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Hop On Pop
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4/15/2009 2:18:08 PM
Placing your music into TV/Films/Commercials?
Anyone here do it?
How did you get in?
Do you have an agency, or did you hit the pavement yourself? If you did use an agency, who did you use?
I would love to get some of my tunes used in this way; make a little cash.
Why not?
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Richard Scotti
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4/15/2009 2:58:47 PM
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Todd - check out the April edition of "Recording: The Magazine For The Recording Musician". There's an article on age 34 by Michael Nickolas called "Music Libraries".
It's very informative and detailed about how to make money using music libraries.
Media companies are increasingly turning to music libraries for original music because it's cheaper than hiring a high priced composer to custom-write for them.
TAXI, while not known for getting anybody a record deal, IS good for getting music placed in TV and movies. It's pricey at $300 a year but that's what it costs. You also have to pay $5.00 for every song you submit but if you get any of your songs placed on TV shows or in movies, it could be very lucrative.
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Hop On Pop
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4/15/2009 3:07:46 PM
This is the one that I found online. Is that what you are talking about?
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Richard Scotti
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4/15/2009 3:14:08 PM
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On that page -click on "THE MAGAZINE" (current and past issues). A window will drop down that says "current issue." Click on that. Look under "Features" for "Music Libraries" by Michael Nickolas. Of course the article isn't available online. If it was, nobody would buy the magazine! You'll have go out and spring for the $5.99 like I did! (There's another great article about indie writers getting their stuff heard called "Beyond The CD" by Mike Metlay)
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Jesse Adams
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4/15/2009 3:48:27 PM
www.pumpaudio.com
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Hop On Pop
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4/15/2009 3:59:24 PM
Jesse -
Have you used Pump? How has it been working for you?
Thoughts?
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Richard Scotti
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4/15/2009 6:35:40 PM
I've heard good things about Pump Audio but the contract is long and complex. Proceed with caution!
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Jesse Adams
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4/15/2009 6:40:52 PM
Well first of all you have to submit two songs to get "Green Lit', which means you've got the go ahead to send them a CD of your stuff. They are picky about what they take.
Once you're Green Lit, you send them a CD of your stuff and if they accept it they put your work in their library. You keep all your song rights so you can still use them for whatever you want. Pump Audio has many clients that then search their music library looking for appropriate material for whatever their application may be, then Pump Audio shared the revenue they get from the client with you for using your music.
They have lots of big clients like MTV, VH1, Kellog's, all kinds... so your music could be used for anything from a show open to commercials.
I've been Green Lit but haven't sent them a CD yet because I just haven't gotten around to it... but I think it's a good way to get your music out there and make a little money doing it all while keeping your rights. It's probably one of the better ways for guys like us to make some actual money with our music IMO.
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Richard Scotti
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4/15/2009 7:20:37 PM
A typical library deal is 50/50: you collect 100% of the writer's royalties, they collect 100% of the publishing royalty and any licensee fee is split 50/50. You always keep your copyright and are free to use your music in any way you see fit including submitting it to mulitple libraries.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/15/2009 8:02:50 PM
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TAXI.COM
This is one company that indies have been using for years and it is a good outfit , more of a broker/middle man outfit so to speak, but worth looking into...there is a fee charged but they provide leads and the possibilities of getting your music there is decent
TAXI.COM
There are a few more which I will post up later on
bryon
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Jeff Allen Myers
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4/15/2009 8:11:14 PM
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On another Site I am on, there was a conversation concerning pumpaudio, and they had positive things to say about them. I should give it a try, I have not been "Lit" in years :)
I have been thinking about Taxi for a long time, but I do not have any personal knowledge of anyone succeeding and justifying the $300.00 . I get a newsletter every week.
I also get messages from Broadjam asking for songs for specific requests... A daytime soap opera looking for Love songs for example...
I have been meaning to do something, at least this way I can feel like I am at least trying a little bit :)
I also need to join either Ascap or BMI....
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Sly Witt
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4/15/2009 8:42:21 PM
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You can join the Taxi forums for free before you decide if it's right for you. There was a bit of a brouhaha last month when several members were dropped for 'asking questions'.
In Taxi's defense, they replaced the moderator who was acting a bit paranoid. It seems that opinions run 50/50 whether it's the greatest thing since sliced bread or a rip-off.
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Hop On Pop
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4/16/2009 7:01:59 PM
I was just "Green Lit" by Pump Audio!
That was fast...
I just submitted yesterday!
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/16/2009 7:06:18 PM
nice stuff Todd....congrats on that.
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Richard Scotti
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4/16/2009 7:26:39 PM
Cool! Let us know what happens down the road.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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4/16/2009 7:58:03 PM
Very cool Todd, Did you just send an MP3 file?? Did they send back info on what the next step is? I may try it later today..
Congrats on getting "Lit" :) Good luck with getting a song placed! Keep us updated.
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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4/16/2009 11:35:14 PM
sounds like you have taken a first step already!
we are always reluctant to pay-- for our songs to be listened to----
We do Ad. work here in New Zealand---we have sold 5 tracks in two years for a few hundred $$$ each and retained the rights---
we know some producers which helps
there's nothing like "face to face" in the advertising world IMO!
