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Holo Lukaloa
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7/4/2009 3:07:35 AM
Sarah Palin bails on the state of Alaska
What a shock that she wouldn't even follow through and complete her term.
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Beth Fridinger
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7/4/2009 7:42:45 AM
I saw her talking on youtube. She looked like she was freaking out....
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Chris Hance
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7/4/2009 10:51:10 AM
I suppose its a thankless task to set ones self up to be a scapegoat
Is jumping the right thing though, ???
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/5/2009 5:04:48 AM
No Larree, Palin couldn't even handle questions from Katie Couric about what her reading material is. She was incompetent to even be governor, and she proved now how much she cared about Alaska. She is a phony and not a very smart one.
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AnigmaS
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7/5/2009 2:44:09 PM
Wow.
...So, I guess that when Senator Obama "bailed" after proving how much he cared about Illinois by spending his time in office campaigning for President he was'nt a phony, because that was somehow different, right?
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/6/2009 12:20:43 PM
Don't be an idiot. One left for the highest office in the world, the other left because "it's not too fun to be a lame duck", after proclaiming her devotion to Alaska hundreds of times in public.
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Jesse Adams
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7/7/2009 2:20:29 AM
Dude, that's the best thing Palin ever did for Alaska. Sssshhhhhhhh....
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Reality Check
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7/7/2009 8:16:47 AM
Must be a good feeling that this non-stop media gang rape of Sarah Palin that you are a part of has finally paid some dividends eh Holo? I wouldn't celebrate quite yet though.
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/7/2009 8:35:50 AM
Poor Sarah, she's a victim
of her own stupidity!
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LyinDan
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7/7/2009 4:41:12 PM
I thought this was about Sara Palin's balls. I was sort of interested in that.
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never never band
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7/7/2009 4:54:31 PM
""So, I guess that when Senator Obama "bailed" after proving how much he cared about Illinois by spending his time in office campaigning for President he was'nt a phony, because that was somehow different, right?""
who was that other senator in that race?
John ...Some thing or other?...Oh yea McCain!
I posted this on another bored but it bears repreating..
you're all so full of shit when you do this Letterman thing, and whats worse you know it!!
David was talking about Bristol, a 19 year old single mother who got knocked up in Sarahs house and now goes on the road preaching ABSTINENCE ONLY EDUCATION!!!
By All means MOCK HER!!!
she deservers to be the object of ridicule as does her idiot, creationist, gun slinging ding bat mother!
But of course you all have to pretend the joke was about this younger daughter, (who no one even knows)But we all grew up watching David Letterman, we know he's not like that, the guy got fed a joke by his writers that backfired. It wasn't even a good joke and would have been forgotten in 5 minuets, but sarah latched on to it like a great white latches on to a baby seal because shes an attention whore and will do or say anything for a headline.
Leave the kids out of it?
BRISTOL IS NOT A KID!! JUST ASK THE GUY WHO FATHERED HER BABY!!!!!!
She does talk shows, she voices a political position on the national stage!
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never never band
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7/7/2009 7:07:45 PM
I'm completely ok with the relentless attack on Sarah and her homophobic, pray the gay away creationist gun nut ideals!!!!
people like her incite the racist, hateful mouthbreathers among us and would do anything to create a religious nation based on some of the most backwards and dangerous ideas to ever disgrace our national conversation.
she should be mocked and minimalized at every opportunity.
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/7/2009 7:10:54 PM
I agree. It's all of us who would've been victims if she became president. She is a thin-skinned fool who deserves to be in the dunk tank. Everytime she blames the media for her own failings she should go into the drink.
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Jesse Adams
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7/7/2009 11:16:52 PM
This is America baby. If you parade around in public like an idiot, you're going to hear about it.
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Reality Check
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7/8/2009 6:53:27 AM
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"I'm completely ok with the relentless attack on Sarah and her homophobic, pray the gay away creationist gun nut ideals!!!!
people like her incite the racist, hateful mouthbreathers among us and would do anything to create a religious nation based on some of the most backwards and dangerous ideas to ever disgrace our national conversation.
she should be mocked and minimalized at every opportunity."
