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Father Time
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3/23/2017 11:31:53 AM
a crucial note to all songwriters
You want to know what makes a big damn difference? Writing lyrics about stuff you actually care about. Didya ever consider doing that? Give it a try sometime. Try to matter maybe?
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3/23/2017 11:49:13 AM
Oh you are absolutely right.
Write like you're talkin' about stuff that matters to you,
not like you're trying to construct a hallmark greeting card. good point.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/23/2017 11:52:02 AM
Damn I was just writing a song about fluffy puppies, butterflies, rainbows and other such nonsense. Back to the drawing board.
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3/23/2017 11:53:55 AM
Well, my mentor Lesley Gore
had a hit once with an unlikely thing called
"Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows",
but that was a long time ago,
you could actually pass off shit like that then.
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3/23/2017 11:56:19 AM
by the way, this is me half-joking, and decidedly being a smartass,
but in this day and age,
you may be able to utilize a song,
containing all the things you mentioned, fluffy puppies,
and whatever other warm fuzzy things you rattled off,
if you had for a chorus: "AND I WANNA KILLLLLL THEMMMMMMM"....
but don't actually do that.
Well, nothing is stopping you, I just had to say that anyway.
the 'don't actually do that' thing.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/23/2017 12:09:17 PM
ALJ,
My point was that my musical "talents" as they are might be questionable or even non-existent according to some spectators (not here)who hurl rocks in my direction.
What I have been told consistently from many independent sources is that my lyrical content is quite good.
I don't write "fluff" stuff that I don't think matters was my point.
Now maybe there is a great song about rainbows and fluffy puppies yet to be written who am I to judge?
I will also point out that content that is relevant in context to the eye of the beholder. What I think is good content you might think is rubbish and so forth.
Just to write a song for the sake of a song is going against nature and in my option that type of rot is a was of time and space.
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Hop On Pop
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3/23/2017 12:13:34 PM
When I'm writing a song, if I'm singing the lyrics and they don't resonate with me, if they're just fluff, then the song is usually not going to make it out of my bedroom.
There have been one or two that have made it out, but that was just because I thought that they were clever enough to skate by. Some folks liked 'em, but I rarely sing them just because I don't feel it.
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3/23/2017 12:13:43 PM
Ken, don't look now, Buddy, but I get your point.
I agreed with you.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/23/2017 12:33:31 PM
Well something is going on in the universe.
I think we just agreed on two different topics in the same day
stranger things have happened I suppose.
carry on as you do ALJ carry on.
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3/23/2017 12:40:29 PM
Oh we've agreed before, Ken.
Every now and then. It happens.
Some days I'm a Superheroine. Some days I'm a Complete Dick.
And Carry On, Well, that's what pallbearers do isn't it.
Don't let your end of the coffin dip, Dude.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/23/2017 12:57:23 PM
True enough ALJ you do speak truth.
As for letting my end slip check my response to "the one who's time in the sun has never come" post.
I may falter and I may grow weary but I march on as you do and most others here do.
If my side of the coffin as you put it slips then it is because I have gone beyond the realms and into the song of fluffy bunnies and rainbows never to return.
Until that day I remain as I always have been the one who carries on despite the odds the one who is and always will be battered and bruised but never done.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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3/23/2017 1:39:03 PM
That's the one thing I do as a songwriter, write about things that matter,
especially in aspects of relationships, in all phases, whether good, bad, the start of one, wanting one or ending one. To me, Love & Happiness is what matters most, but sometimes sadness and loneliness also fall into the fray.
In either case, I tend to write lyrics that Others can relate to, it's not always about me. And I don't write songs that only I could relate to, or write songs for the sake of writing with rhymes and random lines that don't make sense in the song.
That is the one thing I stress out to young up and coming songwriters who contact me for advice and tips. I like that I am a mentor of sorts to several new writers.
Write what you feel, your thoughts, what you've experience, what you've seen others experience, and weave it in a way that others can say "Hey, that's how I feel!"
I generalize it so that any other singer can say "Hey, I can relate to that, I will record my own version of that song!" To me, that is a sign of some form of success when other singers and/or bands want to record one of my songs!
And it fills me with delight to see all the attention that artist receives because of a song I had written!
Case in point, the lovely and talented Francesca Tamellini,
with her own version of my song "Keep Fooling Myself".
