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Hop On Pop
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3/7/2011 8:48:06 AM
I would like to get involved here again, but...
until there is a good-faith action taken on the part of IAC management, I simply cannot bring myself to:
A) Post any more songs at the site
B) Promote the site to anybody else
I have personally brought well-over a dozen artists to IAC over the years. And I have talked this place up to folks all over the internet, and in real life. Still, there is an outstanding balance on my artist account that I have been attempting to collect on for well over a year.
Oh, this post is going to be buried by the admis here, I don't care how "open" their new policies are, but I am done being kicked around.
It's frustrating.
I did NOT post my new (now a year old) album for sale on here, because I can't even collect the few pennies that I made from DOWNLOAD sales over the past couple of years.
And... I am a "Perpetual" member, too.
I am really glad that you seem to be getting your stuff back together, IAC. But the fact is that you will NEVER regain what you lost if you don't go back and try to rebuild the bridges that you have burned with some of your earliest (and previously most-active) supporters. Folks like me.
Like I said, I expect this thread to be removed. But I also expect to HEAR from an admin. sometime SOON. (Like, today.) Cut me my check. And, when I get it into my hot little hands, I will maybe begin to start tenatively inching back toward the folds.
I miss a lot of the folks here and the community. I just cannot tolerate the BS that I've been subjected to.
People who I miss (you know who you are)... drop me a line! I would love to hear what you are up to!
Love to you guys.
Todd
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Jesse Adams
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3/7/2011 8:55:00 AM
Well said, sir. BRAVO!
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Hop On Pop
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3/7/2011 9:02:36 AM
Thanks, Jesse.
And, I don't want folks to think that my piss and vinegar is all about the couple of pennies that I am owed, it's more about the lack of respect that I feel that I have been shown, as a customer/client of this site.
The lack of response has just been a slap in the face — over and over.
Hope that you are well, Jesse. And Stephen John: thanks for swinging by my page. Hope that all is well with you, too.
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Bryon Tosoff
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3/7/2011 9:20:26 AM
I hear ya, and so do the ones trying to change things
and I think that action is getting taken care of Todd. and whether we are oldtimers, longtimers or new here or not, that is not the point, big deal, not unless you are a stockholder, owner, shareholder whatever , you really dont have any say ,you opted to give your time, volunteer your expertise here, bring your songs here, share your opinions here, that was your choice, and mine to, they owe you nothing except the monies for the streams and that is it, nothing less, nothing more
we have to give the new man at the helm Neil w Young an opportunity to change the course of this organization, it just dont happen, this is a long term thing. I concur with what you have said, and with you on your frustrations. I am with ya totally, but lets give it a chance. ease back, and watch ,if it dont go forward and it is not what you want or like, then you me leave, simple as that. I dont have to hang around here, they dont need me and I dont need them, same with you. your call
I hope you read the blog that was posted here by KIAC MEDIA LLC, you probably did....sure there are things posted, promised and never any followups , but I trust Neil and his passion to keep this place going,.as do many others....so do the thing that makes you who you are, your music, and bring it, or not
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The Man With No Band
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3/7/2011 3:52:07 PM
Word ...
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Bryon Tosoff
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3/7/2011 6:52:34 PM
ditto Sam.
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Tom O'Brien
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3/7/2011 9:11:47 PM
Right on, Todd. I've missed you around here. In fact, I've cut way back on my IAC activity. I hope that it can get back to be the killer site that it once was. But I too have dropped a chunk of change here - prepetual member and artist's account, and having nothing to show for it makes me feel like a chump.
I'm not boycotting like you, but I definitely feel disappointed and cheated.
Thanks to IAC for letting us air our grievances.
I think some comment from IAC admin is in order.
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Bryon Tosoff
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3/7/2011 9:30:12 PM
---- Updated 3/7/2011 9:31:50 PM
Todd said
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"I miss a lot of the folks here and the community. I just cannot tolerate the BS that I've been subjected to."
"Oh, this post is going to be buried by the admis here, I don't care how "open" their new policies are, but I am done being kicked around."
"I am really glad that you seem to be getting your stuff back together, IAC. But the fact is that you will NEVER regain what you lost if you don't go back and try to rebuild the bridges that you have burned with some of your earliest (and previously most-active) supporters. Folks like me."
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your not the only one Todd. there are many others in the same boat as you.
but if you dont like it, then pack up your bags and leave, but,
if you are willing to stick around and see what happens then do so....
I essentially said the same thing you did a number of days ago, except i didn't just talk about me and how hard done by i felt...This place is more then just you, many others have been "burned" far more seriously then you have. now just remember all the good things you have been able to do here, for next to nothing. been a pretty cheap ride.
as for building bridges, the first thing is, change your attitude, bitterness aint gonna help a bridge get built to you if a olive leaf is held out to you, if you hold a grudge how is that going to make things better. and what have you got to complain about anyways, if you were speaking on behalf of those who really got screwed over, then i have an ear to listen, but if it is all about you and your thing I dont have time and neither will many others. ...
If you read that KIAC MEDIA LLC blog properly you would see that it encompasses a lot of areas that you addressed here, but i guess you did not read it properly and in its fullness
so, lets see where it goes and what happens. Neil w Young is taking the steps to address many areas of deficiencies and doing what he can to smooth things over
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Conversation Suicide
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3/8/2011 2:19:38 AM
here's hopin'.