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Of all the above charges made you yourself are the most guilty of such relative debased conduct. Your thought process is driven by envy and hatred and that is the most backwards and dangerous mentality among humankind. And your public incitement of more attacks against Sarah Palin clearly demonstrates just how debased your thinking is not to mention the potential danger you are to the rest of society if they don't conform to your narrow-minded and twisted world view. You sir, truly need help.
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/8/2009 7:29:39 AM
Sarah couldn't take the heat at all. She set women politicians back 10 years being such a crybaby bimbo.
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never never band
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7/8/2009 8:14:49 AM
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so, you think that Sarah should be allowed to spew her nonsense unhindered?
A woman who attempted to remove science books from the local library for referencing evolution?
A woman whose pastor does "pray the gay away" faith healing?
She's a dangerous woman, anti science, homophobic, abstinence only sex ed. She's said she opposes "explicit sex education" meaning sex ed that talks about contraception..(( pitty Bristol didn't have a bit more education along those lines)
she refuses to call abortion clinic bombers "terrorists", making it clear that she has no idea what domestic terrorism is. It's this refusal to accept that far right radicals are indeed terrorists. Thats scary.
she supports Israels right to bomb Irans nuclear facilities, Indeed she says we have no right to second guess anything Israel might to to "defend itself" . tis is a very shallow stance, Israel constantly ignores UN resolutions and their new leadership is openly trying to create a racially segregated state by trying to drive the 20% of the population that is arab out of the place. This is a dangerous time in that area and clear heads are needed, not some bimbo who cow tows to the Israel lobby in hopes of gaining power and damn the consequences.
Most of all worry that she has no concept of the seperation of church and state.
I'm an atheist, I don't want ANY fairy tales and indefensible metaphysical assertions guiding our state policy EVER!!
Sarah says..
""the people of Alaska should “get right with God,” and that the war in Iraq reflects "God’s will", """ Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show.
she also said " "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,""
what the fuck is that??
What if I said "I think the tooth fairy is talking to me and telling to to drill for oil""???
she's notoriously vindictive.
she's shocking uninformed about the world....
I cant imagine where your coming up with "envy", my opposition to her is complete and resolute and is based on her stated policies.
I consider Religion to be the most dangerous and destructive force on the planet and anyone who would blur the separation of church and state is an incredibly dangerous individual, as we should the able to see from the various states in the world that are run along religious principles. (Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc..)
I also have family members and dear friends who are Gay and her positions on same sex marriage and the basic civil rights of gays are horrifying.
Non-support of anything but traditional marriage. (Oct 2008
Vetoed bill denying benefits to gays, as unconstitutional. (Aug 2008)
Marriage only be between and man and a woman. (Nov 2006
Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples. (Aug 2006)
No spousal benefits for same-sex couples. (Jul 2006)
Top priorities include preserving definition of “marriage”. (Jul 2006)
she believes that Market Forces should guide our national health care, in other words she thinks that healthcare is not a government issue. her Biggest concession is a $5000 tax credit for people to buy insurance, which is just dumb and short sighted. Nearly all of her positions are like this, she seems to very little capacity for deep thought.
so you see Reality Check, My opposition to her is logical and essential given my values and social positions and political views.
You on the other had rail against me with no logical content, your response to me is entirely emotional, which is fine I suppose, but it doesn't really add to the discussion.
Frater P.
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Reality Check
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7/8/2009 3:23:37 PM
Look weirdo, there is no science that backs the theory of evolution but instead an intolerant secular-humanist religious devotion to a theory that is rife with fraud with the sole intent of attacking people who believe differently about the origins of man.
And as far as your obsession with indoctrinating other people's children into adult behavior, there no science behind that either. This issue had always been dominated by perverts and predators, Alfred Kinsey being among the worst of the degenerates and anyone who finds it necessary to impose this abuse on children should be reported to local authorities and kept under surveillance IMHO, this type of education, this open for socialpaths to other people's children should be closed forever.
And I think your obsession of a country that occupies less than 3% of the entire Mid-East is just another example of how unhinged your logic really is. You don't live there so you don't understand the reality of what it's like to know each day could be your last. Another example of your ceaseless stupidity.
In short, you're not the brightest bulb burning and I seriously doubt you've ever had an original thought in your entire existence. And your obsession and hatred for a woman who has never harmed anyone with the exception of a fat moose or two is truly very disturbing.. No one of sound mind cvould possibly think the way you do.
