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Jack Heinicke
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3/17/2008 8:24:45 PM
Most Overrated Albums
I know this may be sacrilegious to many but my pick is....
Sgt. Peppers by you know who.
Except for the two songs that bookend the whole thing the rest to me is boring and trite, precocious nonsense. It sure as heck aint rock and roll. I fully understand that at the time it came out there was nothing else like it and it was highly influential and captured the "acid like" moment of 67 and BLAH FREAKIN BLAH BLAH BLAH!
As much as I truely enjoy and appreciate most of the work of the Beatles work, I just never got the whole hoopla surroundng the holy grail like devotion to this album.
It's like an old friend of mine said one night while he was very drunk but lucid enough to state that, "it's because of the Beatles that we ended up with crap like Journey". Which I thought was a very insightful insight.
And another thing, why the heck is John Lennon held up as some messiah like pariah when some of the stuff he did was brilliant but a lot of it was over-sentimentalized hippie dippie "let's smoke lots of dope and bring peace to the world while I live in the lap of luxury" crap?
How about most overrated song?
You guessed it, "IMAGINE".
If I could ever hate a song thats the one.
Well I've been on a roll and having lots of fun.
Who's next?
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3/17/2008 9:38:59 PM
I remember when Imagine came out. I loved it. It has been overplayed and I hate all the versions by other people. But overrated, hardly. In its original context it was a great radio song, fresh and pure.
Sgt Pepper is one that definitely comes to mind when I hear the phrase overrated record but I like it better than you do. I think the main reason it's overrated is because it's usually the first album of theirs mentioned yet Revolver and Rubber Soul are so much better. Pepper has 4 or 5 good songs on it. When I'm 64 is the most overrated Beatles tune I think, though. Yesterday's on that same list though. heh However you still must bow down to the Beatles or you are a lameass. haha
Most overrated record of all time ? That's tough because ya tend not to think of individual records but of the whole band.
Here's some 'acts' I think are way waay overrated. I don't like one record by any of them.
Dave Matthews
Van Halen
Genesis
Journey
Kid Rock
The first 2 there are clearly the most overrated acts of all time. :)
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Jack Heinicke
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3/17/2008 9:59:40 PM
How dare you call me a lameass!
That's a distinction held and only allowed to be said to me by my wife!
But I digress, agree and disagree.
Yes I wildly agree that Rubber Soul and Revolver are much better. To me the quality alone of the recording of the vocals on Revolver beat any other recording I've ever heard of vocals anywhere, anytime.
I disagree on the Genesis overrating because I love the Gabriel era stuff and even the first one without him "Trick Of The Tail" was and is a beloved surprise for me. But I do digress because I am a rabid fan of prog which I admit is often overblown and pretentious and silly at times. So my taste and reasoning for said taste in music is often inconsistent. Which is really funny because what I like about prog is what I dislike about Peppers. Which in many ways is a Prog album.
Yes I am a mess.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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3/17/2008 10:23:52 PM
Jack,
You touched upon it...the reverence comes when you hold it up against it's contemporaries. The experimentation, the arrangements that pushed the limits of recording technology. As for the songs...Getting Better,Lovely Rita, Lucy in the Sky....All great tunes in my book...With a little help from my friends, A Day in the Life...hell even Good morning with the wailing guitar solo...Its a great Album in my opinion, I would not diss it because it is overrated by some...That's not the Beatles problem. Strawberry fields and Penny lane were recorded around the same time, but they were left off as singles. I prefer Rubber Soul and Revolver as well....but I appreciate their whole career.
The Beatles are why I write and record, so I am biased...but I understand some don't have a taste for them, and I respect that!
Like you, Another favorite band of Mine is Genesis, mostly the Gabriel Hackett era, but I do enjoy some of the Chester Thompson Live era songs..
Music like art is subjective, its not important who you like...whats important is that you love music and appreciate the creative aspect that goes into it.
Hey Jack, you have been a busy man today! :)
Jeff
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Steve Ison
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3/21/2008 2:38:11 PM
Well i'll go for Dylans ridiculously over-fawned album 'Blood On The Tracks'..
Its not that its that bad-but musically its not a patch on Desire that followed it-and which is almost forgotten in comparison...
There's no songs on blood as interesting,creative n imaginative as Hurricane,One More Cup Of Coffee and Mozambique..and the SOUND created on that is maybe the best acoustic rock ever..
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Steve Ison
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3/21/2008 2:50:09 PM
Sgt Peppers great!..Full of wonderful,magical songs..
All the post Rubber Soul albums are classics imo-with the exception probarbly of Let It Be
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Carl Schonbeck
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3/21/2008 3:01:59 PM
I couldn't resist after seeing this thread :-) Can I chime in with two double records? Steve, you mentioned Dylan....maybe just me but I've never thought "Blonde on Blonde" was anywhere near Dylan's best. Zimmy was fried when he did it, the recording quality is bad (they didn't know how to record rock'n'roll in Nashville) and a lot of the toons are throwaways. "I Want You" is brilliant but there's a lot of filler there imho. I like Dylan records that make you feel like you've smoked dope rather than requiring dope to enjoy! The real culprit is "Tommy" though.....put up against "Sell Out" and "Who's Next" I think it's definitely overrated. Thin production, goofy story and John's songwriting pushed aside. Pepper got mentioned too....you know that George Martin said pulling "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" from it was his biggest mistake ever. Says something about his own opinion maybe!
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Carl Schonbeck
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3/21/2008 3:19:43 PM
Sorry to be a motormouth here but just a couple of Beatle quickies, okay? How can anyone blame anyone blame the Fabs for Journey? They started as a west coast fusion band, got a Rod Stewart wanna-be singer and went pop....one might as well blame Edison for inventing recording! (lol) I know people who visited the Dakota and it actually was pretty small and spartan...hardly a lap of luxury. Lennon meant well, was a carney and got easily influenced but for better or worse he actually denounced the whole hippie thing pretty strongly after '68 (check out Plastic Ono Band). "Imagine" is more Thomas Paine than Scott McKenzie! Last thing (and then I'll shut up, promise) was that supposedly Rubber Soul was seen as a real let down but the people at EMI...the feeling was the Beatles were losing it (!) (one reason why engineer Norman Smith quit). The Pepper album might not be "rock" but the Pepper reprise sure is! They were always jamming on the old rock standards but wanted to do something of their own.
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LyinDan
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3/21/2008 3:24:15 PM
At the time, EMI didn't release album cuts as singles. Singles had to be released as a separate thing altogether, couldn't be taken from an album. Thus, they had to go, albumwise.
***Don't like the Beatles? Sacre Blew!***
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3/21/2008 6:10:06 PM
I didn't get the Beatles/Journey comment, what was that about?
I disagree totally about Tommy, especially the remastered version where you can hear Moon in all his glory. I also liked Blood on the Tracks a lot. Idiot Wind for one was waaay better than any song on Desire.
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Susan Raven
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3/22/2008 9:18:06 AM
Over-rated albums? Everything by Madonna!
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Carl Schonbeck
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3/22/2008 10:58:17 AM
Produced by none other than the great and recently departed Norman Smith (aka Hurricane Smith). Creator of the early Beatles sound, tutor to Revolver/Pepper engineer Geoff Emerick, discoverer of Pink Floyd and a man who showed us aging hipsters it's never to late by having a hit single in his '50s ("Oh Babe, What Would Say in '73) Nothing overrated with Norman.
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srm
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3/22/2008 11:36:17 AM
How about the "Hooked on Classics" album?
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