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negative tendencies
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4/11/2020 10:11:03 AM
corona
The roads are empty and the parks are bare
Except for the grocery store
A long line at the Walmart today
The toilet paper shipment came
It’s Twilight Zone in America
We all best stay inside
A few weeks ago they called it a hoax
Turns out, of course, again they lied
Don’t blame it on China - It’s all on you
You couldn’t handle shit
A bunch of people are gonna die
Cause you made light of it
You needed the stocks to not crash down
As that would hurt your chances
Those weeks of hemming hawing
The corona realm advances
You trashed Obama's efforts
you petty fucking racist
You left the country so unarmed
and now, just endless cases
Now every day you stand up front
And dish new loads of horseshit
Dr Fowchi cringing
As you stupidly force it
Will this situation ever mellow down
We're needing a real president right now
We're needing a real president right now
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/11/2020 9:48:00 PM
lets be clear, if it was not for the Chinese Communist Party not being forthright and open about this terrible corona virus in the first place, hiding the fact it was terribly contagious and not being transparent our world would be a whole different place. those fkrs have caused a lot of death, grief , destruction ruin a lot of lives destroyed peoples livelihoods and tipped the scale of our economic world upside down, the other factor is the World Health Organization not stepping in soon enough and fking around sitting on their hands and not acting quick enough saying it was not an issue, there was no need to call it a epidemic, so we wait, then after some time they announce it was a pandemic, FFS, what a bunch of crooked corrupt money bought slimebags, I blame the leader of the WHO. how the hell did this guy Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus get elected to the position of leader ( he is not even a medical doctor) of this WHO, oh yeah, it is a corrupt fked up organization and screwed up as bad as the UN, that is another messed up commie organization. What kind of a crazy fkd up world do we live in where this rotten bass turds get into these positions, bottom line the Chinese Communist Party has a lot to answer for, for allowing this virus to get away like they did, bastards
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Stoneman
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4/11/2020 10:38:07 PM
Well, there is truly a lot of blame that can be thrown around at all sorts of people and organizations. But the bottom line is that we were not prepared for this even though we knew it was eventually coming. Mr. Trump fired our pandemic experts and then called the disease a democratic hoax. Meanwhile the contagion was percolating throughout the world and has ravaged us twice as hard as it should have. So, if you must assess some blame for the loss of lives, you clearly cannot leave out Trump and his lies. We could have been way more prepared and that clearly would have saved many more lives. Instead, the government continues to play catch up while the virus runs freely though out the nation. Well, they wanted a business man for president and now they see what happens when business and money takes precedence over the welfare of the people.
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Father Time
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4/12/2020 5:32:39 AM
Obama (or Hillary or Biden) would've listened to the warnings and the doctors and the US would've prevailed, instead we got stuck with the idiot and a resulting huge fiasco.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/12/2020 10:32:56 AM
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negative tendencies
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4/12/2020 11:55:55 AM
Not a game, Bryon, this idiot botched this up in every single way imaginable.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/12/2020 12:02:54 PM
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bonkers city
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/12/2020 12:13:24 PM
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wear a mask. see, I have mine where are yours, protect your own self dont rely on a leader. they are all dumb.
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Father Time
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4/12/2020 1:01:20 PM
some are more dumb than others.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/12/2020 1:04:03 PM
even here
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/12/2020 2:11:41 PM
we have to buckle down, deal with what is, its a war, that started overseas in some far flung land people who visited this place brought it here, and to the state below BC and off it went, like an out of control fire, the care homes are getting devastated ,that is the real tragic thing. I hope it dont get into my 97 yo dads critical care home. but people nurses, care givers move from one facility to the other, we are at war
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4/13/2020 1:34:39 PM
Scott's idiocy knows no boundaries.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/13/2020 7:15:17 PM
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Some people don't like facts.
Most people are so locked into a state of mind which is due to arrogance and ignorance, two things that prevent many from really growing their understanding. This type of attitude is one that has corrupted their thinking so they are totally incapable of evaluating and assessing other possibilities.
People who dismiss others suggestions or ideas shows that they have no ability to properly engage in an argument based upon facts and figures. They have no capability of digging deeper then where they feel comfortable in their own little world.
They live on the edge of knee jerk mentality. They rarely will venture out of their own little world of self delusion and rarely if ever investigate other possibilities outside of their own comfort zone.
