laws of the universe presented in aural form. It's the voice of God brought to us through those who are lucky enough to be able to hear it and translate it for the rest of us.

Listen to a piece that you really love and then try to tell me otherwise.

Money is nice, but music is more.


Okay, I'll get off my high horse now.

11/6/2008 9:01:29 AM

I don't think I had you down as the vain one :) But now I must seek another adjective to describe an ever hopeful dreamer who plods on knowing that he is his own best fan. If I had an ego I would have bothered to update or promote our music but I guess I can't be bothered.

So I'm getting the idea that the reason for uploading songs on music sites may simply be to have an easy storage and access to your own music. Nothing wrong with that but let's just get real and stop making up arty justifications.

11/6/2008 9:10:51 AM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 9:11:42 AM

Nothing arty about wanting to be heard.

Now to the concsiliatory part (pardon my spelling):

The rest of my ramblings, well... maybe. But it is something that I think about, especially when listening to something like Beethoven, or The Beatles, or really any other song that grabs me by the guts.

Physics is the attempt to understand the workings of the universe and, therefore the mind of God.
The laws of physics can only be explained through math.
Music = sound.
Music = math.
Music = the voice of God.

Okay, so maybe it's an excuse to lay this shit out.
But the bottom line remains:
I just want to be heard.

And that is the answer to your original question, isn't it?
"What's the point?"


And, I am curious, why does the bottom line matter so much to you, as to supersede all the good that music brings into your life? Or, does it?

11/6/2008 9:13:53 AM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 9:16:15 AM

Midriff wrote:

"So I'm getting the idea that the reason for uploading songs on music sites may simply be to have an easy storage and access to your own music. Nothing wrong with that but let's just get real and stop making up arty justifications."

....That's exactly what it is for me - Storage and access, but occasionally checking out other music here - Not often though, to be brutally honest.

When I first came to IAC I had more commercial expectations from the site. But I also didn't realise just how exclusively pro "Indie" and anti the music biz, IAC is. I don't have a problem with that but it's why I'm not very active here - It doesn't quite feel comfortable for me personally. For me, good music is good music, whatever its source or stance.

Having said that, there are some great people here who show much love and respect for others in their personalities. But inevitably, as everywhere, there are also some real serious arseholes - In my opinion.

11/6/2008 9:44:11 AM

When money becomes the focal point of anything it becomes soured ... No B.S. there, just truth ... you have already shown this to be true by feeling bad because uploading songs isn't bringing you any money ... money has already soured your gift ... and how you look at your own music ...

RedRobin .. for someone who is so apathetic, you sure bring up the Indie Verses Mainstream a lot .... Let the Indies have their say ... Mainstream has a multitude of corporations to do their speaking for them ...

11/6/2008 9:46:26 AM

red robin - 'inevitably, as everywhere, there are also some real serious arseholes - In my opinion.'
and how.

11/6/2008 9:52:44 AM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 9:56:26 AM

Oh God, here we go again. Another anon here to attack us all and tell us we're wasting our time at IAC.

I'm growing very tired of you assholes.

What's the point of coming on the pipeline and making stupid posts just to mess with the community here? Are you an artist? Do you know shit? Obviously you share no passion for music.

Get lost retard.

11/6/2008 10:15:27 AM

Sam - Although I see buying one's music as a manifestation of other's appreciation/liking/love of one's music, it's certainly not my motivation and I happen to be lucky/privileged enough not to need to work or make music for a living. It's a hobby and a personal expression and sharing.

I guess you're right - I do bring up the Indie vs Mainstream subject a lot. Something in my nature sometimes likes to challenge people and stir their thoughts up. Think of it another way - My mentioning the subject brings out the Indie flag-waving etc and may even cause consolidation for those who are so inclined. I mean no harm either way.

11/6/2008 10:25:29 AM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 10:27:06 AM

What's the Point? If you have to ask that you are not a writer, you are not an artist, you are not a musician, you are not a singer...

If you are any of those, I suggest you sell all your equipment or give it away... you have no passion, maybe you should join a softball league or something.

For those who have a talent, a drive, or a Love for music the point is simple....Its the Music...Its the love of creating,,Not everyone can accomplish the feat of writing, playing, singing, and recording a song. ....I do believe it is a gift, however the gift is just the beginning. Passion must be involved, ....

If you need to ask why...you do not have it. Sites like IAC are great in that it does give the music an outlet, If one person hears the song, that is a great gift. Artists and writers love to create, and they love to share their creations....Some may seek Money and Fame, but I believe most do it because they Love it. That to me is a Great Point!!!

If you are involved in music, I hope you get your passion back, until you do the music will suffer. Good Luck to you. Jeff

11/6/2008 10:56:43 AM

I am on the side of the joy is in doing it and letting others hear it. However the question bothers me how such bad music I read about selling millions of copies and exceptional music I've heard online doesn't seem to sell any copies. Could there ever be some bridging of the gap, I don't understand this at all.

