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Stoneman
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10/24/2012 11:48:33 AM
Congratulations To Richard Scotti, Bryon Tosoff and Steve April
I just wanted to take time to congratulate Richard, Bryon and Steve for recently being inducted into the "Legends Of IAC". Each one of these gentlemen is well deserving of this honor. They each bring something special to IAC. Richard is a master musician, songwriter, producer and an all around nice guy. I have had the pleasure of listening to his music many times and have great respect for his artistry and dedication to making IAC better. Steve brings a very unique historical perspective in music and so many other aspects of life. He is a consistent contributor to the IAC experience and a great songwriter. Bryon is an accomplished musician and a well noted music promotions manager. He has helped many artists to achieve their goals in regards to radio play and overall career paths.
If you have not taken the time to visit these legends web pages and peruse their work, I suggest that you do. You will find some great music that is well worth spending some time listening to. Big congratulations guys!
Also, thank you IAC for following up on some of the action items you said you would be implementing. It is so easy for us to find fault and criticize the website. Let us put just as much energy into recognizing the good things that are being done around here.
Much Respect & Thanks
Stoneman
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Richard Scotti
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10/24/2012 1:47:41 PM
---- Updated 10/24/2012 2:06:45 PM
Thank you so much, Stoneman and congrats to Steve and Bryon.Thank you to IAC and to all my friends and colleagues.
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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10/24/2012 3:54:58 PM
Wow, this is a great tribute to three of the best
, Richard is a lifelong friend, through these pages, Bryon is my go to man when I have no answer, and Steve is the consummate expert on musical history and a fine songwriter to boot, did I mention that Rich and Bryon also consistently turn out fabulous tracks which make up much of the music on our stations
So I thought I'd check out the page
Blow me down but we are also included----thank you Dave and the backroom crew, we have been humbled by this generous act .
breaking news!
We are about to bring a new member band to this site doing extremely well in the New Zealand scene ' The Honeysmiths"
http://www.barberlin.co.nz/gallery/Uncategorised/the-honeysmiths/182055?view=grid&order=name
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Shoe City Sound
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10/24/2012 8:29:02 PM
Big Applause and congrats to Richard, Bryon, Steve and Silverwood Studio ..... all of you legend with us in the Shoe City and so it's a thrill to see you added to a list of IAC Legends as well!!
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Stoneman
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10/24/2012 8:35:33 PM
Sorry Rob,
It says you were inducted in 2007. I certainly would have included you in this post if not for that. Anyway, big congrats to you also on this well deserved induction!
Stoneman
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Hop On Pop
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10/25/2012 7:04:05 AM
Well-deserved!
Congratulations, folks!
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Voodoohead Productions
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10/26/2012 1:12:55 PM
Thanks for the kind words stoneman, and kudos to Steve and Richard, as well as Silverwood and the many others that have been acknowledged over the years here at iacmusic. I am honored to be included. thank you to all
bryon
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Tom O'Brien
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10/26/2012 8:18:50 PM
E-applause to you all!
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Chandra Moon
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10/27/2012 8:49:58 AM
Brilliant! *heads off to look*
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Chandra Moon
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10/27/2012 8:49:59 AM
Brilliant! *heads off to look*
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Steve April
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10/28/2012 2:27:42 PM
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THANKS Stoneman for the commentary, kudos Bryon and Richard, and Tom (a very good painter, check out Tom's work on his artist page), Hop on Pop, Chandra, and the keepers of the indie spirit, and water bottles...
that we participate in the glory...
tell the story...
i'm gonna have another cuppa coffee, and turn off the tv, too many commercials, and listen to IAC...
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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10/31/2012 3:25:49 PM
Feel kinda stupid---how could I miss that we were added in 2007 that's five years ago
I must pay more attention hahahahahahaaaaaaa!
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Slimdog Productions
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11/2/2012 9:58:50 PM
Congrats to all of you. Well deserved!!!
