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Black Mask Special
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7/16/2020 1:14:52 PM
Punk Genre - Is it really what it is or something else.
Many of you would agree that I listen to everything here at IMP and find a place for everything on my stations
When it comes to Punk, for some reason I can hear a Folk version most of the time.
Would I be correct in thinking that Punk starts off as Folk.
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Francesca Tamellini
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7/16/2020 2:08:14 PM
I don’t follow. Can you give an example?
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Black Mask Special
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7/16/2020 3:40:28 PM
OK Francesca, it's just that I'm listening to a punk song but it translates as humming a folk song in my head. I doubt that this would answer you're question but then again I'm the one looking for an answer. It's as if most punk songs have a folk version. I'm trying to see if my thinking is correct.
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Stoneman
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7/16/2020 6:03:01 PM
There are so many variations of punk these days that I am not sure I know what Punk is supposed to sound like anymore. It has become as undefinable as Hip-Hop and R&B. I mean, there are artists that sound like country music to me who claim they are doing soul music. It always rankles my nerves because I know what soul music is supposed to sound like and that's not it. But then, I see a country artist on one of those singing competitions and the judges all say that they sounded so soulful. It always makes me cringe when I see that because soulful don't sound like that to me either. The whole bastardization of genres has been a slow moving definitive change in the industry that has left several genres searching for an identity. I wish I could help but I am not even sure that Punk artists know what they are supposed to sound like anymore. Maybe some Punk artists will see this and respond. Much Respect, Stoneman
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Father Time
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7/16/2020 6:33:49 PM
yes the 2 are related. It comes down to a choice of style. I have a song called 300 Million, about guns in the US, If I strummed an acoustic guitar and slowed it down a little it would be a folk song, if I speed it up with electric guitars and fast drums, it's a punk song.
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Mike Lance
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7/16/2020 10:50:41 PM
The simplicity and attitude are things they have in common. Having basic chord progressions kind of locks them into similar vibes, although punk was not initially inspired by folk to my knowledge. The Ramones were trying to go back to 60s pop style in response to the highly technical prog movement.
Traditional folk music was basically the punk rock of its time. The songs of the people. Anyone could sing them.
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Mike Lance
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7/16/2020 10:56:39 PM
It's no surprise they blend so well together. There was a time when I felt bands like The Pogues and Flogging Molly were the height of musical achievement (outside of classical and jazz).
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The Mighty Jerkules
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7/17/2020 10:37:27 AM
---- Updated 7/17/2020 10:42:15 AM
Punk rock is pretty well defined by it’s simple structure and stripped down nature. While some of the more hardcore sub-genres may not translate well into a slowed down state a lot of the more melodic sub-genres such as pop punk due to to their simple chord structure and focus on melody. I find that with these types of songs they can have an entirely different identity when slowed down and de-punked. (yeah I know that’s not a word) The same happens in reverse. In the 90s “punk covers” were a pretty trendy thing where a band would take a popular song speed it up and translate it into power chords.
It’s not folk but I’ve slowed down songs by my old punk bands and while it’s essentially the same song the feeling is completely different. As I learned from Two Silo Complex covering Butterfly Typhoon if you approach a song from a different perspective it will reveal a new layer of it’s identity to you. In this transformation the song gains a new face and becomes more than the sum part of it’s chord progression, tempo and melody.
I guess what I’m saying is punk can be anything and anything can be punk. (Well plenty of things anyway) There’s a soul to music that transcends genre. If you’re really listening (And I can tell you are) you can hear the dance song in the thrash metal tune, the reggae in the rock song and certainly the folk in the punk rock song.
If anyone would be interested to hear below is a pop punk song I wrote at age 16 and a rather different acoustic recording from about 7 years ago. The acoustic one is rather low fi and the punk song was ripped from a cassette tape that managed to survive since the mid 90s so audiophiles you’ve been warned. ??
Secret Weapon - Cragmatic Pope (1995 -age 16)
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=116110&ArtistID=65807
Secret Weapon - Shane Willard (2013)
http://indiemusicpeople.com/songs.aspx?SongID=91640&ArtistID=59328
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Chris Hance
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7/17/2020 11:46:11 AM
On my asking "what is Punk?" a learned woman once said to me, "Punk, is without uniform".
I think, Iggy and The Stooges, MC5, Dead Boys, are in my head when I hear Punk, it's something about the attitude of the music, and Folk can echo Punk when it comes to "getting it up the man",
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The Mighty Jerkules
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7/17/2020 12:07:20 PM
“Punk is without uniform”. I like that.
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Black Mask Special
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7/17/2020 12:47:36 PM
Well, all of this is interesting.
It makes for a good read and listen wich confirms my thoughts on the matter.
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Desperado Revue
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7/17/2020 1:04:07 PM
Added "Secret Weapon" to "Desperado Folks", already have it on "Desperado Road Kill'.
That song is the perfect example of what I am talking about.
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Richard Scotti
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7/17/2020 5:56:58 PM
I’ve always felt that the Sex Pistols nailed the punk thing with great skill and passion. The songs, the vocals, the lyrics, the explosion of sound and fury left an indelible mark on the history of punk.
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