My version was basically a straight forward pop rock song,
but her version was stripped down, with a slower tempo, and you can hear, and feel, the emotions in her rendition! She made it easy to believe she is going through a post break-up period in her life and others can find that relatable.
I've written songs in other topics as well, in a wide variety of styles, and for the most part are also songs others can relate to. I do try to avoid writing songs that deals with politics nor do I use obscenities, not even for dramatic effects! I for one don't believe in the usage of curse words or that now overused "N" words in songs! I would like young kids to be able to sing along to my songs as well without them being exposed to words they don't need to be hearing in a song. It's a sad state of mind, and of the times, where many songwriters feel they must include that in order to "fit in" with the younger generations or to be relevant in today's society.
As for my recordings, I do the best I can, I consider them to be Demos, always hoping a bigger established act may someday hear my songs and decides to record a version of their own. I do feel my writing is in the caliber of top successful songwriters but most people judge my songs based on my singing abilities which I admit to be mediocre, but hey, I at least try. As the old saying goes, all it takes is for One of my songs to be recorded by a top act and become a hit song played on the radio and sells millions! And that's why I continue to write and record even after all these years!! All it takes is one crucial Ear to hear potential!
Have a nice day everyone!! :-)
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Larree
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3/23/2017 1:47:00 PM
A truly great songwriter can write a song about soap and make it a hit.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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3/23/2017 1:53:48 PM
As for Sunshine, Rainbows and Fluffy Bunnies,
there is always a market for Kid's Songs you know!
There is a charity organization called The Sing Me A Story Foundation that is always looking for songwriters to take a short story written by sick children and turn them into Kids friendly songs. You can read more info on this at
https://singmeastory.org/
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The Jay Dyall Project
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3/23/2017 1:56:21 PM
Larree, you are absolutely right!
There has already been a hit song about Soap! LOL
"A Little Bit Of Soap" by The Jarmels in 1961!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6JOgslsHDc
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Larree
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3/23/2017 2:05:37 PM
Right on, Jay! I remember that one! :D
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Father Time
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3/23/2017 4:02:02 PM
This was a hit as far as I'm concerned. But I do think whoever wrote it truly loved the product.
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Larree
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3/23/2017 4:57:04 PM
Yes, a classic for sure!
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LyinDan
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3/23/2017 6:21:41 PM
I wrote a song about eating my pickle. It's stuff like that that matters a whole lot to me.
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LyinDan
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3/23/2017 6:30:07 PM
That stuff mattered a whole lot to the Immortal Chuck Berry, too, come (no pun)(?) to think of it.
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LyinDan
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3/23/2017 6:32:30 PM
To be sure, most songs are written about sex in one way or another. Or love. Or lovely sex. Or dirty sex. It's what really matters the most.
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Stoneman
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3/24/2017 12:57:02 AM
I agree 100%!
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Hop On Pop
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3/24/2017 6:32:01 AM
Hell, it could be stupid fluff to the rest of the world, as long as it matters to me, I am good with it and good with singing it.
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Larree
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3/24/2017 2:37:54 PM
"the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." ~ F. Scott Fitzgerald
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Bob Elliott
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3/24/2017 8:32:09 PM
I mostly try to tune into whatever wavelength from my subconscious.
But I have great respect and admiration for pros writing more to spec, and I'm pretty sure I could write to whatever parameters if I got paid for it.
But I don't, so I drift into following my subconscious around, which has a lot of gold for me.
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Father Time
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3/24/2017 8:36:42 PM
Larree, you're making this topic more complicated than it is. Fact is there are a lot of people out there writing songs that they think pass the test of coming from the heart and soul but they're fooling themselves if they think they're fooling others.
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Larree
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3/24/2017 10:07:24 PM
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I've known some very crafty songsmiths who had the skills to write songs about anything on command. Nashville types. That kind of writing can be just as fun and rewarding. Hell, sometimes if you are writing "from the heart and soul" about serious stuff it is not fun at all!
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Bob Elliott
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3/27/2017 10:41:02 PM
The crucial thing is to write a song that works. Songs that work are beautiful and mysterious things. Those all interest me.
They come in many flavors, but they are different from the other, larger category: songs that don't work.
Examples:
No Particular Place to Go
This Land Is Your Land
Groove Is in the Heart
Straight Outa Compton
Night and Day
Down to the Crossroads
If You Go Away
Hotline Bling
Could It Be I'm Falling In Love?
Sin City
God Bless the Child That's Got His Own
Black is the Color of My True Love's Hair
They work.