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never never band
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7/8/2009 5:00:37 PM
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HA HA HA HA!!!!
Sterling, is that you?
heh..
your are a card!
no science behind evolution huh? We're talking about he single greatest biological idea ever put forth, Perhaps the greatest thought of the past 2000 years.The light that dispels the racism, and nutty magical thinking of the dark ages once and for all and replaces it with a sound understanding of how life develops, the field that has bubbled over into cognitive science, sociology, ecology and given us a standard whereby we can finally measure and test ideas that before where relegated to the ignorance of Magical thought and Religious thought. The only people who who don't accept the idea of natural selection at this point are creepy, culty religious nuts.
No science behind sex education?
I tell ya what, the Perverts and Predators, the mentally ill creepy uncles and catholic priests you pretend to worry about will keep molesting children until children can be taught about sex, their bodies and appropriate touch etc. And young girls will continue to have abortions from accidental pregnancies until they and their horny boyfriends are given serious explicit education about sex, whats safe, how to enjoy it without putting yourself and others at risk. Not to mention learning what is sex and what is rape and how does a young person protect themselves. Religion is the only thing that keeps this from happening because once again we have Religious thought that is contrary to our biological natures, animals have sex, and the human animal and many others have sex for pleasure, not just procreation. These urges start at a very young age THIS IS NATURAL, but dangerous behaviors develop when we have all sorts of guilt and shame involved.
Really I'm not writing this for you because I dont think you're intelligent enough to understand it, you are indoctrinated into some dark ages magical thinking nonsense in a creepy culty sort of way and without drastic intervention I doubt you'll ever be able to have serious intelligent thought again. However, many people read this board so I like to make myself as clear as I can.
It's you who the fringe, and your silly toothfairy worship is slowly being replaced by the light of science and the natural goodness of humanity. If there were any way to hasten the process I'd dedicate my life to it.
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LyinDan
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7/8/2009 5:12:25 PM
Look weirdo
;)
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never never band
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7/8/2009 5:34:16 PM
HA HA!!
thats pretty strong language there buster.
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Reality Check
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7/8/2009 7:50:42 PM
Zero proof for Evolution and statistical evidence proves that children growing up in a Catholic environment, (schools, church, ect.) are 100 times less likely to be harmed than in a public school environment which fell on deaf ears the last time that evidence was presented to you. The fact is you are a deeply prejudiced person who could care less about the welfare of abused children unless that awards you opportunity to attack the Catholic Church, which might also explains your hostility to Sarah Palin as well since she was Catholic at one time.
In a word Panick you're an idiot. You don't have any real thoughts or beliefs, just an idealogical base for you to spew your hatred against people who are different from you, end of story.
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Diane Hulfnagel
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7/8/2009 9:46:32 PM
This is off topic but that's pretty much the rule here so I'll add my two cents. One of the posters here has obviously gone off his meds and is in a manic phase. It ain't pretty!
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/8/2009 9:56:31 PM
Diane!! You haven't shown your face around here since posting a number of polls that said McCain/Palin were going to win. You're a sore loser.
You aren't still going to try to tell us you'd want the laughable dingbat who can't take ANY heat to be president, are you?
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Diane Hulfnagel
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7/8/2009 10:00:58 PM
Well they would have if it hadn't been for that darn financial meltdown...
And I wasn't talking about you Holo. You are just doing what you do. You are consistent at least!
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/8/2009 10:08:41 PM
Scott bellowed out
HA HA HA HA!!!!
Sterling, is that you?
heh..
your are a card!
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hey Scott, Gregg Kozuchowski is his actual given name if that is the same one who had his band as Sterling30 or whatever it was called
and indeed it Reality (Ass of you and me Check) Check seems to be spewing the same old garbage as usual, just cant resist
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/8/2009 10:12:04 PM
I didn't think you were talking about me but you haven't been around for 8 months, you need to explain why you turned tail like you did. :>)
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Diane Hulfnagel
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7/8/2009 10:57:47 PM
Ha ha, no I won't bite on that obvious bait!