This is unfortunate because they are so deeply entrenched in convincing themselves for so long that they are the only ones who could ever could be right and everyone else is wrong. Therefore they can never ever extricate themselves from their current deluded mental state due to the arrogant attitude they carry around .
People like this are so locked into their canister of hate, malice and avarice which in turn causes them to have immediate reactionary responses if anyone challenges or questions them.
This kind of attitude shows how incapable they are of dealing with reason, facts and logical thinking patterns. One has to have an open mind and be willing to evaluate possibilities if we are ever going to really grow and be capable of stepping into a whole different frame of perspectives.
As for the short fuse types, well many people like this have very shallow relationships.
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Father Time
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4/14/2020 1:59:29 AM
Anybody who has watched Trump's news conferences on COVID and doesn't realize how incompetent he is must be totally stupid.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/14/2020 1:00:54 PM
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CHINESE HAVE COVERED UP AND THE WHO DID THEIR BIDDING Coronavirus coverup is ‘China’s Chernobyl moment,’ warn 100 politicians, experts
say what you want, the real ENEMY ARE THE CHINESE AND THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY WHO HAVE CREATED THIS OBSCENE MESS.
Coronavirus coverup is ‘China’s Chernobyl moment,’ warn 100 politicians, experts
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4/15/2020 2:47:19 AM
Dear Lord.....
Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense
Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.
Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.
Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI), which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.
"The most frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines are all linked to vaccines."
In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.
In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.
South African newspapers complained, ‘We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.’
In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects, including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions, to 1,048 of the 5,949 children.
During Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Approximately 50 of the 500 children vaccinated developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.” Nelson Mandela’s former senior economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless and immoral.”
In 2010, when Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO, he said “We must make this the decade of vaccines.” A month later, Gates said in a TED Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population.” And, four years later, in 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade. Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines.
A 2017 study (Morgenson et. al. 2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP vaccine is killing more African children than the diseases it prevents. DTP-vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of children who had not yet received the vaccine. WHO has refused to recall the lethal vaccine, which it forces upon tens of millions of African children annually.
Global public health officials] say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.
Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation spends only about $650 million of its $5 billion dollar budget on these areas. They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.
In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, and PATH, Gates funds a private pharmaceutical company that manufactures vaccines and is donating $50 million to 12 pharmaceutical companies to speed up development of a coronavirus vaccine. In his recent media appearances, Gates appears confident that the Covid-19 crisis will now give him the opportunity to force his dictatorial vaccine programs on all American children – and adults.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/?fbclid=IwAR1o2iR7hBVUIRdrL3d5aRuTiHagzBj6l26bniB06zonrn2kCmw0YNJuJd4
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/15/2020 10:51:29 AM
The wickedness of these people is beyond any evil Trump has ever done, Gates is Dr Evil , the Chinese , so evil beyond description, The CCP is a twisted wretched and disgusting despicable government. THE WHO are culpable and bought and paid for covering this mess up and not coming clean about the depth and breadth and how horrible this Chinese plague is
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4/15/2020 12:47:06 PM
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Anyone paying attention knows the majority of Covid-19 deaths are from useless ventilators which hospitals can charge 3x over simple oxygen treatment. And most Covid-19 diagnosis are false positive not to mention all hospital deaths are being listed as Covid-19 due again to financial incentives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wn1qs_bBk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=
Do you know what the term "disease mongering" means? And could what happened to the measles also be happening with the common flu? I'll let this kind gentleman explain this phenomena to you..
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/15/2020 1:33:14 PM
Gregg you dont know what the F you are talking about, f Man, get that brick out of your brain it is blocking common sense from your mind getting any kind of intelligence inside of your supposed genius you think you possess . Not all the people have been on ventilators. get a grip on reality you are as bad as Scott is with your own derangement lol
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4/15/2020 3:03:03 PM
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I'm quite sure this doctor is a lot smarter than both of us Bryon..