A complete thing that works is so cool.
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/28/2017 3:31:13 PM
Maybe on the fluffy bunnies and rainbows dismissal you missed:
Rows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere ......
You can make things matter if you want.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/28/2017 5:00:03 PM
I'll entertain the thought that my example may have room for error as you and some others have pointed out. I'll go so far to say that its quite possible there is no such thing as "fluff" but that "fluff" is a created construct that may or may not exist.
That is an interesting statement Francesca how do you "make things matter"
Depending on the person and subject they may matter or not matter is there a way that things can be "made to matter" to someone who is indifferent? If so how do you do that?
Can things be "made to matter" when a person cares less about them?
I am particularly intrigued by the feather cannons you mentioned that to me sounds like an interesting song lyric.
TSC,
Ken
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/28/2017 5:25:03 PM
You seem to have overlooked three of my words - 'if you want' obviously
if you are indifferent to something you have no motivation to make it matter.
Your reference to 'cannons' escapes me. The plural of canon is canon without an 's', even then however, I don't follow.
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Father Time
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3/28/2017 5:59:30 PM
well you know, that's interesting. What you are saying is you can make any subject matter if you want. I take it you mean using writing skill to get across an emotion. For instance say you love rats, you can write a song like Ben which moved many people.
Now Ben was based on a fictional rat which had a back story from a movie. I'm not sure you could make up something like a styrofoam cup you named Tommy and make a song matter about Tommy. I think it takes more to conveying an emotion than wanting to do so. Sure some songwriters like yourself for instance have a lot of skill to work with but to make that convincing might take more than anybody has the "skill" to do.
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/28/2017 6:04:19 PM
Actually, the simplest most mundane experiences are far easier to convey because they are common. If you wanted to write about your love for Tommy the styrophome cup just through in a few minor chords and repeat his name in soft tones. If you want to write about the damage he does to the planet, you might have a more difficult job.
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3/28/2017 6:40:58 PM
Ken, she didn't say 'cannons',
she said 'canyons' which is, part of that lyric,
she's quoting,
nearly accurately,
(it's actually 'bows and flows of angel hair...;' not 'rows'... but you were close)
"Both Sides Now" which was written by Joni Mitchell,
and made a hit by Judy Collins, in the late 60s thereabouts.
An impressive song, any one of us would be proud to have written it...
it uses tons of byzantine poetry, and simply says ultimately,
"I've been up and down this thing, and I don't really know anything, oh well,
who wants pie..."
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Captain Confusion
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3/28/2017 7:56:58 PM
Bows and flows of angel pie
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Steve White
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3/28/2017 8:07:43 PM
For me?
A good song just needs a good melody and a strong hook. You can write about a cardboard box and make it a hit using those principals.
Steve
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Larree
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3/28/2017 8:11:43 PM
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No matter what your song means to you (And yes, I am talking to myself as well as you!), it does not mean shit unless it affects someone else in some way.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/28/2017 9:46:02 PM
as ALJ and Francensca pointed out I misread what she wrote
she said "And feather canyons everywhere"
somehow I read "And feather cannons everywhere" instead
the idea of a feather canyon confuses me I'm not sure what that means. What does it mean?
A feather cannon is an interesting concept. A cannon but is either made of or shoots feathers. Which makes it for lack of a better word, impotent.
I agree with what Larree said last that unless it moves someone else beside you what is the point.
I guess it that vain it matters not whether its "fluff" or not "fluff" but does matter how much it moves and catches on with others.
TSC,
Ken
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Bob Elliott
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3/29/2017 2:40:09 PM
Couple things:
Songs that have just one meaning are usually pretty lifeless. If you won't let your subconscious get involved, probably no one else's will either.
"Ben" is a great example of just the pure beauty of skill and art. Sure there was a story of the rat for the movie, but the writer wrote it such that it could work for that story, but also could work for other stories and feelings listeners might have. There was no way to know it was for a rat movie from just listening. It was just very well written, emotional. Did the writer feel a lot of emotion due to the movie? I doubt it, but they could access emotion through music, and they had a lot of skills.
So writing about your stuff you actually care about is sort of not the whole picture. If you're a songwriter, you tend to care a lot about beautiful songs, and that can be the whole driving force.
Writers for the Brill Co. were not always writing personal stuff (or ever?). The passion was primarily a passion for great songs.
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3/29/2017 3:32:10 PM
Right.