But I will comment on the topic. I was puzzled and a little disappointed.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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7/8/2009 11:11:20 PM
"statistical evidence proves that children growing up in a Catholic environment, (schools, church, ect.) are 100 times less likely to be harmed than in a public school environment "
My best friend went to a Catholic School, I went to public school. We were in a band that played his school often.... The Catholic Girls were just plain nasty... in the best way :) Damn that was fun. ... :)~
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never never band
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7/8/2009 11:29:30 PM
Diane!!!
I missed you!
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still got a red t-shirt for if you ever decide to go native!!!
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never never band
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7/8/2009 11:29:32 PM
Diane!!!
I missed you!
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still got a red t-shirt for if you ever decide to go native!!!
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never never band
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7/8/2009 11:32:50 PM
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ya see, you got me so worked up I'm double posting!
seriously though, it's great to see you on the board here!!
And Holo, you be a gentleman to Diane or I'll turn you into toad and feed you to my cat
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/8/2009 11:38:40 PM
you can say that again!,
as lyin' dan would say
and you have those powers Scott,wow,.eye am impressed
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Jesse Adams
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7/8/2009 11:47:13 PM
Todays pish posh brought to you by...
POLITICS
Bringing people closer together one candidate at a time.
:)
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never never band
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7/9/2009 12:21:52 AM
awe, it's just like old times...
:)
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/9/2009 12:30:54 AM
bring it on
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/9/2009 1:21:05 AM
We'll see if Diane can comport herself like a lady. :>)
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Reality Check
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7/9/2009 6:33:42 AM
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I think it's a pretty safe bet that this thread alone is evidence enough that evolution has never happened in the past and will not happen anytime in the near future but wtf...
http://www.chick.com/bc/1987/evolution.asp
"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact." (Dr. T.N. Tahmisian. Atomic Energy Commission, The Fresno Bee, August 20, 1959.
"One is forced to conclude that many scientists and technologists pay lip-service to Darwinian theory only because it supposedly excludes a Creator." (Dr. Michael Walker, Senior Lecturer in Anthropology, Sydney University, quoted in Quadrant, October, 1982.)
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School Sex Ed fraud (This is who's work you really are furthering by supporting this wholesale stupidity..)
http://www.amazon.com/Kinsey-Sex-Fraud-Indoctrination-People/dp/091031120X
(Read the reviewers comments and maybe buy the book to and take the time to actually become educated on the subject.)
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Let's see.., what did I forget??? Oh yeah... The practice of slandering and persecuting Catholic Priests and robbing the Church didn't begin in just the last 20 years.. Quite a tradition you fools have carried forward.., you should all be very proud of yourselves..
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0033.html
"It was clear from Mueller’s documentation that clergy were being singled out for ridicule, humiliation and punishment. The famous ‘Currency’ and ‘Immorality’ trials which peaked in 1935 and 1936, resulted in the imprisonment and fining of hundreds of clergy.
The ‘Immorality’ trials sought to destroy the reputation of Catholic religious, aimed in particular at those working in primary and secondary schools. Priests, monks, lay-brothers and nuns were accused of “perverted and immoral” lifestyles — euphemisms for homosexuality and paedophilia. The Gestapo set numerous traps in order to furnish bogus evidence. The New York Times carried a report in May 1936 describing priests who had been summoned to hotel rooms after desperate messages to administer the last sacraments were received. When the priest entered, the ‘caller’ would turn out to be a prostitute, planted by government agents. Photos would be later produced in court as irrefutable evidence of corruption. "
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never never band
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7/9/2009 7:07:36 AM
HA HA HA HA!!!
you demented little pixie worshiper....
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Beth Fridinger
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7/9/2009 8:56:53 AM
Well this is a heated thread....yykes
Well I agree with this statement:
"I consider Religion to be the most dangerous and destructive force on the planet and anyone who would blur the separation of church and state is an incredibly dangerous individual, as we should the able to see from the various states in the world that are run along religious principles. (Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc..)"
I would HATE to live in a country that has religion as the law...what has been going on in Iran is heartbreaking....I can't imagine not having the freedom to choose your religion or lack of it, the freedom to walk down the street as a woman not covered from head to toe with robes because oh....god forbid....some man might think you are pretty...in Iran they get tickets from the police if they show too much hair...the freedom to speak up and the freedom to protest...people are being murdered in the street by the "religious" government for speaking up about what they feel was a stolen election.
