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Father Time
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7/28/2023 12:04:08 PM
Did metal ruin rock?
Judging by social media, bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest had a more permanent impact than artists like the Clash, Pretenders, Elvis Costello. Why is mostly loud stuff prefered over more melodic music?
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Mike Lance
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7/28/2023 1:21:43 PM
In the 50s, people thought rock ruined music for the same reasons. I love metal, punk, and classic rock, and the appeal of loud music is the way you can feel it in your gut. The adrenaline rush is addictive. Metal in particular has a more immerssive feel too, and a lot of that is in the production. It never sounds like you're listening to the music from a distance, if that makes sense. There is also a greater sense of escapism, both in terms of sound and lyrical themes.
I think diversity in music is a good thing, especially when everything is so easy to access with streaming these days. And are we sure that metal is preferred over other subgenres? The bands you mentioned may have had a bigger influence as there was a greater departure from the norm at the time.
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Mike Lance
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7/28/2023 5:41:53 PM
I don't think my opinion is valued lol
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Father Time
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7/28/2023 9:09:37 PM
Not true, I thought I'd wait til a few more people chimed in.
The reason I think this is because on Twitter, every single day of the week there is polling about rock that is predominantly metal bands, mostly of the 80s. Every single one, bad to awful, gets more mention than the Clash. Zep and Floyd rule there too, which is understandable but while I honor the right for diverse styles to exist, it bugs me that this is what most millenials and folks under 40 think rock is. Its quality is measured on loudness and noisiness and the melodic aspects are not even a factor.
It's like high school when the cool bands were Kiss and AC/DC, some of them scoff at the Beatles, but the more you like noisy shit, the more you're a rocker, according to these folks.
I don't like these acts carrying the flag for rock.
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Larree
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7/29/2023 10:32:31 AM
Never was a metal head myself. I do like some harder edged music, but I still need good melodies and lyrics.
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Mike Lance
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7/29/2023 1:12:55 PM
I like metal's outlandish lyrics for their sense of escapism. The transportation power of music is its greatest appeal for me. A pot of metal is melodic anyway. Iron Maiden has generally been more about melodies than riffs to my ears.
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Paul groover
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7/29/2023 5:19:49 PM
Has it not more about getting old and changing music fashions. Nobody likes there mum and dads music. Especially when it,s bloody bloody Cliff Richard and 10cc maybe some Dolly. Not the most inspiring music that,s why when Punk came along. I was in there like swim wear. Sid Vicious is my hero always will be. Even though he was crap at bass. He had this presence still don't what it was.
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Larree
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7/29/2023 10:05:24 PM
---- Updated 7/29/2023 10:07:02 PM
I never had that problem, Paul. We listened to all kinds of music when I was a kid, and I loved all of it! Classics, show tunes, folk, jazz, country, rock 'n' roll, etc. And even when I was a teen, I couldn't "revolt" with my music. At least not at home.
But I admit my mom was a bit angry for a minute when I wrote and played NEVER GONNA WORK for the first time, lol
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Steve April
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7/30/2023 7:43:31 PM
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Change comes in waves, with each coming generation.
There's plenty of good music out there, however, there's pressures from labels/fraud/scams, that keep it down, while their "chosen" ones rising to the top.
More corporate than ever, but desire is also strong.
For now, the baby's bein' thrown out with the bathwater, but good music's out there, simply not on the charts all that much imhv...but it's out there...synth and autotune the trend now, but it's out there...
Music's a divided kingdom right now lol.. (bow could I say music was a monster, what was I thinking?)
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Lastchancelance
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8/1/2023 11:52:43 AM
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Seems to me that computers killed rock. Why play it when you can push the button and say "I made that". Easier to impress the young ladies, and does not require years of practice only to disappoint your girlfriend with your new mix tape.... I see metal more as an angry response to all of it by people who actually put in the work!