And this'll be the last post I do in this one too,
Ken, you just like to argue with folks, I'm gettin' to think, Son.
Now lookie here,
it's about clouds, Dude.
Joni Mitchell wrote it,
"bows and flows of angel hair,
and ice cream castles in the air,
and feathered canyons everywhere...
I've looked at clouds that way..."
you look up, like, as a kid,
at the clouds, it almost looks like,
you could either climb up on 'em,
or just, fall into 'em, if you could fall up.
it's artistic, you're an artist, right?
It's poetry, artistic license.
Feathered cannons.
And what, it shoots a bunch of feathers
'cause you stuffed a pillow in it?
You see, what a waste of time, well, I see what a waste of time this is.
Write better songs, those who give a damn.
They have to grab you from listen one,
and they have to get betterer and betterer.
And that's it.
Feathered Cannons.
Jesus.
Well I'm in Elvis Lesley mode, and don't I sound it. Later My Peeps....
Ken, yes, it sucks to be me too.
But I sure ain't cryin' about it. I'm the other guy.
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Father Time
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3/29/2017 3:34:52 PM
Bob,
I gotta disagree with you, you don't get there just caring about writing great songs. Carole King drew from within when she wrote Natural Woman and Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow. You feel the message deep in your being, it came from deep within her.
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Larree
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3/29/2017 4:54:58 PM
Jimmy Webb is one of the world's greatest songwriters and I don't think he ever worked as a lineman in Wichita.
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Larree
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3/29/2017 5:11:29 PM
I'm not trying to say that you should not put your heart into your songs. But I am saying that all the heart in the world cannot cover for a lack of skills and craft.
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Father Time
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3/29/2017 5:17:03 PM
If the song would've been about splicing electrical cords it may not have done as well.
Obviously it's a love song and Mr. Webb surely knows a thing or 2 about that subject.
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Larree
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3/29/2017 5:21:36 PM
Point is - Jimmy Webb is a highly skilled writer and unless you have those kinds of writing chops you can never come close to the next Wichita Lineman no matter how much heart you have.
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Father Time
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3/29/2017 5:40:56 PM
yeah but it's the emotional content that puts the song on the classics of all time map. and it probably played a role in his crafting of the song as well.
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Richard Scotti
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3/29/2017 6:25:44 PM
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The Feather Canyon is a landform in the Feather Headwaters between Pulga CA (west) and Keddie CA (east) along portions of the North Folk Feather RIver.
Joni wrote "Both Sides Now" inspired by the clouds she saw from a plane. It's about seeing the same thing from 2 different points of view, one view when you're young and idealistic and one view when you're older and more pragmatic. Essentially it's about regret and the loss of youthful innocence that comes from being hurt and disillusioned.
Both Sides Now
Rows and floes of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way
But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way
I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all
Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels
The dizzy dancing way you feel
As every fairy tale comes real
I've looked at love that way
But now it's just another show
You leave 'em laughing when you go
And if you care, don't let them know
Don't give yourself away
I've looked at love from both sides now
From give and take, and still somehow
It's love's illusions I recall
I really don't know love at all
Tears and fears and feeling proud
To say "I love you" right out loud
Dreams and schemes and circus crowds
I've looked at life that way
But now old friends are acting strange
They shake their heads, they say I've changed
Well something's lost, but something's gained
In living every day
I've looked at life from both sides now
From win and lose and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all
I've looked at life from both sides now
From up and down and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all
© 1967 Joni Mitchell
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Richard Scotti
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3/29/2017 6:37:27 PM
Also ~ on the subject of making songs matter - sometimes it's the music behind the lyrics that infuse them with meaning they wouldn't have if not for the music. Try reading some lyrics of well known songs and pretend you've never heard the music.
The words may not always seem like they have much gravitas or emotion, but then imagine them with the music and they seem to become transformed. A great song is a marriage of music and lyrics that produces a hybrid result that is greater then the sum of the parts.
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Two Silo Complex
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3/29/2017 6:41:29 PM
Thank you for the explanation of feathered canyons and all the lyrics.
Reading the lyrics and the content from your explanation seems like a perfect cover for me to do some day its right in my wheelhouse of arrangements.
Very cool Richard.
TSC,
Ken
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Larree
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3/29/2017 8:11:28 PM
Jimmy Webb wrote the song because Glen Campbell wanted another song about a town to follow up “By The Time I Get To Phoenix.” He didn't write it because he was crying about some babe. Craft, baby. Serious craft.
