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Stegor
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1/24/2008 7:18:42 PM
Is DIY music moving more mainstream?
Back in the '80's and the start of the '90's, when the DIY Indie music culture was in it's infancy, weird was the norm. Standard pop songs were almost unheard of. I try not to live in the past, but sometimes I miss those days.
Before the internet, DIY music was propagated through underground zines, These were handmade, photocopied labors of love with names like Gajoob, Electronic Cottage and Loafing the Donkey. Cassette was the medium. Cassette Culture was the movement. Forget about shrink wrapped CD's - stick a C90 in a ziplock baggie with a photocopied collage of magazine clippings, give it a name and mail it to a bunch of people you read about in Loafing The Donkey. Then wait a few monts for them to return the favor. Some of it was great and some was not so, but almost all of it was just plain DIFFERENT. None of it sounded like what was on the radio.
When the internet came along, we thought it was going to be a revolution for us "Tapeworms". It started slowly, with IUMA (Internet Underground Music Archive). When Gajoob (our favorite 'zine) went online we thought it was the Big Time!
But it wasn't. A few other sites popped up, like soundclick.com and mp3.com. Some of our favorite artists popped up there along with us, but it just wasn't the same. We used to be in the forefront, now we were shuffled to the bottom of thousands of garage bands trying to get signed. The art was gone. It was no longer a movement, it was a marketing tool.
It seems to me, as underground music moves above ground, the more it gets exposed to sunlight and oxygen, the more it sounds like the mainstream. I have to direct that comment at myself and the rest of Bat Lenny too to some extent. I have deleted some of our weirdest tracks because they weren't getting played much. Am I conforming? I might get flack for this, but IAC itself smacks of corporatism - "Independent Artists Company"? Compare that to "Loafing the Donkey". Ok, a name like that in the internet age might be asking for trouble, but you get my drift.
Don't get me wrong, there is a ton of great music here on IAC. But something's missing. Maybe I'm just jaded, but where's the really, really seriously weird?
I think we could all benefit from a glance to the past. The wierdest thing Bat Lenny ever used as an instrument was a Pachinko - a Chinese vertical pinball-like game. It made the strangest sounds as the steel ball bounced off all the springs and came to rest in the tub at the bottom. "Kitchenalia" has been mentioned recently. Use pots and pans! Hit them with a rubber mallet! That lamp shade makes a cool sound! Bounce that ping pong ball! Blow bubbles in a watering can and slow the tape to half speed! Inhale some helium!
Let's get weird!
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1/24/2008 8:31:52 PM
It sounds to me like your tastes for the weird might be a bit of 'weird for the sake of being weird' if it's causing you to kinda put down music that's not weird (that's a pretty wide blanket), or put down IAC cause it's not weird enough for your standards.
So is what you're postulating here that in order to be considered underground music, it has to be weird? I disagree. Underground music is music that's not being heard. There's some good weird music and there's some horrible weird music. I also believe you haven't listened to a very large sampling of songs on the site because I've heard a ton of weird ones. Many of them were not so good, but acts like the Fibonaccis, Two Screaming Asian Boys, Sir Weeze, Dana Lyons, Tourn Tapestria and our own Data Thieves who has a number of bizarre tracks are excellent. The Bastard Fairies had a pretty weird song in the Top 5 on the KIAC Big 50 also. Ever hear the Hypnogoddess? There are several hypnotists on the site, they are quite weird. There's a member of this community named Lyin Dan who is as weird as it gets, believe me, if he was any weirder, I'd track him down and shoot him. haha I've seen many weird stations with weird themes. Dorothy Kiltoto is pretty weird. So is that Jack Hammer guy. There's a number of pretty weird blogs here too.
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Gremislav Iakovich
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1/24/2008 11:25:26 PM
True, there is a ton of lame shit spread all over the interwebs, including right here at IAC. Thankfully, you have both Gremislav Iako)))vich and Execution Van to enjoy at your leisure.
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RedRobin
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1/24/2008 11:40:50 PM
It's the way that music always evolves: Yesterday's Weird is tomorrow's Normal. What is born in the street as protest can become mainstream.
I'm glad to see all kinds of music being listened to. Too many people have no music in their lives.
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Pulse Eternal
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1/25/2008 3:23:50 AM
I must say I was part of that 'cassette culture' years ago. I started off with a reel to reel with a sound on sound feature and used to do all sorts of 'weird' stuff with it and a Juno 6 synthesizer.