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/15/2020 3:24:15 PM
I am not a doctor, Smart has noting to do with it Gregg, it is what one is chosen as their profession and I know my expertise, and am quite qualified in that area, you are obviously not a medical expert. stick with what you know videos seem to do nothing here, as no one watches them it means squat does nothing and no one cares
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4/15/2020 3:39:02 PM
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Well now, in the quest to prevent a 1 in 500,000 measles death ratio via vaccinations we have instead received an accelerated autism rate that may surpass 50% in the next 10 years, not to mention multi-billion dollar support industries to help those poor victims of our collective enlightenment born out of compassion & caring all once again, to prevent a 1 & 500,000 death rate due to possible complications from the measles... (But you have always been onto that now haven't you???)
Figure out what planet your living on Bryon.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/15/2020 5:28:40 PM
Gregg, have not you learned anything here? It is a place of knee jerk mentality, thinking does not enter into the question lol. and know one gives a rats ass what you and I post here, except the two maybe three others that show up, and that is sad , what else is sad is the lack of proper discussion and such, it is a matter of ones own belief system. you opinion aint worth jackshit ,nor is mine. take care man, no one watches your vids either,.no one cares
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4/15/2020 7:57:54 PM
Yes sir, the sky sure is falling..
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/15/2020 8:07:38 PM
he is a lunatic
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Father Time
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4/16/2020 12:49:30 AM
Trump himself praised China for its transparency.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736
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4/16/2020 12:53:15 AM
Where's my .95c freak?
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Bluto
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4/16/2020 1:19:44 PM
Listen jackass, I told you where to write if you have a problem.
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4/16/2020 2:47:02 PM
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"Listen jackass, I told you where to write if you have a problem."
Is this how you address someone who donated $50.00 just last summer when you were pleading poverty and panhandling for money? And if this site doesn't function as designed wouldn't I be doing you a service by making you aware of that Scott???
I'll have you know that my feelings are deeply hurt at the moment so I do believe a sincere & heartfelt apology is in order...
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/16/2020 3:11:09 PM
Yeah. Gregg .pretty pathetic rude behavior . But bullies have no real conscience .do act however they want here and IRL
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/16/2020 3:11:10 PM
Yeah. Gregg .pretty pathetic rude behavior . But bullies have no real conscience .do act however they want here and IRL
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4/17/2020 11:12:30 AM
Looks like I actually made 2 donations to this site last year. So I guess Scott-Bluto will be refunding these amounts since he is such a highly principled person or he can restore my account with an acceptable heartfelt apology so I can begin the healing process..
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Paul groover
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4/17/2020 12:38:38 PM
The Uk the government predicated 529000 people were going to die 2 weeks later it was 210000 now it is 40000. These so called leaders have sold more porky pies than a butchers shop. Now it seems that the lockdown is excabarating the problem.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2020 2:28:27 PM
lockdown, isolation is working here in BC we are leading the way because we jumped on it sooner then other jurisdictions and will be up and running as an economy sooner because of our leadership and health ministry working towards this current shutdown, it works and I am all for it
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Stoneman
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4/17/2020 6:16:20 PM
There is no evil as bad as Trump. He has personally bungled the entire virus fiasco. Remember in the beginning he claimed it was a democratic hoax. He did nothing becuase he did not believe it was real. More fake news to him you know? But then, all of a sudden he realizes that this threat is real and instead of taking ownership of his missteps he blames China, Who and even Obama (who has been gone for several years now) . Fairly typical tactic for Trump. He takes credit for shit he has nothing to do with and blames others for shit they had nothing to do with. Certain people are so enamored with all the BS that is Trump that they refuse to see him for what he truly is. A lying braggart who yearns to be King of a nation that has no monarchy. His lack of action caused the deaths of many Americans and we will not forget that shit on election night. You can try to spin it any way you want to Bryon but this man is worst than any contagion we will face. He is at the center of a deeper contagion. The contagion of hate that has ripped the very fabric of American life and threatens to lead us to civil war again. This man has no unifying qualities. He is bad karma in the flesh and that is why bad shit is coming at us. It will not get any better until we get rid of Mr. Trump and put him in the jail cell that he belongs in. Someday soon the flim/flam will be over and all of his nasty secrets will be revealed. It may not mean anything to his supporters because he is Jesus to them. But the rest of us? We follow the real God. The one who rules with empathy and compassion. Dump Trump he is just a lying chump!
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2020 6:23:52 PM
Huh wha . Spin twirl ?
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2020 6:44:05 PM
Stoneman my recent post applies to the province of british columbia where i live .. our leaders health authorities and minister of health nipped this one quick and have flattened the curve here thank goodness. So the request by them to stay at home social distance shutting the economy to a screeching halt at huge cost is working.