11/6/2008 11:16:39 AM

Berlin, The majority of the listening audience are drones that must be told what they like. Music has become a commodity to many...an accessorie on sale.

Very few seek out new music that is not mainstream and has been mass marketed. Great music will always be in the shadows, Popularity and Money does not make a good song...we have all heard the trash. American Idol is a perfect example how the public can be influenced.

Keep creating.. It is whats important., ..People have minute attention spans these days... You tube, video games, and Fads will always be around, and great music will always remain in the shadows. That said, there are people who will seek and find independent music, its a small percentage but they are out there.

11/6/2008 11:21:29 AM

Early on in the Online Music scene some of us got it in our heads that we would undermine the major labels perceived value doctrine by creating great music and giving it away for free..
The idea was that since the labels were making the VAST majority of the money and were driving the price of product up without using that capital to promote and PAY musicians, and were in fact slashing bands from the labels and running recodings out of print and distribution the best idea was maybe to destroy the industry by devaluing the product.

The advent of the CD was product hoax, the cost of production went down but the cost of the product went up
at the same time the labels and the One Stops (distribution houses) were working for a mass marketing Hot 100 format, this meant that music sales would be moved into the Target Wal Mart arena and thousands of products would be discontinued in order to maximize profit and the industry would work to use advertising and marketing (semiotics) to manufacture demand and popularity, actually drive public demand for product that was reliably and easily marketable (boy bands, pop acts, commercial hip hop)

the online music revolution maybe didn't work, OMDs arose and tried to create a new consensus among independent artists that they should create a new Virtual Marketplace (and pay to be part of it) , I guess it was inevitable that the Major Labels would watch carefully and craft a way to get the dominant market share. Apple beat them to it though and as it stands Steve Jobs is God...

An indie can get on I tunes, but they cant get promotion...
and Online promotion by an individual who may not have 5 figures to invest is really not revolutionary at this point..
In short, promoting your music online in order to grab your market share is nonsense, there's nothing new here anymore, if you cant get backing your just blowing smoke..

I'm still for crashing the entire industry by reducing the perceived value of a CD and the percieved value of a copy of a song in any format...
I guess thats a reckless way of thinking but I don't care...I'm old and grumpy.
Once that happens and the CD goes the way of the 8-track, everyone has all the music they want on a hard drive then we can work on sub_scription delivery systems. Licensing. Sync.

But really, Music is not the same, will never be the same as it was in the days of the LP...or the advent of the CD. We have digital storage now, the actual copy of the song will never be primary definition of product again, now it will be performance (actually gigging) and licencing for film and commercials, sync rights for sub_scription delivery.
People still buy music, I-Tunes thrives, people like music and will pay, but the Internet as a market for product is owned now, so I just whittle away at the roots..

11/6/2008 11:27:13 AM

Berlin:....did anyone ever tell you that you have
a strange resemblance to Ben Affleck?...that is,
in a scribbly/pastel sort of way. :)

11/6/2008 11:33:06 AM

Jesse Adams I'm here again to call you out for being nonsensical. Here's some artist posting on the pipeline who hasn't appeared that often and you're calling them a retard and an asshole, I don't really see their question and comments as that insulting, more inquisitive and stating an opinion.

You act like artists should be required to use full names and post their drivers' licence pics. Even bands should not be allowed to use band names by the Jesse Adams doctrine. It's really ignorant of you. Try to think a little bit.

11/6/2008 11:53:34 AM

Hey Jesse, pull in your defense mechanism a bit... Bare midriff got the conversation going, which is a good goal. I don't think it was an attack, and maybe it was out of curiosity.

Your a good Guy bro, but chill a bit :) I admit some of these anons can really piss you off, but most have good intentions. I hope you take this the right way.

Regards,

Jeff

P.S. I called out the Ben Affleck resemblence awhile back on Berlin.... I hate Ben Affleck (No offense Berlin) :)

11/6/2008 11:57:04 AM

First of all, don't write us off as 'anons' We have been open about who we are and we even entered Verity's IAC song competition (one of only about 8)

Second of all, I don't need you to tell meWHY you write music and the joy it gives you, that's surely a given for any artist.....and we are performing artists thank you very much. If you were playing to an empty room at a gig you might ask yourself "What's the point" too. What I'm asking is WHY keep your music on a site where no-one is listening (or even knows about it) - Just to see your name in print or something or to listen to it yourself and feel warm inside.

I may be a retarded asshole but at least I'm selling CDs and have even sold 2 downloads at IAC (back in the day) Now hands up anyone who can say that!

11/6/2008 12:07:44 PM

I sometimes feel like throwing in the towel sometimes, after I drag my ass out to play to an empty room on a Wednesday night. And when I look at the sales of my CDs. (Fairly paltry -- 110 or so since 2004.)