Slim
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Steve Ison
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11/3/2012 11:16:57 AM
Congratulations to all of you...Is there a link to Legends at IAC ? I couldn't find it
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Voodoohead Productions
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11/3/2012 1:46:15 PM
hi Steve, apparently it is here. after looking for it myself for a bit located link at:
http://iacmusic.com/legendsofIAC.htm
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Steve Ison
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11/3/2012 2:22:59 PM
Thanx Voodoo..I noticed there are no inductees for 2010 n 2011
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Voodoohead Productions
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11/7/2012 7:46:56 AM
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thanks Steve, its bryon here, many know of me around here, and for those dont who know me, its bryon tosoff-voodoohead productions manager and promoter, advocate of many a musician for years as well as a former keyboard player for the thebluevoodoo
The many who might think that all I do is promote artists, well I am a lover of music and a performing artist and still on occasion get out there and do up some chops here and there as a soloist offering up background music at weddings special events and such, I also have a few songs lying around at my artist page here at iacmusic. , thanks to the many who support my own works and feature them at your stations, appreciate your generosity
Bryon's artist page at iacmusic.com
Bryon Tosoff at iacmusic
I have done a number of collaborations with some fine artists from this community over the last few years as well.
cheers
Bryon Tosoff
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Steve April
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11/12/2012 6:43:49 PM
honored and humbled, thanks.
I feel this may be alittle over the top but I'll say this anyway.
There's talent on IAC in the core constituency, that's equivalent to the beatles, in my humble view. and a grand world theater of indie music here, in the most user friendly formatted music site on the web.
if not better...
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Steve Ison
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11/13/2012 4:17:17 AM
"a grand world theater of indie music here"
Love that quote Steve
"in the most user friendly formatted music site on the web"
BY FAR the best station making/playing/seeing facility on the web for sure..
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Richard Scotti
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11/26/2012 12:52:22 PM
On another thread I asked a question: Do you think there will ever be another "golden age" of music. (the 60's-70's) Creatively we may already be in one now but it's very hard for the new greats to be discovered. The market is flooded with artists and it's hard to stand out and get an opportunity when there is so much competition. Back in the day there was a vacuum for every kind of sound and those vacuums got pretty filled. But I truly feel that there is just as much talent around today as there was back then but now there are just too many horses on the track. It's a chaotic situation that's hard to sort out. The 60's are a difficult act to follow, especially when the support for new and different concepts has been taken over with the obsession for finding hits and cloning whatever is the flavor of the month. Today's creative voids are often filled with the wrong artist for the wrong reasons and that's a shame because there are so many potential stars out there who haven't been given a chance to shine but I'm hopeful that will change. The music industry needs to be reinvented.
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Steve April
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11/26/2012 5:29:58 PM
I share your hopes and wishes Richard, off the cuff, there's a few cultural headwinds, if I may say.
1. demographics...changing demographics, large groups for example, from china, japan, korea, new citizens, so to speak, with no cultural memory or concern for what came before. Imagine if we were in china, or india? would we concern ourselves with their music? would an average citizen? people are concerned about family and jobs, understandably so, from their point of view.
most youtube video views = "gingnam," by the asian guy w sunglasses lol...
2. demographics...not to mention south america, central america, mexico, the carribean, all flavors, all colors (god bless em lol) each with their own "roots" music, important to them.
3. what gives me hope...sites like IAC. I agree there's talent on IAc that could launch a revolution in the music biz.
4. Walt Whitman and Emily Dickinson are considered the twin pillars of 19th century American poetry. During their lifetimes, not at all, shunned by the "establishment." They were outcasts, either self published (Whitman), or could not get published (Emily).
Didn't a bard say (or was this Elvis) "you can block out the sun for awhile, but you can't make it go away."
Dedication, determination... (there's a sayin' in theoretical physic, "it's so crazy, it might be true."
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Stoneman
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11/26/2012 9:22:59 PM
That is really good positive stuff guys!
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Slimdog Productions
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11/27/2012 12:35:14 AM
There is SO much talent here at IAC, I wonder why more artists here aren't sought after by indie and major labels. It befuddles me. Or people keep it secret :)
I would put the accomplishments of the artists here against any other music site...