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Richard Scotti
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8/1/2023 1:43:07 PM
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I don’t think rock was ruined by metal. No form of music is universally embraced by everyone. Art has become very segmented and it’s different strokes for different folks. Any genre of rock can still fill stadiums. There’s no shortage of fans devoted to all kinds of rock. People still follow the various iterations of the Grateful Dead. The different forms of rock can’t compete with one another. The only way to quantify popularity is through ticket and record sales and that would still not explain why one genre has surpassed
another in recognition. Some of it is clever branding and some of it is generational loyalty.
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Steve April
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8/1/2023 5:59:44 PM
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Good discussion, all...
Yo Lance, and I feel ya on the "touch of a button" issue, I recently began participating on a site with mostly youth (synth wave) music, and where spotify is the "thing," and what's popular apparently there (based on the charts both on the site and on spotify) are computer loops, a simple two chord loop goin' on and on, with zero variation, would take 15 minutes to compose...mostly to help people fall asleep apparently. Catch your zzzs, listen to this "artist." (apparently).
There's a metaphor there, but I dunno where???
Also, on the site I mentioned, two chord loops top the charts on occassion, based on listener reviews...
Go figure...
AI, gangsta rap, catchin' zzzs...
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Tom O'Brien
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8/3/2023 2:20:44 AM
I think the overall aim of music is to make you feel good. Most metal only makes me feel angry or anxious (as does most rap). But it must make some people feel good or it never would've developed.
Sometimes I think that we are all a bit starved for real emotion in our society. Feeling adrenaline can be confused with feeling good, especially if we're not used to feeling good. A lot of troubled people seem to glom on to metal because they would rather feel the adrenaline than emptiness. I, myself, was a Husker Du fan when I was younger, and I know that was all about adrenaline rushes.
It's only in the last century that we've had the power to adjust the volume of the music we listen to. I went through a loud phase earlier on, when I was a crazy kid. Loudness is a part of metal. It's part of rock''roll. Some of it would sound silly played quietly.
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Lastchancelance
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8/3/2023 2:30:16 AM
Yeah, just look at the overall top ten on Spotify. Completely globalized, synthesized, and impossible to do without a computer. Billboard charts, the streaming services, all mostly the same in that regard in a lot of cases. Now AI will just churn it out for each listener on text prompts. The distributers will take over and eliminate most of the big tables, as it's a global market.
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Larree
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8/3/2023 2:25:00 PM
So true, Tom. Some music has to be loud - especially when you want to share it with the neighbors!
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Paul groover
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8/3/2023 8:20:59 PM
I come from the reel to reel age i had a Revox A77. We had diddy bands but i was learning about how to record sound properly. I actually sold the Revox to buy a computer. I regret it now but i knew the days of tape machines were done or were they?.
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Lastchancelance
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8/3/2023 11:40:49 PM
When I was in College at UCSD I had a professor who said, "The computer will replace the pinnacle of western music's most influential instruments in the development of composition, arrangement, orchestration, recording, and writing music". That was in the 70's at UCSD's Center for Music Experiment. It's already happened.
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Tom O'Brien
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8/8/2023 2:53:37 AM
Actually, new wave killed rock, or at least put it into a coma until Kurt Cobain single-handedly revived it.
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Duane Flock
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8/8/2023 9:10:04 AM
Music is in the ear of the beholder.
My parents played and performed music, so I was around it from day one. They fancied "old school" country / bluegrass, etc.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree in a sense of picking up ability, but as personal choice, I liked Rock. In high school you were either a beatles fan, or beach boys. (so. Calif.) Teens it was all top 40. Playing live in bands top 40 and a few progressive rock tunes mixed with Heavy Metal. Most bands I was in didn't consider writing their own material. They just wanted notoriety, beer, girls, and what little cash we got.
Metal was OK, but I wanted to be like the best. Fusion and Jazz. Excellent top-notch musicians like Russ Freeman (Rippingtons) or Steve Morse (Dregs). They wrote every piece of music for all of the instruments down to the note. So, for me music is creativity and ability. I like most all genres. Don't care much for screaming into a mic so loud that you can't understand the words, or just a beat and someone talking shit and bad rhymes.
Music evolves with tastes and trends. It's in the ear of the beholder.
Cheers,
D.
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Mike Lance
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8/8/2023 6:03:27 PM
In mining, metal breaks a lot of rocks.
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