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Father Time
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8/26/2017 5:04:45 AM
A racist pardons a racist.
Go figure!
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JeffH
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8/26/2017 8:48:58 AM
Yeah that's some serious BS...
I won't go to the trouble of posting all of the BO or Bush pardons... like I said before they're all faqed up.
Presidents and their minions can justify this BS in their minds. And sleep just fine.
All hypocrites.
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Larree
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8/26/2017 11:35:05 AM
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Yeah, everyone is a fucking racist. Especially the fucking leftists who call all the white people racist, lol. Fuck politics. Politics makes people stupid.
Bottom line. Sheriff Joe is a dick. But Chelsea Manning was a traitor. And I didn't see too much outrage from the left over that pardon. So, thank you for showing us, once again, that you are just a leftist tool and a hypocrite.
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LyinDan
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8/26/2017 3:05:10 PM
Chelsea Manning performed a heroic action, demonstrating that we were, once again, not being told the truth about actions being performed in our name by our government. She did that at great cost to herself.
larree would apparently have everyone in government hold their voice concerning things that are simply not right by any moral standard. Our country, right or wrong. Amerika, fuck yeah! That's not something I support. Real Americans support American ideals, not the conniving scumbags that exist in our government structure to termite those ideals.
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Larree
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8/26/2017 3:27:13 PM
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lol, right.
And some people think sheriff Joe is a hero, too. It's all politics. And that makes all of it 100% pure BULLSHIT! :D
LOLOL
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Larree
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8/27/2017 10:30:37 AM
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Here. Just read this about one of President Obama's pardons.
"In one of the final acts of his presidency, Obama commuted the sentence of Oscar Lopez Rivera, a convicted terrorist. Rivera was a leader in a Marxist-Leninist militant group that used terrorism in the U.S. to pressure American lawmakers let Puerto Rico become an independent communist nation. The group committed more than 100 bombings in the U.S. and were responsible for many deaths.
Rivera was convicted in 1981. He was sentenced to 55 years in prison. He later had 15 years added to his sentence after he conspired to escape from prison. Former President Bill Clinton offered him clemency in 1999 on the condition that he renounced violence, but Rivera refused."
So, fuck your hypocrisy. Assholes. :D
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Father Time
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8/27/2017 4:20:01 PM
You're the hypocrite. When protesters block the freeway you cry about them breaking the law. Now Trump pardons a criminal who has no remorse and you defend it by crying Obama.
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LyinDan
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8/27/2017 5:17:22 PM
A more complete account of Lopez Rivera can be had from
Wikipedia
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Larree
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8/27/2017 5:57:03 PM
Man, do you leftists learn all your bullshit off of flash cards?
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Larree
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8/27/2017 6:24:35 PM
btw, have you hypocrites seen what is happening in Berkeley today? I think your precious leftist anti-(f)irst (a)mendment terrorists that you butt sniff from here to eternity belong in fucking GItmo. Fuck you for your retarded canned come back in advance.
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8/27/2017 6:52:03 PM
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Isn't Sherriff Joe only guilty of enforcing existing laws? Making prisoners wear pink uniforms might be unusual but I'm not sure it's cruel. Don't break the law and all will be well, I assume.
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Father Time
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8/27/2017 10:15:52 PM
criminal contempt
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LyinDan
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8/27/2017 11:25:46 PM
Arpaio was convicted of defying a judge's clear orders. The judge quoted his own public statements to convict him, basically, "I ain't lettin no feds or the gubner tell me what to do!"
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8/28/2017 3:48:05 AM
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Who elected the judge who gave that order??? And can any unelected official prevent an elected official from enforcing existing laws as the people elected him to do?
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LyinDan
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8/28/2017 2:33:53 PM
Do you understand the judicial branch of the U.S. government?
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8/28/2017 4:09:31 PM
"Judicial activism refers to judicial rulings that are suspected of being based on personal or political considerations, rather than on existing law. It is sometimes used as an antonym of judicial restraint."
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Father Time
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8/28/2017 9:30:03 PM
You aren't really defending this hick, are you?