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Voodoohead Productions
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11/27/2012 6:35:31 AM
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So folks , I come here and on occasion I see some comments and thoughts from musicians who are conjecturing surmising and thinking out loud about the music biz,when in fact they dont know a damn thing about what is happening around them. its like they live in a fairy tale. , and what they are saying is a bunch of fluff,
most of you just dont know and wont ever know what is going on out in the world of the changing era of this "so called music biz" ,
What a lot of people here on this blog just dont get or even understand is this, it will never ever be what it was.how can it be. The old way of doing things is gone. and has been for some time. I really do get fed up with some of you here because honestly, you dont have a clue. I do, because i am in the business of promoting artists and deal with loads of people in the industry.and even I think I know, and then go, what the hell why dont these cats get this guys music, well the fact is, payola still has its place , even now, but done in a different way,thats a fact!
also you better have some pretty huge deep pockets or have a angel or advocate who is willing to invest in your music, , yes I have my finger on the pulse of what is going on , or think I do, . and you know what. its tougher then ever before. now dont tell me you got someone looking at you, or a label is interested, or what ever BS you will throw down here to try to convince me or others , because very few here will ever make it, and yes there are established artists that have put their music up at iacmusic and every damn other music site there is. scattering their seed all about.........but the many the 99.99999% of you hopefuls just aint gonna go anywhere, cause you just dont know and have not keep up with the times and the changing fact of the way things are DONE
THAT AINT THE WAY TO ATTRACT NEW FANS DUDES
the music business and the business of music for labels, (which are fading fast for developing artists and have been for some time) Everything about the whole landscape has been undergoing a huge transformation, for years, what I detect here on the pipeline with comments above is some ignorance of what is transpiring and going on
If you want some insight of what is happening, and has been happening in the music world, and I have suggested this many times before Read Bob Lefsetz articles
recent one goes something like this
"Wanna succeed today?
Know who your audience is.
Making albums?
They're only for your hard core fans. You're not gonna get lucky. No mainstream media review or radio airplay is gonna blow you up. Unless it's Top Forty, and none of these acts make that kind of music.
In other words, if you're a classic rocker making new music, you're in the data business. Without it, you've got a stiff.
First and foremost you've got to know who your audience is. I'm not talking a demo, I mean the e-mail addresses. Yes, you're taking names. If you're gonna put out new music, you'd better start at least two years before collecting names. And that cannot be all. You've got to give these people something on a regular basis. Via Twitter, Facebook...you've got to be engaged with them so they don't forget you. Oh, of course they know you, but they're not thinking of you. As for those whose e-mail addresses you do not have, chances are they won't even know you've got a new album out. And they've been burned so many times, they're not gonna lay down their money to find out their preconceived notion is wrong. They're not even gonna read about you somewhere and click through to hear a sample track, that's too much work in this harried, media overload world.
In other words, all these old acts are playing to the gatekeepers.
They've got to play to their audience."
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DO YOU KNOW WHO YOUR AUDIENCE IS, YOU BETTER!!!
or are you just making music as a hobby,throwing your songs up here and look and see your name and songs, and yeah you, get some nice thoughtful reviews, get stroked, petted ,all that. thats fine, but you AINT gonna make any money at all selling your wares here and or anywhere being a hobbyist, if you are serious then you better start studying how it is done and get with the program. cause what i see here is fluff and BS.
just telling you how it is......and it aint the way many of you see it at all, take off those rosy colored glasses , roll up your sleeves and pound the pavement. get connected up with all the social media thing as much as you can, get up on youtube, hire a publicist , find your niche. and quit dreaming, and start doing. doing more then just making music. thats just a part of the process
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Voodoohead Productions
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11/27/2012 2:57:04 PM
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look everyone, there is great talent here and amazing songs, wonderful musicians who love whatthey do, but to those who are interested and those who may have read this and think have a thing against iacmusic and or the musicians here and am angry, I am not, I am just telling you the truth.