Then came a four track cassette machine (a really cool Studiomaster one) and I thought it was Christmas every time I used it. I had fun bouncing tracks and playing about with tape delays from the reel to reel.
Later on, I used the reel to reel to record demo's for bands I was part of. We'd set up in the lead singer's lounge room and record straight to stereo through the band's PA. I'd then make cassette copies to send out with the photocopied newspaper and magazine articles to venues to get gigs.
Then the guitarist and I left that band and formed a new duo writing electronic music along the lines of Tangerine Dream. We did weird stuff and more mainstream stuff. We even did one track called Noah's Ark in which we layered a heap of recordings of different animal noises together. It started with one single cat meowing and climaxed with a wash of everything from elephants, sheep, pigs, dogs, lions and tigers, geese... you name it! Weird shit indeed!
We even did a gig in six channel surround using a PA system I designed and built. We had surround foldback too so we could hear what the audience heard. That gig had a laser light show and a big dual pojection screen behind us. Fortunately, we had a full house to perform to as well and we recorded it on cassette!. Maybe I'll add a track or two from that to my IAC page.
Do I look back on those days with fondness? Hell yeah!
Do I miss those days? No! Why not?
Because I now have MUCH better tools to use to express my creativity. Most of us now are capable of producing much better quality recordings than we could with our four track cassette machines and that doesn't have to mean the end of weirdness or spontaneity! Actually, I find it opens up a whole new world of possibility.
The internet and places like IAC have given us a vehicle to get our music out to a much wider audience than was possible with a cassette demo and a monthly photocopied magazine (I still have some of those old mags by the way!!).
Musical creativity and the magic of releasing stuff you love rather than stuff for a market is a CHOICE. Nobody is holding a gun to us saying, "You must conform". We can choose to get eccentric with our instruments and produce 'weird stuff'. We can do whatever the hell we want and we can now share it with a MUCH wider audience.
At the end of the day, I believe the most important factor is to love what you do. If you love it, chances are somebody else will too. If you do something to please a market at the expense of your own love for what you do, it will sound sterile and lifeless.
We are the creators and we have the choice to do what we want with it!
SuperPuss
 
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srm
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1/25/2008 3:45:08 AM
Ah, SP... it sounds like we've had similar experiences. I remember doing odd 4-track 'pieces' with lots of dog barks and even one side of a CB radio conversation that had bled onto a track. Like you, I only miss those days because the limited equipment caused us to stretch our imaginations as to what could be done. Also, I like having the tools that we have now. There is so many possibilities that the only thing I'm missing is the time to explore them all. I do 'normal' tunes, but I also try to maintain a bit of that experimental oddness. That individuality will always keeps indie music from being boring.
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the kozy king
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1/25/2008 4:08:34 AM
good blog topic, allow me to jump in with my usual two cents
I've been trying to record stuff that is totally different from the classic rock I play in the band. In fact none of the band members participate in these projects which are my own brand of conservative weirdness. in each toon I try do do something that I have to learn from scratch. Sounds a bit rough sometimes but it's fun.
i never listen to the IAC charts (big 50, hitline) as I now assume they are aimed at not turning off newbies with things they can't handle.
As i've said before, I'm as bad as anyone else for resisting new music but I have always felt obliged to try. It's good for me. most of the time I'm not impressed but sometimes the mind does get blown.
I'd like to see the Pipeline removed from the front page (replaced with a simple link to a separate page). In its place let's have a hitlist of weerd (at least weerdur) toonz.
Just a suggestion -- please don't come crashing down on me...
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Stegor
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1/25/2008 7:44:06 AM
Yeah, I knew Father Time would throttle me a little with that IAC comment, even though I said "don't get me wrong"... Even I want to make a wave once in a while! I love IAC or I wouldn't be here. I'm just comparing the scene today to the scene 20 years ago. Slick website vs handmade 'zine. I probably sound like someone's grampa saying "Well when I was a kid..."
I have listened to some of the artists you mentioned. I'll have to check out the rest. I've heard some weird stuff that I most certainly don't like. Weird is one of those vague terms that people throw out there when something doesn't behave, look, sound, taste, like something "normal". Doesn't mean it has to be subversive or grating, which I find a lot of today's "weird" to be.
I think yesterday's weird was weird by nature. Artists had to find different ways of creating sounds because standard ways were out of reach. Now that home studios have become so high tech I think a lot of the music has become more sterile.