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8/28/2017 10:04:41 PM
I may have met Sheriff Joe back in the day. I recall one day crossing Grand Ave in Phoenix and a couple of cop cars surrounded me and slammed me right across the trunk of one of the cars, lucky for me I didn't speak Spanish so it was a case of mistaken identity. Good cops just doing their job, said their apologies and moved on, it was no big deal..
I think someone who has spent 55 years of his life risking his own life daily in defense of the public isn't someone I would casually call a hick FT. He's a better man than you, much better. And if the last Administration wasn't so intent on pitting people against each other regardless of who got hurt, Sheriff Joe would have never become a news item. The Administration that deported more Hispanics than any other previous one was against Joe Apario because they cared so much about Hispanic Immigrants?
They sure did alright.., From HuffPo - your favorite source..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hard-truths-about-obamas-deportation-priorities_us_58b3c9e7e4b0658fc20f979e
"The mainstream media keeps repeating the falsehood that Obama focused on deporting serious criminals. As the ‘New York Times’ put it in a recent article, “Gone are the Obama-era rules that required them to focus only on serious criminals.” The editorial reinforced this characterization, stating “ICE and the Border Patrol under Mr. Obama were ordered to focus on arresting serious criminals and national-security risks.”
The data from the Department of Homeland Security tells a very different story. From 2009-2015, 56% of all immigrants removed from the country had no criminal convictions. The preliminary data from 2016, when Obama was still in office, suggests that this trend of deporting non-criminals continued. What’s more, a good portion of the so-called criminal deportees were arrested on low-level misdemeanor charges such as marijuana possession.
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Father Time
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8/29/2017 4:30:05 AM
An estimated 160 people died in Sheriff Arpaio's "concentration camps."
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8/29/2017 7:56:11 AM
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Huh? Who, when and how?
Please verify that charge..
And also.., why have you been so silent on this until now FT??? You've been running your mouth on everything for the last 20 years but have had nothing to say about Joe Apario till now???
Just turned up in the news so now it's an issue to you, right??? Sure it is..
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8/29/2017 9:07:33 AM
And btw FT..., none of these people were in Sheriff Joe's prisons but they're dead anyway.
And until the Libs signal it's ok to take up this cause the rest of the world can whistle Dixi until it's any concern of yours...
http://www.trueactivist.com/50-holistic-doctors-have-mysteriously-died-in-the-last-year-but-whats-being-done-about-it/
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Father Time
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8/29/2017 3:19:53 PM
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Father Time
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8/29/2017 3:24:07 PM
You're doltish Gregg.
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8/29/2017 9:09:04 PM
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Ah yes, one of those "Gotcha" moments, and that's the best you can do.. By your definition the entire US prison system would would qualify as a concentration camp complex but it's not quite that simple.
Most people are in prison because they did something against the law, and the Sheriff Joe's of this world are entrusted by the public to keep them safe from people who break the law. And prisons can be a living hell with the most inhumane conditions imaginable. Apario's logic is that if open air enclosures are good enough for US Servicemen, then they're good enough for a prison population also. My advice is don't break the law and it shouldn't be anything to be overly concerned with.
Now you conveniently dodged the charge you made about deaths in Apario's "concentration camps" Here it is in case you've forgotten.
From FT:
"An estimated 160 people died in Sheriff Arpaio's "concentration camps."
Once again Scott..., please verify this charge, name your source and in what manner did these inmates perish again in Sheriff Arpaio's "concentration camps." ???
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Father Time
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8/29/2017 10:27:39 PM
"The rules of the tent city were strict, arbitrary and brutally enforced. There are no newspapers allowed; Arpaio hated newspapers. The only food allowed for those of us in the work furlough program was the food in the vending machines, which was grossly overpriced.
During the sweltering summer, the temperature could reach 115 or 120 degrees. I was in the tents when we hit 120. It was impossible to stay cool in the oppressive heat. Everyone would strip down to their underwear. There was no cold water, only water from vending machines; and eventually, the machines would run out. People would faint; some had heatstroke. That summer, ambulances came about three times. One man died in his bed.