But then, I just start up again.
Why? Because I have to. Plain and simple.

And then I get letters like this, which simply reinforce the fact that there are folks out there:

I was listening to 'cary's here' the other day....and then this morning I got to stand over (my newborn's) crib as he slept for the first time (he's sick so he sleeps more soundly)...and I've just been playing that song in my head all day...

I saw that song with a whole new light
loved it
thanks

And I know that I need to keep going.

11/6/2008 12:25:54 PM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 12:30:36 PM

"I may be a retarded asshole "

You said it brother..... your last post sure backs that up.

It is very presumptuous of you to think no one is listening....I do alright on the net thank you very much.

If you are playing to an empty room, you are blessed to be playing at all.. That is the point.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt in that you started the thread to get a conversation going, what I an getting is you are putting out some very negative assumptions. I gave you my opinion of what the "point' is. You seem to be belitling my opinion..whatever...

, I am glad you sold some downloads, great fo you... it does not mean you are better then those that have not, or have chosen not to sell their songs.
People are getting heard here... You do not speak for me, Iac has worked for me, my songs are getting heard.

Good Luck to you...

11/6/2008 12:32:23 PM

"What's the point of having people say nice things about you and you music when you'll never know if they really mean it?"

Midriff ... I've always enjoyed your music ... and have said so before ... I guess if you can't take my word for it, then what is the point of me saying so ? ... I'll tell ya the point, the point is I heard it ... I liked it ... I assumed you would like to know that ... That would be reason enough for me to want to upload another song ...

Is your view point, that someone has to buy your music to like it ? ... I would buy it if I were in a position to do so ... I'd buy A LOT of music here if I had the means ... but I don't ... I truly appreciate those that do upload the music ...

I know it may not be a large consolation to you, but I mean it ....

11/6/2008 12:40:36 PM ---- Updated 11/6/2008 12:41:30 PM

Yeah, I know Sam and thanks of course but the point is that We've been away for a while and coming back I realise no-one really knows us or our music, so for the little flutter of activity the music got (and we're on maybe 20 other sites too), I just wonder if it was necessary to remain all over the web lost in the various archives of oblivion :)

11/6/2008 12:48:23 PM

HA HA!!

I wonder why I write long, reasoned replies to threads like this...

Other than my Vanity, and my obvious insanity..

11/6/2008 12:51:25 PM

Midriff,

I sense you are frustrated with a lack of listens. By your own admission, you have been away. No one, I don't care how good you are, will cut through the white noise if you don't put yourself out there and are visable in some way. There are just too many songs on the net, and attention spans are short.

Its unfortunate, but thats the way it is. It is no indication how good your songs are, there are some world class artists and songs not being heard because no one can find them.... Marketing is needed. In the form of listening to others, posting on blogs,or putting out new songs to keep them coming back for more.

Peace, I hope you stick around and put out some more tunage...

11/6/2008 12:54:13 PM

lively debate (as usual) heh

Every Artist here has a different reason for exposing their music and themselves imo.

This is one site where interaction is always formost and that is why we are here!!

We have several other sites, plus teach music, do adds for radio TV and also dvds ---it's what we do--- mixed in with a couple of other income streams ----farming, and tourism----!

Also we have "sold" over 50 mp3s here, which is a pittance but we still are greatful to those friends who got out their cards---we sell more on another site!!plus CDs

What ewe put up here WILL sink without trace if no promotion follows ----that is a given in any business.

Lastly -----b4 the crash we were getting 10,000 plays a month on our top tune "GONDWANA" and sold it to an add company in Europe---that was a one off but it CAN happen

good post

11/6/2008 1:19:58 PM

"I just wonder if it was necessary to remain all over the web lost in the various archives of oblivion :)"

AHhhhhh now that is the question ! ... I wish I had the answer ... I think that has to be different for everyone ... I used to have my stuff up on several sites ... and some may still be out there but I haven't looked in ages ...

I decided, that for me at least, that I would concentrate my efforts from one "home" base ... Little did I know how much "home" this place would become ... but I love it here and would have it no other way ... If one can grow a fan base and a base of friends, then one has something to build on ...

Hell even the Beatles plugged away at the Star on a consistent basis before "trying out" the world ...

One just has to find their own comfort zone IMO and then work out from there ...
Mass marketing can work but it is tough these days ... especially with limited resources and time ...

For many, it seems to work for them to "get out" into the world ... I'm just a believer in "if you build it they will come" ... but each must choose their own path ... whatever you do, don't stop the music .... and welcome back ...

11/6/2008 2:22:44 PM

-Sigh-

You guys are right. The posts on the pipeline turn me into an asshole half the time. I gotta get out of here for a while.

Banana you'll be bored without my name to follow around and scold about everything I post. You should thank me for all the material.