Maybe I'm just living in the past. I certainly appreciate having the technology we have today and I use every bit I can get my hands on. But every once in a while I think back to those heady days when we was weird.
How many times can you use the word "weird" in a paragraph?
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Verity
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1/25/2008 10:33:23 AM
The thing is that there are a lot more ways to be weird than not weird - in fact you could be so weird that you are the only one who likes your song. The music industry is not set up to cater for such a diversity of weirdity in the market place. Actually I haven't a clue what I'm talking about....weird isn't it?
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Stegor
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1/25/2008 10:44:42 AM
It's all about weirditude. Some of us need a weirditudinal adjustment.
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KENYON
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1/25/2008 10:57:26 AM
Stegor,
Interesting topic. I would like to say though "weird" is not always the innovative instruments that you come up with! For instance, my stuff I believe is pretty much weird. Especially "Don't You Let Them Know".
To me its creating a song with feeling and creativity. Not "EMO" feeling but the same thing that exists quite a bit through out IAC.
The weird that is going on right now on this site may very well and probably will be tomorrow's norm.
It is much more important to me to stay the "creative" coarse then trying to "box" my music.
If I am the only one who enjoys my stuff, then so be it. Besides I always have friends I can bribe to tell me good things. Lol!
Peace,
Kenyon
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satch
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1/25/2008 11:40:05 AM
"True, there is a ton of lame shit spread all over the interwebs, including right here at IAC." I'm glad it wasn't me that said it this time :)
To me, weird or not isn't really relevant - weird can be as beautiful as anything. I guess we all have to do whatever it is that makes us feel fulfilled, proud, happy inside, whatever gets you going (as they say!).
For me, one of the most crucial tests of any song is the test of time... take a song you released a few years ago and give it a listen today. Then evaluate it honestly.... does it still do it? Does it still stand up and make you feel proud, make you feel like "yeah, I did that", would you be happy to have that song still represent you? If the answer is "yes" then you are doing the right things, weird or not!
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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1/25/2008 12:55:03 PM
how true!
our original version of 'Hairdressers" was just a 4 track recorded around 1990!
It has ben our third most popular song here----and is the song for which we are "known" recorded live in a garage----
I do agree that wierd may not be the best word to describe what we are talking about ---how about innovative or "different"?
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TNT
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1/26/2008 9:56:27 AM
why does music have to be innovative.
If it sounds good-it is good.
It's like people saying they don't like pop music because they are metal fans or visa versa. It just doesn't make sence to intentionally narrow your tastes in this way.
Bon Jovi are a very commercial band that most rock fans don't like, but I still think they have great songs out there. Prejudice should never play a part in music. Especially in rock'n'roll, due to the ideals that have been attatched to it for so long now.
Peace.
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the kozy king
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1/26/2008 11:41:32 AM
TNT:"why does music have to be innovative."
You be surprised to hear that Jimi Hendrix agrees. He said he DOES NOT look for originality when he's watching another band -- he said he watches for communication between the members.
Way to go Jimi.
Terry form kozykingz
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Steve Ison
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1/26/2008 2:03:44 PM
"would like to say though "weird" is not always the innovative instruments that you come up with!"
Yeh...Totally agree..Too often people think musics 'weird' when its just using some different instrumentation over a 2 chord loop or something.
To me thats just wearing a different cloak while CONFORMING to the prevailing ultra-conservative,musically-imprisoned trend of fruity loopers the world over..
Its such an incredibly narrow,materialistic take on something which at its best should ignite your imagination or transport you to a different place imo..
'Weird' in most who use it never seems to be about the subtlety/originality of atmosphere or mood created by a track.
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Gremislav Iakovich
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1/26/2008 2:27:05 PM
"You be surprised to hear that Jimi Hendrix agrees."
...and you might be surprised to hear that Jimi Hendrix is dead. Ha.
...but seriously, what do you look/listen for when you're watching another band? That's all that matters. There's a quote which has been attributed to about a million different musicians over the years: "There's only two kinds of music: good music and bad music". If you focus on making "good" music (based entirely on YOUR own definition of what constitutes "good") you will likely meet with some success... artistically speaking, at least. If you happen to be a unique or innovative individual (or group of individuals), those qualities will most likely manifest themselves in your music. Once you start trying to be clever, you're doomed.... and not in a good way like Neurosis.