But the winter was even worse. During the winter, there were no heaters. Most jackets and heavily insulated pants weren’t allowed; they don’t want you to be comfortable.
When the temperatures dropped, we were forced to come up with makeshift ways to keep ourselves warm. The showers were kept scalding hot during both summer and winter. We hated to shower, but we would fill our empty water bottles up with the nearly boiling water and put the bottles between our blankets when it was freezing outside. We also would save the plastic bags we found when we cleaned up the jail yard and wrap our feet with them, tucking hot water bottles inside to keep our feet warm while we slept."-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/26/the-year-i-spent-in-joe-arpaios-tent-jail-was-hell-he-should-never-walk-free/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.074193895c5e
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Father Time
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8/29/2017 10:32:02 PM
and here's the article citing the 160.
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Stoneman
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8/29/2017 10:46:14 PM
As a retired prison chaplain I take issue with that statement that most people are in prison for committing crimes. I have seen a large portion of inmates in California railroaded by false charges and racism. The rule of double standards are unmistakable. White people are given far less time for much more serious crimes. It is the one thing about the court system that has never been fixed. When you give a judge the power to decide things his own prejudice certainly comes into play. I once saw a 17 year old boy given 33 years for selling 8ths of weed in a park. That very same day a White man who was convicted with several K's of heroine was given 5 years by the same judge. On top of this, many people have been railroaded into decisions that a good lawyer would have avoided. But poor people cannot afford a good lawyer so they wind up with public defenders who are often incompetent, over worked and unsympathetic to their clients. All I am saying is that there are a whole lot of people in jail that should not be there. Some are in there for exorbitant amounts of time for what I would consider to be petty little crimes. Others are just plain and simple innocent for the crimes they were convicted. Until the innocence project came along, no one was really sure of how many people are in jail for crimes they did not commit. But now we have a sampling of data that proves that there are a lot of people falsely imprisoned in America. This is a known fact that cannot be disputed. the more people that get cleared of crimes they were convicted of the more we begin to get a full picture of Americas falsely convicted inmate problems. I have visited prisons in 17 states and prison chaplains everywhere tell me they are seeing the same stuff.
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Bryon Tosoff
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8/30/2017 12:34:31 AM
Big time lock up Slammer for drug dealers and those that kill people with the meth they make and opioid epidemic , this is a pandemic and growing crisis in our province of BC and across Canada and throughout much of the US. The opioid usage is an out of control situation, it is devastating families, leaving children with no mother or father or both and crosses all strata, poor, the destitute , the rich, young people and is leaving people like zombies in hospitals wasting away. Slam those pieces of crap and no pardon. I have a list of people that have been pardoned by the previous president which to me is an absolute disgusting shame, those who dealt in crack., cocaine, meth and other illegal drugs that destroy and ruin peoples lives and eventually kill them.
Now saying that We need though a way to help people out of that dependence and the need to use, and give people opportunities to build better lives and improve their lives and build their self esteem. It is a vicious circle and that lifestyle is destroying the very fibre and soul of our nations.
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Stoneman
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8/30/2017 1:07:05 AM
With the privatization of many prisons it became politically important to keep the laws strict and maintain growth in the corrections industry (which also happens to be one of the biggest employers and political lobbyist organizations in California). In order for them to make a profit, they need more inmates. This causes a corruptible cycle of revolving door inmates who go in and out of the prisons because of parole violations, drug addictions and joblessness. Once you get a record, nobody will hire you because you have a record and not having a job is a parole violation. So, they are usually out for a month or two and then right back in. I have seen it happen over and over again. Also, because of the fact that the focus is no longer on rehabilitation but, on the warehousing of human beings for long periods of time, it is obvious that the current system needs to be reformed and re-energized with fresh and innovative ideas. Of course, the issue (as always) is where the money to re-train, reform and/or rehabilitate inmates going to come from? Another political issue for sure. Anything dealing with the budget is political. But, I believe that focusing money into the rehabilitation of these people will save us money in the long run when they become tax paying citizens who no longer need to be housed in facilities like prisons. But now days, the way things are, they come out even more addicted than they were when they were incarcerated. Warehousing people has failed us. Time to try something different.