Midriff you're right, all that matters is money. Money money money. If you're not selling any of your music you're a failure, because money is the only thing that matters in the world. To hell with making art, to hell with expressing yourself, to hell with giving something back to the world for people to share. Money is the only thing that matters anymore, it's the only way to measure your worth. That type of thinking is why most new mainstream music SUCKS, and is formulated to all get out with no substance or meaning. Blah.

Blah. Blah!

I've sold quite a few singles thru Snocap on my MySpace page BTW.

11/6/2008 5:37:50 PM

Midriif: Sorry if I offended you in someway. My last remark was in total jest. I should have added "LOL" "hahahaha" etc.............My humour gets misunderstood sometimes. Of course I don't lie or want others to lie to me. :-)

If I make money, great. I have made money. My band performs nearly every weekend and we sell lots of CD's at the gigs. I've sold downloads here too. For me, I don't expect to make money on music. IAC is a place for me to put my creations and to meet like minded people/friends. If people don't like my music or play it, I really don't care. That's their choice. That is where I am at in my life.

Music is not about money for me. It's my therapy. If someone is trying to make money on music, good for them. But good luck, it's a tough business. I totally respect artists that have sacrificed everything for their music, trying to make a living at what they love. I can understand the frustration and disappointment.

11/8/2008 11:33:35 AM

....

It's all very simple really -

Chase The Vision and The Dollar Will Follow.

And if the dollar doesn't follow, then so what! Still chase your vision.

....

11/10/2008 12:30:36 PM ---- Updated 11/10/2008 10:22:06 PM

don't just sit there.... play!


peas & carrots!
Auset

11/10/2008 10:00:48 PM

the point, as I tried to explain in that long post, is to DESTROY the music industry!!!

to de-value the product, to drive the rat bastards out into the streets and force them to auction off their 13 houses and private islands..

and then we can put it back together again!!

CAN I GET A WITNESS????

HA HA!!

heh..

I need some sleep...
But seriously, don't stop trading music and copying music.
Drive the product into irrelevance, make the CD worthless, nothing more than a few cent worth of Data Storage. force the major label acts to defect from the labels thats Good!
The ones who stay behind can hang out with Metallica, sit around cleaning their guns and make crappy records and talk about what a bunch of bastards the Fans WHO MADE THEM GOZILLIONAIRS are.

Tear the damn thing down..

Fuck em,
(this might be the Vicodin talking..)

11/10/2008 10:17:43 PM

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWK !!!

11/13/2008 6:35:44 AM

Midriff: of uploading songs on music sites unless you promote them constantly, after the first rush they are just lost in the bowels of the internet? And then, what's the point of achieving lots of plays and station uploads aside from boosting your own ego?
What's the point of having people say nice things about you and you music when you'll never know if they really mean it?
The value to an artist is the money he can get for his music.
Everything else is vanity, insanity, bluff or bullshit!"


UW: A famous, or some would call him infamous, eitherway he makes hundreds of millions of dollars... Don't let fame or massive amounts of money be your motivations. Famous people who have been around for years usually give this advice. Let your motivation be because it's your passion, it's what you love doing, it's what motivest you to get out of bed ever day! Try to focus and be the best you can and when you're really good people will notice. Fame is a farce, it comes and goes, money is the same but your passions usually remain the same.

11/13/2008 6:35:47 AM ---- Updated 11/13/2008 6:53:15 AM

Midriff: of uploading songs on music sites unless you promote them constantly, after the first rush they are just lost in the bowels of the internet? And then, what's the point of achieving lots of plays and station uploads aside from boosting your own ego?
What's the point of having people say nice things about you and you music when you'll never know if they really mean it?
The value to an artist is the money he can get for his music.
Everything else is vanity, insanity, bluff or bullshit!"

UW: A famous or some would call him infamous, either way he makes hundreds of millions of dollars... Don't let fame or massive amounts of money be your motivations. Famous people who have been around for years usually give this advice. Let your motivation be because it's your passion, it's what you love doing, it's what motivates you to get out of bed ever day! Try to focus and be the best you can and when you're really good people will notice. Fame is a farce, it comes and goes, money is the same but your passions usually remain the same.
Some months my songs get thousands of plays and some months hundreds. Some other web sites I don't get but may a couple plays a month. Personally, I'm just happy that people are listening my music and seem to enjoy it. My music made into Future Music Magazine Spain once.... just because they stopped by my site and listened. “Waldorf” the synthesizer company still uses my song "Q-Werkx" as a demo song for their 'Q' synthesizer.

http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/products/q_keyboard

Look to the left side. It's an older recording though.
That's the highlights of my hobby so far.... but I'm not done..... I keep going because I love it. Now these are minor things and I'm sure people on here have done *much* better things then these but, it's my passion and I keep going because I love it. You never know what will happen, make sense?

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