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never never band
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7/9/2009 4:09:40 PM
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yes!
I know people who maintain a belief in God, or at least keep the possibility open and it really seems to enrich their lives.
But more often, Far more often religion is used not to make your life better but to make other peoples lives worse.
And thats really the horror of our situation, there are literally thousands of Gods that have been imagined or postulated by humans and they all have rules, and these rules invariably demonize some other class of people who either believe in a different god or none at all.
We use God as an excuse to be horrid to each other.
And so we take no responsibility for the pain we visit upon each other.
God wants us to fight the Infidel!
God wants us to burn that witch!
God has decided what Marrriage means and God says two Men cant be in love and spend their lives together with the same protections as a man and a woman.
Gad says you cant play with your weenie!!!!!
God wants us to crash these planes into your skyscrapers!
we're being attacked by the tooth fairy!!!
science has looked for God and found the idea lacking any real logical merit and so now God is waging a war on science!!!
But of course it's not really God thats doing any of this
ITS US!!!!
I can be an asshole sometimes, but at least I dont pass my behavior off on some metaphysical code of ethics from some book of incantations supposedly written by a supernatural being.
If I disagree with you, It's ME arguing with you, I take full responsibility.
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Sly Witt
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7/9/2009 5:41:51 PM
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Your arguments against evolution are laughable at best.
I'm an agnosticly inclined 'anti-religion' believer in a Higher Power, or as I like to say, God as I don't understand Him, Her, or It. Might be the power of Love, might be an old man on a throne, might be some quantum thingamebob that we'll never find, might be some weird part of our brains. I DO believe that there's SOMETHING based on experience. Whatever, I digress....
I cannot for the life of me understand why folks can't see that there's NO contradiction between evolution and belief in (a) God.
I'll use a musical metaphor. Any idiot can hit every key on a piano at the same time. The beauty of musical creation is the way it develops over time. That's the art in it.
Why do so many of you religious folk treat God like a moron? I'm a hell of a lot more impressed with who/whatever set out the rules of the Universe so that something like evolution can happen than some guy with a magic wand plopping it all down in 6 days.
I have NO idea where they got the one scientist that you claim 'proves' there's no evolution but I'd dare say that the enormous preponderance of evidence is that it does exist. Leaning on such ridiculous sources makes your other claims about your religion quite suspect. It's that mentality that makes it SO difficult for folks like me to try and be openminded about your 'organized religion'.
ps. A quick internet search showed that your 'professor' was never Director of the French National Center of Science Research, which begs the question, 'how much else in that statement is pure fabrication?'.
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Holo Lukaloa
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7/9/2009 5:46:16 PM
The one known as Reality Check is just trying to change the subject because he is so consumed with Sarah Palin that he wants to steer the topic off her, for her welfare.
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Reality Check
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7/9/2009 10:09:25 PM
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"The one known as Reality Check is just trying to change the subject because he is so consumed with Sarah Palin that he wants to steer the topic off her, for her welfare."
Wrong Idiot #1. Your 2nd in command feels that Palin's Faith in a higher power, her willingness to stand up to the pro-evolution thugs and perverts who abuse children behind the veil of sex-education is somehow a threat to Americans in general when in reality she is taking a stand against these real dangers that exist now. This is pretty mainstream stuff for normal people.. You have to be normal first to understand that of course..
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/9/2009 10:14:17 PM
Reality Check is so thoughtful and considerate calling people idiots, how kind
such respect , you are one piece of work Gregg
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Reality Check
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7/10/2009 2:08:48 PM
You're so right Bryon. It's perfectly normal for the media and every leftist whacko to still be in full attack mode against a woman who was a vice-president candidate in an election that ended 8 months ago..
Yes sir Bryon, perfectly normal...
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/10/2009 3:11:30 PM
R.C.
Sarah Palin is reaping what she deserves.
Anyone who takes up the challenge for public office should avoid bringing their religion into the mix or ram their belief systems down other peoples throats. The other thing we seem to be missing here is when you step in to the position of political office you better brace yourself for the piercing arrows and attacks from all sides when you make decisions or make comments , you better be wary of what you say and how you say it.
Once you are in a position of authority there are higher expectations and as a public servant you are obviously under the microscope and every move you make is going to be monitored..