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Father Time
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3/29/2017 9:51:07 PM
I read Webb's book on songwriting. Regardless what the impetus was for doing the act of writing the song, it was about something beyond being a lineman.
from an interview I googled.
“For all we know, ‘Phoenix’ could have been a one-off thing,” Jimmy told me recently. “Glen might never have recorded another song of mine.” They finally met at a jingle session. Soon after that date, the phone rang. It was Glen, calling from the studio. “He said, ‘Can you write me a song about a town?’” Jimmy recalls. “And I said, ‘Well, I don’t know … let me work on it.’ And he said, ‘Well, just something geographical.’
“He and (producer) Al DeLory were obviously looking for a follow-up to ‘Phoenix.’ And I remember writing ‘Wichita Lineman’ that afternoon. That was a song I absolutely wrote for Glen.”
It was the first time he had written a song expressly for another artist. But had he conceived any part of “Wichita” before that call?
“Not really,” Jimmy says. “I mean I had a lot of ‘prairie gothic’ images in my head. And I was writing about the common man, the blue-collar hero who gets caught up in the tides of war, as in ‘Galveston,’ or the guy who’s driving back to Oklahoma because he can’t afford a plane ticket (‘Phoenix’). So it was a character that I worked with in my head. And I had seen a lot of panoramas of highways and guys up on telephone wires … I didn’t want to write another song about a town, but something that would be in the ballpark for him.”
So even though it was written specifically for Glen, he still wanted it to be a ‘character’ song?
“Well, I didn’t want it to be about a rich guy!” he laughs. “I wanted it to be about an ordinary fellow. Billy Joel came pretty close one time when he said ‘Wichita Lineman’ is ‘a simple song about an ordinary man thinking extraordinary thoughts.’ That got to me; it actually brought tears to my eyes. I had never really told anybody how close to the truth that was.
“What I was really trying to say was, you can see someone working in construction or working in a field, a migrant worker or a truck driver, and you may think you know what’s going on inside him, but you don’t. You can’t assume that just because someone’s in a menial job that they don’t have dreams … or extraordinary concepts going around in their head, like ‘I need you more than want you; and I want you for all time.’ You can’t assume that a man isn’t a poet. And that’s really what the song is about.”
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Larree
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3/29/2017 10:47:28 PM
Say it with me now. "Craft, baby!"
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Father Time
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3/29/2017 11:30:22 PM
So when are you going to write your Wichita Lineman?
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Larree
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3/29/2017 11:53:24 PM
I probably wrote it in the mid-seventies but forgot it.
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Bob Elliott
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3/30/2017 2:36:03 PM
Well, your quoted material seems to mostly serve the point I was trying to make.
But of course the best writers dig in for emotional content.
Nevertheless, you provided a good example of a made to order song with Wichita Lineman.
The words are great, but also the chord sequence and melody.
But what I was saying is the art of great sondwriting itself emotionally moves great songwriters. I think you gave a supreme example of that.
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/30/2017 4:41:35 PM
This is a bit silly. Of course there are songs of great depth, but Chuck Berry died last week - brilliant tunes and riffs, but not exactly emotionally deep. You can listen to Leonard Cohen and get suicidal or leap around the room to the Ramones.
I suppose you could argue that Berry and the Ramones really felt what they were doing, but it came out in energy, that was the message. The energy is fun and if bubblegum pop is also fun, then is there nothing wrong with that.
For myself, I loathe power ballads where there is an attempt to give a feeling of significance to predictable lyrics while a theatre full of dimwits wave their lighters. Better to ditch the pretence and if you just want to dance, that's fine.
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Father Time
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3/30/2017 5:05:46 PM
Well most dance songs don't matter. Course you may not prioritize choosing songs that matter. I do suspect Chuck Berry wrote No Particular Place To Go when he was sitting around with nothing to do with no particular place to go, though.
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/30/2017 5:10:51 PM
I'm trying to say that gloomy and moody aren't the only emotions. Perhaps I shouldn't as that is what I do best!
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Father Time
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3/30/2017 5:18:39 PM
Well the song Born To Be Wild matters too. and Born to Run. not gloomy or moody.
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/30/2017 5:21:48 PM
I agree with the second one. The Steppenwolf is lighter waving trivia imho.
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Father Time
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3/30/2017 5:27:15 PM
Interesting, I'm pretty sure you're the first person I've ever met in my life that doesn't like that song. Does the fact that a song becomes an anthem for a social group you find distasteful attach to songs even when chances are, the guy who was writing that was just thinking about writing a song about freedom?
