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Father Time
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10/28/2015 11:12:32 AM
Did Facebook kill the internet?
ok before I get into my thesis here let me state a disclaimer. I like facebook even though I'm currently on hiatus from it. I love that all my online friends and even high school friends from over the years can be found in one place. That said..
When I arrived online in 1998, the web was the wild wild west. I would go in aol chatrooms and meet new people every day, people who were open to anything, it was a great scene. As I got into it further, the forums were amazing, led by the best forum that ever existed, the first mp3.com forum, and many others I spent my online life in, Fight Club, the Mosh Pit, it just plain rocked. Artists were very creative then, they were constantly putting up interesting visuals, performance art, it was a huge competition for the spotlight. I noticed, oh, in about 2006 or so that women stopped going to forums, leaving them mostly male. Forums were dying. You got to get to know people so much better then. What started as an open internet became sort of ruled by fear, by a lot of personable people wanting to avoid bad conversations, bad people. Then facebook came and you could basically surround yourself with whoever you wanted and you never again really had to stick your neck out with strangers. Somebody starts to grind on you a little bit, you unfriend them. You are guaranteed a safe, kosher environment. HOWEVER, the internet was better, cooler when you had to put yourself out there a little, when everyone wasn't curled up in their own private cubby hole. Take the pipeline for instance. We've added hundreds of new artists but how many even want to speak to our crowd. Most of the music sites and I've criticized them for this don't even have a community but maybe they're just ahead of me because it seems when it all comes down to it, not a lot happens here especially when the sock puppets are on strike.
It depresses me greatly that the online world isn't an open place anymore. I don't think there's anything we can do about it, either. Facebook is one of the main culprits, because they encourage us to surround ourselves with people we feel safe around.
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 12:16:23 PM
you been around a lot longer in this blog, chatroom theme then I, Although I was more into research of my genealogy and using that to drill down and find out about my families past, name etc. I was in a few things at yahoo's thing chat blog whatever it was called, dont use it much anymore,for me it was mainly music dj radio stuff. but never entered the fray of interaction or posting until I came here expressing ones views
I admit, it was entertaining way back in the iacmusic days pipeline., but also some things I found a bit much, that being personal attacks., that shit I am not into, although I have slipped occasionally , but stay away for the most part from the slagging and flaming another individual. But will do it if only to stand up for what I believe in. yet again, I have found that one can get into serious shit if you say the wrong kind of thing that is pushing to defaming or libeling someone. So anyways, FT, you were at the peak of things when it was all new fresh and most enlightening, if I may use enlightening. Some of us may miss it, but i think like some of my friends, some just got tired of the whole scene, they said it was a time waster. and they could do better things with their lives. so many just are not involved and just dont care. For some who got a high from it, well I suppose it is missed. I am not one of those, although will participate on occasion, even with the sock puppets. Only When I am in the mood. most times I will ignore them.
cheers and thanks for the good read and interesting subject
bryon
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 12:21:36 PM
Maybe Facebook killed something, I see a lot of mundane stupid posts there and not very original engaging people at times. posts of pictures, images, one liners. music that no one wants to listen to, advertising, maybe advertising killed the internet. cheers
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Noah Spaceship
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10/28/2015 1:40:57 PM
I like the point you make about it being safe.
It was the Wild West in the late 90s online and in that atmosphere we were tempered by a different element and that was the lack of 'safe'.
One thing I noticed about fb is just that, it is safe.
I don't see the character building now like we experienced back then.
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 2:29:30 PM
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or character assassination. character building, really , get the shit licked out of you or slagged or flamed or crucified is that considered character building, that is complete bull shit.
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Father Time
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10/28/2015 2:31:37 PM
well Bryon, with all due respect, it's not such a bad thing when people are real with one another. Otherwise much of the time you get a big schmoozefest.