Palin made the choice and accepted the position to be the running mate to McCain which elevated her into the public limelight and she wilted under the spotlight the public and media critique. She was not prepared to handle what came her way just because she did not have the underpinning and strength required to endure all of the onslaught in regards to her belief system.as well as some of the bonehead moves she made..She just did not measure up to the stature and composure and intelligence as that of Obama.who prepared himself for years readying himself for the position he wanted and achieved.
..She may improve over time. but she just did not have the right stuff and folded like a house of cards because she did not have the background and was not properly prepared and evidently wilted and collapsed under the pressure. she is kinda the seed that was scattered on the unfertile soil or cast upon the rocks. or perhaps did not have enough soil to support her aspirations...
...She could learn a lot by studying, reading, immersing herself more in understanding what goes on in world affairs and develop herself as a more effective individual by reading about some of her peers like Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi, women who possessed a great deal of wisdom, understanding and intelligence as well as having the strength and character to follow through with making some hard choices , sometimes choices that not always ones that were readily accepted
They had the wherewithal which enabled them to run their respective countries and make decisions based upon common sense. Sarah Palin needs to develop more depth of character and improve the breadth of her understanding of the world, become more insightful and improve her knowledge base and increase her ability to communicate more effectively about things that matter, not just bluster
Sarah Palin has made some poor choices and decisions and now is reaping the consequences, she aspired to be something she could not ever be..not that she cant get there sometime in the future, (unlikely) she just did not educate and prepare herself for the task at hand.
The other thing is leave religion out of the picture..that is not going to work or resonate with a lot of people in this day and age
So I say to you Walk the Walk just dont talk the talk....she talked and did not walk..
Sometimes serving quietly is the best way to go, She opened her mouth and the rest is history...
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Reality Check
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7/10/2009 3:46:54 PM
Two references to religion in your rambling diatribe, I think you need to become a bit more well-read Bryon..
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1650.htm
"Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to John Thomas et al., 1807. ME 16:291
"In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object." --Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808. ME 16:317
"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted." --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815. ME 14:283
"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:382
"The rights [to religious freedom] are of the natural rights of mankind, and... if any act shall be... passed to repeal [an act granting those rights] or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right." --Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. (*) ME 2:303, Papers 2:546 "
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/10/2009 4:03:43 PM
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RC
point taken Gregg. you may say what I presented is a diatribe, but at least it is a point of view and presented in a coherent understandable manner. I am a teacher, so I have to be able to present material in a well structure way, which I thought I did,
you apparently did not like what was presented, that is ok, we all have our opinions
I am always reading,have been immersed in various religious interests , but I have insight and just dont quote from text as you have just done and google up something here or there and copy and paste..I could do that too
I would rather use the mind I have to say something useful.
I do consider myself fairly well read. and sure there are things I dont know and am always trying to develop and expand the breadth and depth of my own understanding of things . and I appreciate all the info you presented and will investigate your ideas further
i am always learning...even from you! thanks for this I love to challenge people and obviously have you responding , so that is good, perhaps we both can acknowledge each others point of view and accept with consideration and respect
Through Knowledge comes understanding
Through Understanding comes Wisdom
Through Wisdom comes Love (agape)
Thanks for your research Gregg and quotes btw
bryon
ps...I will not be drawn into a pissing war with you..some discussion about this subject in a point -counterpoint way with respect and acknowledging each others points of view.is important , not putting someone down like you need to become more well read, that is kinda saying you are stupid in a way, or calling someone an idiot like you did to holo.if you start getting into the name calling thing I will not respond. That just shows lack of respect and is condescending as well
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never never band
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7/10/2009 4:21:25 PM
Jefferson was a deist, indeed he was nearly and atheist and may well have been an atheist.
The religious right has been trying to re write history for years when it comes to jefferson, they hope (probably correctly) that they can just say anything and no one will check the facts or actually read Jeffersons writing.
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
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LyinDan
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7/10/2009 4:23:58 PM
"Reply to John Thomas"
I talk to mine all the time, too. Usually, it's "Down, boy!" Jefferson must have had the same problem, from all reports.
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Bryon Tosoff
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7/10/2009 4:28:30 PM
hahaha Lyin dan you, you funny dude hahaha
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