Now all i said the CCP. WHO did not act fast enough. I aint arguing over that fact cause it is obvious they mucked up gloriousily WHO incompetent as is the leader is . Tedros is a lousy leader of the WHO and China CCP has a lot to answer for. CCP covered up the seriousness of this contagion .anyways stay safe Stoneman take care us old farts have to be careful with this covid floating around. All the best and God bless
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2020 7:41:14 PM
FWIW. not to convince, but to show polls that find many people in the US distrust the Chinese Communist Party and the handling of this outbreak, which quite frankly should have been better controlled from their end, but they the CPP were not transparent and did not even listen to the doctors who had discovered this killer contagion.
In a recent poll, Americans reported bipartisan distrust of the Chinese government’s handling of the outbreak of the virus, commonly known as the novel coronavirus.
A Harris Poll survey conducted from March 14 to April 5 showed that 77 percent of Americans blame the CCP for the spread of the virus.
https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/j17063-QCovid-PropWtd-Tables-Wave6-6-05-Apr-2020v2.pdf
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Stoneman
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4/17/2020 9:20:47 PM
Well, that is nothing new. The communists have always been mistrusted by the American public. I mean, their communists, What's to trust about them? Saw my share of their tactics in Vietnam. Such a murderous and blood thirsty regime. There is some evidence that the virus was already here. But nobody can prove it so we go with whatever experts we choose to believe. I mean to say that democracies have not really proven themselves trust worthy either. There is no telling what secrets we are hiding. The truth may never be known. Such is life. Some things remain mysteries forever. But the blaring truths cannot be ignored. I heard the president say out of his own mouth that it was a democratic hoax and not a threat to us in any way. But nobody called him on his lies when he finally admitted that it was real. This is the America I live in now. A man can tell a bold face lie and be proven a liar and nobody cares. But Obama put on a Tan suit one day and they screamed bloody murder. What a pitiful state we are in. Double standards abound! Wreaks of institutional racism.
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2020 9:54:00 PM
well we have a left wing communist loving leader Prime Minister Trudeau who has totally lied and cheated and got caught numerous times doing things illegally
. Canada's PM Trudeau found guilty by ethics commissioner. Canada's ethics commissioner says Trudeau violated rules in his handling of the SNC-Lavalin corruption inquiry.
Plus there is more, he should have been booted out but French speaking Canada and Ontario gave him enough votes to get his lying POS government in again. the rest of the provinces mostly voted Conservative.
He needs to go as well. seems all countries have pinheads for leaders.with you there
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Bryon Tosoff
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4/17/2020 10:34:26 PM
Seems we have someone who squashes people into vapor here,....Boink Womp Boink Gregg goes bye bye ..really, ridiculous . get a grip ya out of control Doink
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Stoneman
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4/21/2020 12:36:11 AM
https://www.facebook.com/janet.panetta.5/videos/3649909415079954/?t=40
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Alfred3030
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4/22/2020 1:33:20 AM
Classic disease mongering, that's all that's happening.
Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus
https://www.stress.org/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-severely-overreacting-to-coronavirus
In an analysis published Tuesday, Stanford’s John P.A. Ioannidis — co-director of the university’s Meta-Research Innovation Center and professor of medicine, biomedical data science, statistics, and epidemiology and population health — suggests that the response to the coronavirus pandemic may be “a fiasco in the making” because we are making seismic decisions based on “utterly unreliable” data. The data we do have, Ioannidis explains, indicates that we are likely severely overreacting.
“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco,” Ioannidis writes in an opinion piece published by STAT on Tuesday.
“Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates — either on its own or because of these measures — short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable,” the statistician writes. “How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?”
The woefully inadequate data we have so far, the meta-research specialist argues, indicates that the extreme measures taken by many countries are likely way out of line and may result in ultimately unnecessary and catastrophic consequences. Due to extremely limited testing, we are likely missing “the vast majority of infections” from COVID-19, he states, thus making reported fatality rates from the World Health Organization “meaningless.”
“Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes,” Ioannidis explains. With very limited testing in many health systems, he suggests, that “selection bias” may only get worse going forward.