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Larree
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3/30/2017 5:40:46 PM
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LOL, Born to be Waving Lighters! But seriously, I would never put that song in the "bic rock" genre, myself! lol, It's more of a psychedelic metal boogie song than a bic waving big rock ballad song to me. :D
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Bob Elliott
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3/30/2017 7:22:19 PM
Silly? Everything we talk about is silly.
Dance songs don't matter? What the fuck are you talking about? They matter most.
I don't care for Born to Be Wild.
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Larree
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3/30/2017 8:07:53 PM
I definitely agree withBob. Dance songs matter most!
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Larree
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3/30/2017 8:12:10 PM
(God, I wish they would fix that god damned edit thing already! It's "with Bob", not withbob. Fucking christ.)
... and here is this amazing Lovelight w/Janis!
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Bob Elliott
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3/31/2017 1:13:35 AM
Here's an example, a song everyone on this board thinks is great, you in particular, Scott, and as a bonus to the conversation, it's a killer dance tune:
Could It Be I'm Falling In Love?
That's written by a couple song writing brothers working for Atlantic writing a follow up for the successful 'I'll be around."
Ow odds seem slim to me either brother was right then falling in love. Shit if those songwriting teams in Motown or Atlantic fell in love as often as they wrote about it, they'd be changing partners every week.
But they know about love, they know we all love love, and they know how to write a song
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Father Time
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3/31/2017 1:37:55 AM
I'd consider that more of a melodic soul or pop song than a dance number. I'm talking about the big beat dance pop when I say dance tune.
and I also think the subject matter was drawn from real experiences.
Since I met you I've begun to feel so strange
Every time I speak your name (that's funny)
You say that you are so helpless too
That you don't know what to do
This is the way I feel about Kara. Overcome with a foreign feeling.
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/31/2017 3:49:44 AM
'Does the fact that a song becomes an anthem for a social group you find distasteful attach to songs even when chances are, the guy who was writing that was just thinking about writing a song about freedom?'
Well, no - I have no issue with bikers. They don't feature in my life. My issue is the big, meaningless chorus and add to that that it is aimed at teenage white boys, and so is simplified into a chant.
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Father Time
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3/31/2017 6:50:06 AM
Can't a woman be born to be wild? I've been with a few that were. :)
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Francesca Tamellini
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3/31/2017 8:44:49 AM
Sure Scott, but this song is not aimed at women of any variety. (let me add a note - I am not criticising anyone for aiming a song at men, I just don't happen to like the song. I do not question its right to exist nor for others to like it!!)
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Father Time
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3/31/2017 10:20:24 AM
well from my vantage point it could apply to either gender. I did find it listed under men's karaoke songs though, probably because a man sings it.
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Larree
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3/31/2017 12:48:19 PM
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I know a lot of women who love "Born to be Wild". I sing it in Second Life all the time. There is an all-female motorcycle club (Vehicles of all kinds are very popular in SL.) that hires me to perform at their events.
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Bob Elliott
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3/31/2017 2:21:31 PM
Larry, there are a lot of Janis recordings I love, and several Grateful Dead recordings I like, so I'm gonna try real hard to forget what I heard on that recording you posted.
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Bob Elliott
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3/31/2017 2:23:28 PM
All the good soul music songs are dance tunes, and that is far and away the most important stuff to me.
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Larree
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3/31/2017 2:29:37 PM
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LOL, Bob!
And I agree with you about good soul music. It's all dance music. Top shelf!
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Bob Elliott
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3/31/2017 2:36:42 PM
Oh, and 'No Particular Place to Go' is more about teenagers not being able to get pussy: a topic that surely matters, but not likely a problem Chuck was having at that time in his life.
He just knew the issue and he's hilarious and a very good writer.
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Larree
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3/31/2017 3:09:19 PM
Bob, you're killin' me today. :)
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Father Time
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3/31/2017 3:42:09 PM
Don't try to tell me Chuck wasn't feelin' that.
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Lee Burke
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3/31/2017 5:00:10 PM
this is quite a long feed innit :)
with lyrics that matter topic, i think a song can be good with meaningless lyrics too if the melody is gr8, it can be about summat silly and you'll enjoy the tune.
i like gangnam style and most the lyrics arn't even in english, songs i dont understand the words too are among my favourites
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