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John Pippus
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4/17/2009 1:05:52 AM
thanks for the pumpaudio address... i'm off to see if i can get green lit.
another thing is to search song supervisors. they're the ones who place songs with tv shows and movies and they're always looking for 'one stop' songs. That is, the ownership of the song is simple (ie indies like us).
i've sent songs to a few song supervisors, no sales yet, but they say to keep sending them tunes.
john
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Hop On Pop
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4/17/2009 1:13:59 AM
Rob,
Pump Audio charges no fees. They do take 50% of the licensing $, but that gives them incentive to get you placed, methinks.
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LyinDan
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4/17/2009 2:52:18 AM
"they collect 100% of the publishing royalty"
Uh, no thanks. Duh.
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John Pippus
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4/17/2009 4:15:07 AM
they get 100% of the publishing. but you get the writer's cut and 50 per cent of the licensing. it's just one more avenue for getting your tunes out there (and generating revenue). i've always said __% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
down the road, you can bargain for more. i'm still trying to get my foot in the door, so i'm fine with the potential deal they can provide that i couldn't get on my own.
no?
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LyinDan
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4/17/2009 4:27:40 AM
Well, this is just sooo old-school music biz. It's traditional that someone has to screw you out of something just to get your foot in the door. Discouraging to see. Maybe necessary, I dunno. At least they're not asking for shared writer's credit, too.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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4/17/2009 4:28:50 AM
Dan..... what is 100% of zero?
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LyinDan
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4/17/2009 4:37:00 AM
It's a loooottttt of zeroes.
But if you've given away 100% of publishing, you've potentially given away a loooooottttt of real money. Couldn't they be content with 1/2 of publishing? How much work do they really do to pitch these tunes? If it were me, I'd do practically no work on the vast majority of tunes, and concentrate on a few I believed in. Meanwhile, if by some chance one of the tunes I did nothing with happened to get a deal, I've got 100% of publishing rights to it. Lucky me. Cashing in on 50% of publishing of the tunes I actually work on - I think I could make an honest buck on that.
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John Pippus
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4/17/2009 7:56:15 PM
It's non-exclusive so we're talking a Col. Parker and Elvis situation here. You can have Pump Audio try to get your songs licensed, and you can pursue other deals where you can keep all or most of the publishing.
Anyway, I got the 'green light' this morning (after posting two songs to them yesterday). Here's part of their form letter response:
>Please be aware this is only the first step in the submission process, after receiving your complete submission we can not guarantee that your music will be suitable for our catalog. Being green-lit means that we think your music shows great promise!
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Otis and the Professors
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4/17/2009 9:56:37 PM
Here is a question that is perhaps pertinent, with sited like these do you have any control over what type of media your music will be played with?
I mean I would be elated if someone wanted to play one of our songs in, say, a national commercial. But if they told me it was for Wal-Mart, or something like that, I wouldn't be so hot on the idea. Anyone know how that part of the process generally works?
Peace,
Drewsus
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2009 10:59:47 PM
I hear what you are saying Drewsus of OaTP. there is a backlash going on out there with Walmart, even here in Vancouver and back east in ontario there were protests against the monster setting up shop and squeezing out the ma and pop stores and independants and initially Vancouver council turned them away, but they came in through the backdoor when another outfit went bankrupt and took over the store
so they seem to find ways to work around the system.
back to music, who would you want to use your music?
as for how the systems works , maybe check out their site. or inquire directly I am sure they will provide some kind of response to your query
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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4/18/2009 1:19:46 AM
Todd
I hear you----i like the way this is developing with a few indies-- John and Jeff and ewe here--- giving it a go and then sharing the info----so i'm bumping
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suspension of sanity
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4/18/2009 5:47:56 AM
Go to PUMP AUDIO. They're a little strict but free.
Hey I like free. Good luck!
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John Pippus
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4/18/2009 7:00:48 AM
Good question, Drewsus. The answer is no, you don't get to choose who gets to use your music. You can choose not to submit certain songs of course, but other than that, they control who gets to use the material.
There is a FAQ at pumpaudio.com right on the home page that answers most questions you might have.
BTW, I mistyped in my previous post. I meant to say since it's a non-exclusive deal it's NOT a Col. Parker and Elvis situation.
Once you get the green light, you have a lot of information to fill in on each song. Who is playing on it, what moods and themes each song evokes, etc.
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Lars Mars
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4/18/2009 12:56:46 PM
Interestingly, a while back there was this great song on some commercial that I couldn't recognize. So when I was running down the What's new & hot column and ran across this:
The Vines, my question was answered.
They may be able to help answer Todd.
Glenn
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Jazz Attack
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5/6/2009 3:00:12 PM
Check out Audiosparx.com for online licencing- ringtones or youlicence
Seems to becoming popular to do it this way- or the other way spend the next ten years approaching TV companies ad companies yourself.............
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5/7/2009 11:27:00 PM
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I've had 3 songs accepted by www.mymusicsource.com and 12 songs accepted on www.musicsupervisor.com.
No licenses yet but a few listens - so hope stays alive!
Make sure a library fits your comfort level of putting your songs out there and that the money splits are acceptable for your situation...
Good luck everyone!
Dave
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