I aint dismissing the talent here, the musicianship of many is top drawer. what I am trying to dispel is the myth that a label is going to make you a star, the reality is this, its of how getting on a label is next to impossible and getting discovered takes effort and years of sacrifice. learning your craft and developing it is paramount. Press the flesh, rub shoulders with those in the industry learn the ropes
that is if you are serious , but if it is just a hobby, well that is cool too. .
if you are wanting something bad enough you will get there, some sooner, some later, some never. some will continue to play in the dives, the stinky bars. get road weary and give up. but those who have a passion and love what they do and do what they love, well it will happen, I guess but if you are in it for the long haul you will succeed , no matter what I say or anyone else says.
but please. when you make a comment on the music business ,make it worthwhile and not just some idea that floats in your head , find out how this industry works, become your own advocate, sell yourself and do your thing, I just get tired of reading about people who think they know and say the music business needs to be re-invented or others who think it is going to be the talent here that is going to get discovered at iacmusic, because its the place to be, that is a pipe dream, indeed it is one aspect,no question it is a good place., i dont deny that, but please for the love of mike. get some basis by which you can back up what is put here on the pipe when discussing about the music biz and provide some kinda factual basis for your comments, or some life experience . anything that shows me and the reader you got a grasp on this music biz,. that will make people go, hey this guy got a good point, or I really think he dont know what he is talking about, and anyways I dont really care what Bryon says, because really what has he done. or accomplished. I am gonna do what i like and want and succeed in this bloody business come hell or high water
I expected some kinda response to this post I made. and frankly I am disappointed none was made......but then again, maybe this place is made for the weak, those who need to be stroked and told you are so good and look to get flattered and all that........any takers. or all you so surprised that I said what I said
again. stellar music lives here. wonderful people. good musicians. there is no question there. again it is knowing what makes this whole industry tick. and if you knew that then some more insightful comments would have been made rather then conjecture and a hope and wish.
again, no anger, just truth. in my little world of doing the business side of things
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Voodoohead Productions
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11/27/2012 3:21:18 PM
KUDOS
I would like to say though, kudo's to people like Dick Aven , Stoneman and numerous others who know about what I have talked about here, those who have experienced the ups and downs and understand how things really work in the music world and how exciting and disappointing things can be, . they can provide some insight and experiences that are worthwhile. I only share my experiences from a business point of view, they can provide perhaps both sides......and I am sure there are many others like Hugh Hamilton and many more who can preach the gospel of this predatory music world and its challenges..
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Stoneman
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11/27/2012 4:28:24 PM
It should be noted that I originally posted the below response in a personal note to Bryon on FB. It was his request that I post it here....................
You seem angry at the artists that posted positive things about the music industry. You made some very good points and I don't think anyone would begrudge your credentials in the music business. I just think that not everyone has the vision you have and most artists certainly don't have the drive to get out there and do what you and your artists have done. Many don't even know how and most probably can't even afford to hire someone like you to help guide them through the new music business model. So, they cleave to what they know best. Music! Meanwhile, I am sure they hope that someone will give them the shot that they crave. As you state, it is true that they may never reach any of the goals they dream of. But this isn't something new in the music industry either. I mean, the majority of music professionals never reach their goals. The fact is that less than 5% of all product released in the music industry makes a profit. Sure, it is worst than what it was when I was a budding young upstart but there are also more people trying to make it in the business than in my day. I can't think of any other business model with that kind of track record. Hundreds of thousands of CD's are released every year. But only a minute few ever get heard by the public and even those that get heard may not become a hit. The music industry has always been sort of like playing the lotto. If you are doing all the right things, meeting all the right people, compiling all the right lists and diligently touring all over the world, just maybe you might be able to make a living. Or, you could wind up like an old fart like me who has a big enough fan base to release an independent product and be satisfied with the few thousand people who always buy my music. I am fortunate in that those people have been my fans for 30+ years. When they die off I probably will be ready to die off also. No, I am not delusional. I know I am never going to be a big star. I think I missed that window 30 years ago when I was young, good looking and energetic. Also, I definitely know my audience intimately. We have been attached forever it seems.