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 2:49:54 PM
True Ft, but with all that, we need to stay away from assholism, we did that and devastating results on iacmusic, that was at times here a SHITFEST. thats my opinion and i am sticking to it, you guys can do your shit and sock poop pets and be real all you want., I wont participate. like I said , would we talk to a friend like that, maybe you , or some do. would I talk to a prospective artist like that, well, I will be real, but respectful if they dont measure up and i say, nicely ,you suck to them
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Father Time
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10/28/2015 2:59:21 PM
I don't recall folks getting disrespectful about others' music here, ever. That's not really what I was talking about.
If you hate the sock puppets so much that you get nasty with them, there's not much difference in the air than if they were here trolling.
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 3:05:28 PM
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No there was other stuff FT , it doesnt matter,as for me offerings, I participate and often here, and it is all good , I give a lot, as much as I can to make this place active, yes you are right, I wish too it was more active with more people, not sure how to remedy that, but in time it will get better, . I will jump off this horse and mingle, and I have done that a lot and am a contributor around here, in many ways, we i respect everything you do, so. I grant you that I guess I have gotten too tangled up in this conversation and let it get out of hand , I will agree with you on the above point, and sure, i guess i troll. And sure ,lets have entertainment, thanks for pointing out my shortcomings
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Father Time
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10/28/2015 3:09:39 PM
Bryon, you're a leader here, you do just fine. Was just pointing out that the cold hand of hatred stirs the pot bad no matter who or what it's directed at. and I'm as guilty as anybody of the same.
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 3:13:56 PM
I agree FT. gotta work.
Thanks for the really good article i enjoyed it , at least it got the juices and Adrenalin pumping LOL now if more sock puppets would pipe up and maybe some others who dont do the puppet thing. rock on
cheers man
bryon
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Noah Spaceship
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10/28/2015 7:31:37 PM
Yes, Bryon, character building like you mentioned.
It woke me up to my own bullshit, and I am better for it.
I don't see that anymore, because crying in your soup is completely enabled by other whiny groups of crybabies.
The world is full of debauchery and the worst forums are still just words and a diluted facsimile of real life at best.
Would I talk to people face to face like I do online?
You bet your fucking ass.
But I am a rare breed like that.
It seems like a lot of folks are sick pupets online and completely Different person to person.
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Noah Spaceship
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10/28/2015 7:33:20 PM
Sick pupets, sock pupets - auto correct does not like that combo - sock puppets
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Shoe City Sound
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10/28/2015 7:40:28 PM
So agree with your whole point that the internet is not as wild and free anymore. It's Face Book definitely and a whole bunch of other things - mostly that everything gets emulsified. Like back in the day when I had friends that did brilliant tie dye tee shirts - so gorgeous. One day I saw a rack of polyester "tie dye" tee shirts in a department store all printed with the identical design. Or when AOL was so big with everyone - people that I knew were so grateful. One woman actually said "I love my AOL" in a sort of reverent tone to me because before that the internet was way too open and confusing for her even to use email. People with imagination and creativity start things and it catches on and gets so popular that others feel left out if they don't participate. And that's when emulsification occurs. Someone figures out a way to charge them money to be involved at a level they can tolerate. It can't be too weird or hard to learn how to do of course ....
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Bryon Tosoff
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10/28/2015 8:57:31 PM
I like honesty Fred, and glad you have offered some excellent points, i rather like what you said, waking up to our own self delusion.seeing what we are not, then recognizing what we have to work with and rebuild ourselves, I guess, so in that I agree, many of us deceive our own selves, thinking we are something when in fact we are nothing.
Yet, we all try to do the best we can, in whatever it may be, I like to have interaction with people here, and And I hope it is for the edification of others, (but how can we really know each other when we have never met)As for me, I want to build people up, that is the business I am in. so with what I do in both teaching, and promoting, I refuse to disrespect the people I work with. and even here, yet I know sometimes we all slip and think we are like holier then thou attitude.So for me, I am in the business of building people or at least I hope I do. that is the business and calling I am in. and have done so for a long time.
thanks for your note, and to Dolores as well. I think Dolores knows a lot about me even though we have never met, since we both are teachers, in the music end of things, anyways, good night , this has been an interesting revelation. for me. at least
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