Anyway, "weird" is totally subjective. If your musical tastes are fairly narrow, there will most certainly be a lot of music out there that you'll consider "weird", but if you have extremely eclectic tastes, chances are you don't even think in those terms.
The thing is, IAC is probably not going to become a haven for truly innovative or challenging music simply because the site's focus is on songs and songwriters. Songs are sung, and are only one part of the musical landscape; albeit the most universally accepted and recognizable form of organizing sounds. There are myriad innovators out there writing music, not songs, who will probably not find much for them at IAC. IAC is a fantastic site for what it is, but if you want to hear really "outside" music, a site focused primarily on songwriters is probably not the best place to look.
Love always,
Gremislav
Music = sound organized in time.
Noise = any unwanted sound.
Noisic = Gremislav Iako)))vich, motherfuckers.
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Steve Ison
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1/26/2008 3:08:32 PM
"If you focus on making "good" music (based entirely on YOUR own definition of what constitutes "good") you will likely meet with some success... artistically speaking, at least. If you happen to be a unique or innovative individual (or group of individuals), those qualities will most likely manifest themselves in your music. Once you start trying to be clever, you're doomed"
Yeh wise words friend..'Specialy trying to be 'clever'..That so ego-based and counter intuitive..
"The thing is, IAC is probably not going to become a haven for truly innovative or challenging music simply because the site's focus is on songs and songwriters"
Who's to say just 'cos someone is singing,that 'a song' can't be challenging or innovative?
Thats a little arrogant imo to presume only those creating music without vocals can have those qualities
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1/26/2008 3:47:51 PM
The listeners here are very diverse, I'm sometimes shocked at the stations they put together. Many I don't understand their tastes, can't relate at all but that's really what music is about, everyone has their own ballyard.
If you make music you feel certain would not appeal to the listeners here, chances are it might have that problem anywhere.
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Chris Hance
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1/26/2008 3:47:55 PM
Well, its a bit weird that me, capitain orthodox is mentioned in this thread of cassettes and fanzines and underground and two chord loops lol, as a weirdo???
ha ha...
Long ago, when I started playing and recording for me, I punted out loads and loads of tapes,
Friends, radio stations, adverts in the back of Sounds and NME all got sent something, but as time progressed I started to connect with the laws of diminishing returns, soon I had recycled all my Spandau Ballet and Blancmange tapes, and was just about to wipe my Captain and Tennile greatest hits for demo tracks to send off to labels, when my mum said "No DT, I want that one you cant wipe Muskrat Love!
Ha Ha,
Anyway, I dont think I'm weird, but maybe thats a good thing, weirdos freak me out, weirdos are people who have everything, but want more, weirdos start wars, the downpresserman is a weirdo!
Fruity Loops (or FLStudio) is a hugely underrated tool for musicians, You can use it to write stuff in any time sig,
Every phrase or single hemidemisemiquaver you can write on a piece of manu_script you can replicate on FLStudio.
The prisoners that Steve mentions are limited and chained by both their imaginations and aspirations I think,
Dance music is an extension of pop music, loads of people really enjoy mindless stuf that you can get off your face to and not need any braincells except axions and neurons and seratonin.
When I started using FLStudio, straight away I had an impact, I got gigs in student clubs, night clubs, raves,
I became overnight top downloaded artist in Scotland (albeit only for a couple of months while Stoogy was dormant lol), and the great thing about it was that I hadnt used one preset ever!
All the stuff I used at gigs was programmed beat by beat, and hemidemisemi one click at a time,
Loops packs? fuck right off thats for amateurs that just wanna jam a piece of software,
Playing programming and cutting your own loops is where its at for me,
I was dissapointed a bit, when surfing round mp3.com in 2001 that all the named respected dance music guys were using loops bought and downloaded,
B-O-R-I-N-G............
But thats what they were doing...and circle jerking about it too.
So the points of view held by the anti-loopers are pretty valid, but so are the pro loopers who are doing thier own thing,
Prolly Trance Control on mp3.com stood out, but a lot of generic stuff dominated that place, not very weird at all,
For my self, I'd love to be able to play guitar properly, but due to my foxed physique it aint ever gonna happen,
I did have a shot of a drum kit for a year, really enjoyed that, but my timing was never straight enough to be useable for anything but notebook composition.