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8/30/2017 4:38:50 AM
Well I just wrote about a 3000 word entry detailing the source of the crime problem today which is directly related to and a predictable byproduct of the pharmaceutical drug trade as well as a common sense approach to reducing the prison population as much as 80% with similar reductions in violent and other crimes by effectively dealing dealing with the real pushers and of course it gets zapped...
Later..
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Father Time
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8/30/2017 5:16:51 AM
If you're claiming you got moderated for posting something lately here, that did not happen.
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JeffH
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8/30/2017 8:43:16 AM
Left tool meet right tool...
I'll never understand why either of you only see one side.
It's pointless to defend either of them (Trump vs Obama)... just because you can find someone somewhere on the internet who can justify their actions. It's like you found your high...
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Bryon Tosoff
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8/30/2017 10:50:23 AM
there is no justification ,true.
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8/30/2017 10:58:24 AM
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Getting back to the drug-crime-prison equation, anyone paying attention should be aware that the country of Portugal recently legalized all drugs. As a result of that action the drug problem is less than a half then what it was 10 years ago. Drug addiction is treated as a medical issue now and not a crime. Of the current US prison population, approximately half of the inmates are incarcerated for drug related crimes. In a high crime areas like Detroit approximately 90% of the murders are drug related, mostly to heroin and other hard drugs. So if we were to follow Portugal's example in theory we could reduce the current prison population by 50% and reduce a significant percentage of violent crime by by providing free drugs to users and rehabilitation that actually works to those who want to become well again.
And besides treating drug addiction as a disease that really is, we must also address the source of this addiction. Drugs like Ritalin are virtually identical to pharmaceutical cocaine while Adderall is the same as crystal meth. Yet when prescribed to children they do exhibit sedative properties until the users have passed through puberty and it is then that is when these seemingly safe pharmaceutical drugs reveal their actual dangers as well as explaining why the abuse of these medications do not begin until the users enter their teenage years. Yet the dealers who traffic these drugs are allowed to walk free.
When we allow a branch of medicine that consumes up to 40% of all expenditures for medical care and whose entire financial existence is completely dependent on trafficking pharmaceutical medications for alleged diseases that no diagnostic test can detect, the predictable residual effect of this medical abomination is the breakdown of society and the rampant crime everyone must deal with with today. So the problem can be fixed but as long as Big Pharma is paying upwards of 80% of the medias advertising budgets and spends the most on lobbyists in Washington it obviously won't be happening anytime soon.
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Bryon Tosoff
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8/30/2017 11:08:46 AM
We have injection sites here in Vancouver, first ones in Canada and North America, more have been started up in our outlying communities. A number of US and Canadian cities have considered following the same setup . it has helped bring down overdose deaths, but still is not the answer.
North Korea aint going to kill us with bombs, we are killing ourselves with pretend fantasy land, government left wing attitudes that promote free bloody everything, we as a people seem to have lost our way in this country,not all, but enough. baby sitter government will provide us with free housing free drugs free health care, which I guess Is a good thing, but injection sites scattered all over. I guess it helps control people from dying without support and assistance.
We have a problem. and it just aint drugs, its the system where you can get taken care of without any real effort ,its pathetic.
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8/30/2017 11:14:28 AM
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So what role did Sheriff Joe play in creating the conditions that has created the current prison situation? None and is guilty of none of the charges brought against him. I'm sure he's as imperfect as the next person and has made mistakes in his life like we all do but the actions taken against Joe Apario are driven by political only, had he been a Democrat he never would have made a single headline.
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8/30/2017 11:25:16 AM
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Well look at what just popped up on my Facebook feed. One of the early drug indoctrination videos I was subjected too when growing up. Want to really nip the drug problem in the bud? These are the lunatics that schoolchidren must be protected from..
Behold..
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Father Time
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8/30/2017 2:23:01 PM
Gregg you need to educate yourself more on this. Arpaio was prosecuted by Jeff Sessions' justice dept. and 2 conservative senators from Arizona have spoken out against the pardon.
read this
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