Ioannidis then zooms in on the “one situation” where “an entire, closed population was tested”: the Diamond Princess cruise ship’s quarantined passengers. While the fatality rate was 1.0%, he points out, the population was largely elderly, the most at-risk demographic. Projected out onto the age structure of the U.S. population, he calculates, the death rate is more like 0.125%, with a range of 0.025% to 0.625% based on the sample size:
Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.
“That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done,” Ioannidis stresses. “A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.”
For those who argue that the high fatality rate among elderly people indicates that the death rate cannot be as low as 0.05%, the professor notes that “even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.” (Read the full opinion piece here.)
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Stoneman
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4/23/2020 3:04:41 AM
It seems that we don't get the point. If it was only one death from the virus that would be too many for my comfort. You folks seem to think that the amount of deaths should dictate the response. So what is more appropriate for you? 1 million deaths and then we react? There is no disease mongering going on but there is a disease out there killing people both young and old. The fatality rate has no bearing on the pain of those who have lost their loved ones. Jeesh! I don't need no Stanford professor to tell me shit when my friends and family are dead. It's useless dribble after the fact. People need to stop being so goddamned selfish. This is not about a fucking rate. In Vietnam we mourned just as hard when we lost one soldier as we did when we lost 20. A loss is a loss and somebody needs to recognize that many losses bring enormous pain and suffering for many people. Yes, we already knew there were going to be some losses just as there are with most viruses of this type. Seems like there is a new one every year. But it would be irresponsible not to take the appropriate actions needed to mitigate the losses and flatten the curve. That also is sound science and not some political rant. The facts are that the virus is here. Now that it is here we either do nothing and watch it destroy us or we fight back with all of the knowledge and weapons we have available. Why is that so hard for some folks to understand? It may mean the loss of some freedoms we have come to expect but achieving vixctory over this crap is well worth it. A battle can only be won if we fight back and trust me, we are in one hell of a fight right now. Downplaying the whole thing will not make it go away. Ranting about a bunch of percentage points will not ease the pain of death for some those who have felt it. Winning is the only thing that counts in this battle. We either win or we lose. If we win, we get to go back to living our lives freely and unencumbered with masks, shutdowns, social distancing and fear. If we lose? Well, it is the fear of death that drives us to react. Some folks say there is nothing to fear and that death is a natural occurrence we all must face. To them I say, ok, then kill yourself fucker. If they kill themselves then they have proven that they truly believe that crap. If not, then they are perpetrating a fraud and have no credibility with me. Most of us over 70 know that death is surely creeping up on us. We know that one day we are going to get sick and lay down and die. But ain't none of us in a hurry to get there. I (for one) would like to avoid it as long as I can. If that means I have to take extra precautions because of a virus. So be it. No biggie!
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Alfred3030
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4/23/2020 5:08:38 AM
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What if the treatment is far worse than the disease? Death rates from ventilators are estimated at 80% in NYC while in Italy some estimate up to 97% of those put on ventilators have died while those now receiving oxygen therapy aren't having any of the same complications ventilators cause thanks to the brave ICU doctors who stepped forward and told the truth about their dangers at great professional risk.
And is it wise to allow some computer nerd who has a vested interest in vaccinations pursue an agenda of vaccinating 7 billion people after his earlier efforts increased polio 12x in India not to mention using the children of illiterate parents for HPV vaccine trials with similar disastrous results? We should trust a man that has publicly stated the purpose of mandatory vaccinations is to reduce population?
And then there's Dr. Anthony Fauci, America's doctor, who just happens to sit on the board of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and people think they know this guy?
Dr. Judy Mikovits knows Dr. Fauci.., yes she does.
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Alfred3030
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4/23/2020 5:51:22 AM
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines
"Jensen also reacted to Dr. Anthony Fauci's response to a question about the potential for the number of coronavirus deaths being "padded," in which the NIAID director described the prevalance of "conspiracy theories" during "challenging" times in public health.
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
And from Factcheck.org
"An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the “average Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 … was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.”
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Stoneman
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4/24/2020 4:01:49 AM
Jeesh!
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Stoneman
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4/24/2020 9:49:57 PM
Okay, so those of you who believe the man (Trump) to be truthful, go ahead and inject yourself with Pine-Sol. He claims it will work so go for it. Yep! That's what I thought. No takers! Proof that even you know that he is a Orange faced liar!