So my FLStudio is my session accompanist, and it does any lick I ask, and never falls behind the beat, even when I ask it to play 7/8 or 9/8, it always obliges :)
So here are two tracks, one of them is a two chord repetitive 3/4 reggae based track, and the other is a 7/8 vers and 4/4 chorus freekoot,
Stress Relieved Replacement
and
CheeseCake4IAC
One is using beats I programmed on a tr505 roland, and the other is all beats programmed into FLStudio.
Anyway, the reason for writing CheeseCake is probably the same parallel as the original post, a kind of protest at the attempt by the media to saturate and brainwash the population with banal and bland mediocrity.
I'm not a weirdo.
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Gremislav Iakovich
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1/26/2008 4:11:56 PM
"Who's to say just 'cos someone is singing,that 'a song' can't be challenging or innovative?"
No one, and certainly not me. My point is that IAC's focus is on songs and songwriters, not innovation in sonic construction. You'll most certainly find vocal music here that is innovative and challenging, but "songs" are not the only framework in which to organize sound, therefore IAC's chances of becoming a "haven for truly innovative or challenging music" are significantly limited.... but I don't think that was IAC's intention, anyway.
Hey, I know! Let's start a website with the goal of becoming a haven for music that eschews traditional song structure, and will be considered difficult to listen to by anyone raised on mainstream music, and then we'll sell ad space! We'll make a killing!
IAC's focus seems to be on "good" songs, innovative or not. If this place were to suddenly become saturated with vocal-free music that didn't use traditional instruments, arrangements, or song structures, their advertising revenues would dry up right quickly.
"Thats a little arrogant imo to presume only those creating music without vocals can have those qualities"
Arrogant? Hardly.... and I might suggest that it was a little insecure to have inferred arrogance from a misinterpretation of my post. You songwriter types are just so sensitive ;)
Love always,
Gremislav
Music = sound organized in time.
Noise = any unwanted sound.
Noisic = Gremislav Iako)))vich, motherfuckers.
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1/26/2008 5:01:30 PM
I think there's a lot of challenging music here, some great and complex lyricists. There's also a lot of sonic experimentation in electronic and industrial genres for instance.
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Gremislav Iakovich
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1/26/2008 6:51:41 PM
Absolutely, Toby; but just like "weird", "a lot" is a very subjective term. There's a whole slew of great music here, including some pretty outside stuff; but the "outside" stuff isn't skyrocketing up the KIAC Hitline.... and no one should expect it to. The most popular music on IAC is generally fairly "typical", for lack of a better term. I don't mean that as an insult, as there are some really nice songs on there (the Sugarplum Fairies and Bob Elliott are particularly enjoyable) but it's all pretty accessible fare; common time signatures, standard instrumentation, hook supplied by the vocal melody, etc. It's a pretty eclectic collection of songs, for sure, but as far as the individual songs go, I don't hear anything that would shock me to hear it being played on a mainstream (not necessarily Top40, but mainstream nonetheless) radio station somewhere/sometime. The Twigs tune would probably have its ending shortened a bit 'cause it's so noisy ;), and Autogun88 would probably have their intro trimmed... and Motorpsychos would surely require a radio edit, but there's nothing there that I can imagine someone saying, "Wow, I can't believe they're playing THIS on the radio!" if such was the case.
IAC is sort of like the "Indie Mainstream" - and again, that's not a slight against IAC. The overwhelming majority of listeners are going to gravitate to that music which is accessible and relatively easy to listen to... the music that fits within the narrow set of parameters that define "music" in the mind of the public/casual music listener. The Indie Revolution is great, don't get me wrong; but the familiar (yes, of course there will be exceptions, just as there always have been in mainstream top 40 radio) will still rise to the top.
Just because a significant number of the artists and listeners here have a dislike of mainstream music, that doesn't mean they'll be any more apt to understand, or even enjoy, the music of Wolf Eyes, Geronimo, The Locust, Man is the Bastard, Antler Tree!, or anything within the realms of freejazz or Brutal Death Metal.
It's all gonna be okay, though; I just know it will.
Love always,
Gremislav
Music = sound organized in time.
Noise = any unwanted sound.
Noisic = Gremislav Iako)))vich, motherfuckers.
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1/26/2008 7:04:11 PM
well people say this occasionally but there's just no comparison. The songs on the KIAC Big 50 and Underground 40 are far more well written, unique than the kind of format based music that is played on Clear Channel. I really believe anybody who compares IAC hits to the mainstream needs to go listen to mainstream radio for a few days and when they do, I suspect they'll feel stupid for even inferring there's a similarity. That's not to say there aren't a few radio stations out there playing good music but those are going against the style-based grain in the same way IAC is, they aren't mainstream by any means.