But there are others at IAC who may see your comments as confirmation of their own dire condition. Seeing as the situation seems so hopeless, maybe they should just pack up all their gear, sell it and find a new dream. Well, I think not! I think being positive about a situation may be the first element they need to get their music careers going. Maybe your comments here can be used as a teachable moment. Maybe they will contact you on a personal level and seek your advice. Of course, you being in the business, your advice will probably not come free. But maybe you can give IAC artists a discount? Maybe not. Sorry if I made a bad idea there. I know you are very busy and may not have time to work with IAC artists. All I am saying is that being positive is not a detriment. I have known so many artists who kept believing in themselves until they finally made it. 99% of them that made it just got lucky. We know that for every Justin Beiber who got lucky there are a million who will not. But just like the lotto, you can't win it if you ain't in it.
I'm not even sure I know how the post even morphed into the topic that it is now. My original post was just to recognize artists for being inducted into the legends of IAC. It had nothing to do with their future in the music industry. I always say that you can only go as far as you strive to go in music. Even if you do everything right, you may fail! The music industry has changed so much in the 50 years that I have been in it that I hardly recognize it now. Because of this I have changed my speech to my students from you're going to be a star some day to you have got to love this shit so much that you would do it for free. That's because there is a good chance that you will someday be doing it for free. I know some bands that are paying the venue just so they can play. That was unheard of in my day.
In 2004 I went back to college because I wanted to find out what i had been doing wrong. I wanted to learn more about the business of music. By the time I graduated I realized that I had done so many things wrong that only a miracle was going to resurrect my music career. So, I decided that I should be happy with my own little corner of success. I have won 39 music awards, traveled all over the world and have been on stage with some great artists. To Michael Jackson that would seem to be such a failed career. But to an old fart like me it is something that I am proud of. I am hopeful that my students will someday have at least a fraction of the success that I have had. To people like you I may be considered a nothing musically. But to my little fan base I am a star and when my students look at all the awards on my wall they think I am something special. Perception is 100% reality. Well, thats my story and I'm sticking with it. (smile)
Anyway, I just want to thank you for your comments on the post. Hopefully it will inspire rather than discourage. Hopefully some artists will read the things you have suggested they should read and become enlightened to the new music business model. But those that choose to go a different rout should not be counted out either. As we use to say: there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not sure why anyone would want to skin a cat but that's what we use to say. (embarrassed grin)
Have A Great Holiday Season Bryon
Much Respect,
Stoneman aka old fart.............
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Steve Ison
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11/27/2012 4:36:08 PM
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Interesting posts Bryon..You make alot of good points
I read Bob Lefsetzs blogs too - Always readable..I Totally respect him for being an idealist- and really wish i liked his music taste more ! lol
From a personal perspective - I put video's up on youtube and promote abit on facebook but thats about it..I had a kinda limp go at promoting myself more aggressively about a years ago -but found the process dispiriting n depressing to the max..
It takes a certain kinda ambitious driven personality to do loads of that - and found out that definitely isn't me..I definitely prefer living in my rose-tinted 'art' world- where the only focus is the quality n vibe of 'the song'
I think what depresses me most is that the objective creative quality of 'the song' seems to matter so little nowadays..
Even if you take away the obvious teeny corporate dross -the artists who become succesful thru just the 'net all seem to be charismatic vibrant live performers..I hear their music - and they can get away with having pretty mediocre,predictable songs if the charisma of the personality is there..
People seem to totally buy into the person -not the song..
There's a niche of people in the world (who arn't other musicians) who are interested in discovering unknown gems in whatever taste suits them..
I'm sure there's places online that cater and make it extremely easy to find 'the good stuff' in whatever style people want..
Its finding tastemakers i can really trust (definitely not Bob Lefsetz lol) that'd be the key for me as a listener..
Thats definitely what i want
And its humbling hearing so many brilliant brilliant songs here on IAC
They're everywhere...and unfortunately its not considered important in the wide world..
But i'll fight whatever corner i can to make it matter more -'cos that where my heart lies..
But its like the wild west out there -You've just gotta try and find your own way n get whatever scraps of attention you can..
Creative quality (the way i see it) seems pretty irrelevant as an artist to be succesful..
Its your hustling skills that seem to matter most..
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Voodoohead Productions
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11/27/2012 4:57:38 PM
nice posts by Steve and Stoneman. appreciate your insight and bringing me your points of view. again. i am the devils advocate here today. challenging some thought provoking feedback
all good
love both your works. and good points
thanks
bryon
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