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Stoneman
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5/12/2020 2:26:37 AM
The real enemy is the disease and assessing blame is sort of a moot point now. The shit is out here wreaking havoc on our lives. Let us not get caught up in another bait and switch moment by the president. Yes, China is responsible for the onslaught of this mess. But no more so than we have been irresponsible in our initial response to the virus. If we must assess blame. Then, hmmmmm. Who fired the pandemic team? Who ignored both verbal and written warnings about the possibility of a pandemic and how to be prepared for it? Who lied and claimed it was all a democratic hoax? I won't write his name (as even doing that has become repulsive to me) but I think we all know who it was. I mean, if we are going to fairly assess blame then lets look at all the facts that we have and not a bunch of suppositions from sources not deemed reliable enough to indeed be factual. The causative story has changed so much from both the American and Chinese governments that I don't think anyone truly knows the truth except maybe those who were at ground zero when it started. But, even still, let us not lose sight of the real enemy. We must continue to wage a consorted and united battle front if we want to defeat this disease. Distractions of causative blame only pull our attention from the real fight we must face. The danger of causative blame is what we have been seeing lately. Scores of innocent Chinese people being shunned and/or attacked for no valid reason. I refuse to propagate or perpetrate the falsehoods of the American presidency. Rumors and innuendo are not facts. In this case they are simply little tales meant to deflect and divert attention from the real problems we face. The inept handling of this by the White house is what history will shine its darkest lights on. The blatant lies being told will be the narrative most will find idiotic (because people believe them) and disruptive because it divides the efforts of those working diligently to overcome this mess. Until now, never in history had any world leader advised people to ingest a poison as a cure for a disease. This amateurish lot must go!
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Larree
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5/13/2020 12:33:02 PM
Plenty of blame to go around. And we handled it poorly in the beginning. But @#$% the CCP. They are the ones who created this problem and they need to pay for it. But until then, I want my @#$%ed up government to pay me 3k a month tax free if they want me to sit home, smoke weed and drink, order takeout every day, and never see another festival concert ever again. @#$%ers. Pay up! Art of the Deal, mutha...
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Stoneman
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5/15/2020 2:02:16 AM
I heard that Larree. I'll take that deal also! But those punkassed mothafuckas only care about themselves and how to get richer than they already are. They already have a cure. That's why those fuckers are walking around with no masks on. They have already been inoculated. Trump is a draft dodging coward. No way he would walk around like that unless he was sure he was protected. They have got everyone fooled right now but eventually it will all come out. Watch and see. Evil is as evil does and that man is pure evil.
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Ladadee
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5/16/2020 10:25:59 AM
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Ladadee
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5/16/2020 10:36:31 AM
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5/16/2020 9:49:07 PM
ok Gregg, let me tell you upfront how it's going to work. You can pretty much post whatever you want, no matter how stupid, in this forum.
but if you take absolutely any of your horseshit to the main pipeline, you're gone.
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Ladadee
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5/17/2020 1:15:19 PM
What's wrong Scott? Is it the that the destruction of the entire middle class, an event you were cheering on just a few short weeks ago may be hitting a little too close to home for your comfort right now? Imagine the irony of yourself drooling over winning an election based on ruining the lives of millions of your fellow Americans not being so sweet when military troops kick down your door and forcibly vaccinate your stupid ass, how smart are you going to feel then?
Oh, and before I forget, you owe me $100, when am I going to see that?
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5/17/2020 3:43:25 PM
like I said, no matter how stupid.
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Larree
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5/21/2020 10:45:52 PM
I feel ya, Stoneman. These bastards have played us like a fiddle. Stay safe, brother!
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Alfred Gregg
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5/22/2020 10:38:01 AM
---- Updated 5/22/2020 11:05:23 AM
"They already have a cure. That's why those fuckers are walking around with no masks on. They have already been inoculated."
Actually Stoneman & Larry, Trump should have stayed with his gut on this from the beginning rather than getting played the way he did. People would have been inoculated naturally, the same way people gain immunity to every different version of the flu each and every year, and that would have been granted by their immune system though the elderly would have remained vulnerable as they always are when flu season arrives..
But if your waiting on a supposed "cure" Bill Gates is promising you, you may want to look into the matter of mandatory vaccinations a bit further. In short, we don't have to speculate what "gifts" mandatory vaccines bring Stoneman, we already know..
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