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Gremislav Iakovich
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1/26/2008 9:29:55 PM
Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying: There are indeed comparisons to be made between what becomes popular on IAC and what becomes popular in the mainstream (again, not necessarily Top40) radio but, like I previously stated, there are obvious similarities in format such as time signatures, vocal hooks, instrumentation, song length, etc. Even genre is a factor: there aren't any polka tunes climbing the IAC charts, right? Well, there aren't any mainstream polka stations that I know of, either, so why would we expect polka to become popular at a site that doesn't specifically target fans of polka?
For the record: I've made no attempt to compare IAC and mainstream (maybe "corporate" is a better term) radio based on any type of quality standard... which would be totally subjective, anyway, unless we were to examine each song based on a strict set of technical requirements based on the consensus of the world's leading audio engineers.... or maybe just Steve Albini... ha.
Besides, it would be ludicrous to think of IAC artists as a brand of music whose merits as a whole can be evaluated (our hits are better than their hits) unless you start personally choosing who gets to host their music here.... and I sure as Hell wasn't invited to the party ;)
Simply, the more "extreme" forms of music (freejazz, grindcore, death metal, doom/drone, etc) aren't represented in what's popular on IAC any more than those forms are represented in the mainstream. That's not the fault of IAC. It's exactly what you'd expect when dealing with music that's designed to challenge the listener, or is simply aimed at a very specific audience.
Stegor initially wondered if the fact that a lot of fairly accessible (note: I said "accessible", not "bland" or "generic") pop and rock stuff becomes popular here at IAC is indicative of indie music becoming more mainstream. I say no; there is simply a bigger potential audience for rock/pop/trad jazz/blues (all of which I would call "familiar forms") than there will ever be for artists who don't just push artistic boundaries, but seek to destroy them.
For instance, I'm currently listening to (and enjoying, immensely) a piece by James Plotkin which features 30 minutes of guitar drone produced using Tibetan prayer cups and three e-Bows. Absolute fucking genius, and a gorgeous piece of work. It wouldn't likely find its way anywhere near the IAC Hitline, and I'd be a fool to think it would. It sure as shit is never going to get played on mainstream radio, either.
Does that mean James Plotkin sucks?
No.
Does that mean IAC sucks?
No, of course not; it's a totally irrelevant question. Plotkin's music is simply a challenge for most people to listen to, so why would we expect it to find mass appeal on IAC or anywhere else?
Even most classic jazz isn't "mainstream" by any stretch of the imagination. If we were to take Coltrane's "A Love Supreme", change the artist name and title of the piece to avoid any novelty plays, and host it here at IAC, does anyone think it would fare well on the Hitline? No fucking way. That sumbitch is long!
There is an ass-load of music here that I really love; some fairly easy to listen to music, as well as some pretty fringe stuff.... but the quality of artists/songs on the Hitline as compared to the quality of artists/songs on mainstream was never my point, nor was it the point of this thread... as far as I can tell, anyway.
Most people want to listen to SONGS. Artists who don't write SONGS probably won't find appeal with the listeners who are responsible for the majority of plays and stations at IAC.
Pretty simple, I reckon.
Love always,
Gremislav
Music = sound organized in time.
Noise = any unwanted sound.
Noisic = Gremislav Iako)))vich, motherfuckers.
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satch
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1/27/2008 2:14:25 AM
You're right, Gremislav.
Irreverent and irrelevant - but right :)
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Steve Ison
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1/27/2008 3:25:34 PM
Yeh Gremislav...Even tho i'm just a sensitive-singer-songwriter type ;) its a real joy to read your posts,intelligence and individual angle on things(same with DTChris too)
Like Satch,i basically agree with what you're saying :)
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Gremislav Iakovich
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1/28/2008 12:05:10 AM
Irreverent and Irrelevant - satch, you may have just helped me to decide on a title for my next record.
Steve, thank you for noticing the implied humour in my sensitive singer/songwriter types comment. I sometimes worry about attempts at sarcasm or dry humor in communications with strangers on the interwebs... it can be risky business, no?
Love always,
Gremislav
Music = sound organized in time.
Noise = any unwanted sound.
Noisic = Gremislav Iako)))vich, motherfuckers.
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