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Hop On Pop
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3/8/2011 4:41:15 AM
---- Updated 3/8/2011 6:45:06 AM
A) Never said it was all about me. But I cannot speak for others, only myself.
B) I am glad to be a part of the community again, and I appreciate the olive branch.
C) I did not even see the IAC blog post until after I posted this thread, myself.
Look, getting smarmy back at somebody who is already pissed off and frustrated is not going to solve anything. The only reason that I posted this thread at all is BECAUSE I was hoping that something was changing here; BECAUSE I wanted to think that I could come back to something that would be beneficial and fun... the way it used to be.
I appreciate that you were able to do something, Neil. But some of us are not in a position to do so in the same way that you were. I really hope, for your sake and the sake of everybody here, that this thing goes over like gangbusters. I really do.
But, judging by your response to my (deservedly) frustrated post, it's not an olive branch after all it's a rose. It looks beautiful and smells really nice, but it's still got thorns. So, I'm not gonna grab it too fast and carelessly.
Thank you for your efforts in trying to right the ship. It is appreciated by many here, myself included. I'm not taking my music down just yet, but I am not going to just grab that rose without looking for the thorns.
Also, a question:
The yearly "maintenance fee", that does apply to grandfathered in Prime Perpetual members, too, I assume? Because that seems to go against the one-time-only fee that we originally signed up for when we payed our $100 or whatever it was a couple of years ago.
Thanks. And Love to all you guys.
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Bryon Tosoff
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3/8/2011 6:26:18 AM
with ya Todd
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niteshift
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3/9/2011 12:43:52 AM
Yeah Todd, I'm hearing ya.
Likewise, I haven't been around here too much. The lack of transparancy re money, and the absolute hatred being portrayed on the forums last year, just didn't interest me.
I know it's all an involved and drawn out harang, but perhaps Neil will be able to pull it all together, pay off the outstanding debts, cut the bullshit, work in a businesslike manner, and get on with it. Fingers crossed.....
I haven't released anything in over a year, but still consider IAC my main music site. To me, it just "fits" my overall views.
Maybe it will be a new dawn. I do know one thing. That the forums do need to be moderated. NO BUSINESS or website, which allows constant criticsm of it's own self in a public manner will never get anywhere. It's a real big turn off to prospective artists and listeners alike. Just image being invited to someones house in the middle of a domestic dispute...... you're not going to stay long.
Anyways, here's cheers ( hopefully ) to a fresh start.
cheers, niteshift
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The Black Orchids
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3/9/2011 9:21:45 AM
---- Updated 3/9/2011 9:24:30 AM
We need to stop feeding these music web sites. Nobody but the site owners are making money. Where are our royalties? Our sales?
I also paid for an account here, sent many friends over the years, posted the IAC banner all over, and have never seen one dime from this site. This is why I ending up leaving, even though I had number one songs for a long time here.
Think about this. You created music, you spent money recording, and now you're paying a web site who's making money off of your work, and giving you nothing in return.
I'd just put up a few old songs, and now there are "buy it" links that take you to paypal with a total. WTF is going on here? I didn't choose any option for that,
and I checked my account settings twice. Be careful IAC, some musicians retain lawyers who will sue your ass into oblivion over this kind of bullshit practice.
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Slimdog Productions
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3/9/2011 9:56:03 AM
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It's just the vibe of the artists here that has kept me coming back to the site. I'm a perpetual member as well, won contests here, but I've never put our songs up for sale. It sucks that we've never got our prizes, but I think Neil w. Young is a standout artist/person that could take IAC to places where it should of been in the first place. Personally, I like the functionality and the setup of the bandpages. It's really second to none, imo, as far as look and being able to put widgets and the not up on your page.
As far as the massive talent that is here, there is NONE better anywhere. Period. The world needs to know this. The music industry needs to know this. I think this is where Neil w. Young and the powers that "be" at IAC need to start. Lefty Gomez has planted the seed for IAC with his great radio show. They need to "water and nuture" that seed. That's what I would do.
I had made a post a few weeks ago about how Block Scholars/Slimdog Productions had some things that could be happening with us where IAC could be looked at by some big names in the industry because we have you as our main bandpage and that these "blackouts" that they were having recently would have to stop. Now, the time has come for IAC to keep their word for all eyes may be now on you real soon...If not today.
I just want IAC to be what it once was and what it could be...Best wishes to Neil & others.
Slim
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Hop On Pop
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3/9/2011 11:29:23 AM
Thanks for all your support, fellow artists. I see that I've struck a chord with y'all (pardon the pun).
But now, I have a question that maybe some of you could answer for me (and the rest of us);
Per the IAC announcement:
Does "being grandfathered into a nonexpiring Gold Membership" mean that all a current Prime Perpetual member (such as myself) will owe the site is the $4.95 yearly fee, or do we have to pay the $100 a year on top of that?
It's unclear.
Because, frankly, I would not be at all willing to pay something that steep so that this, or any site has the right to stream my music. It is, after all, my property that you are using to make your money.
Whoever can... please clarify.
Thanks!
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Pinedog
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3/9/2011 12:03:43 PM
I'm playing the Jeoperdy song while we wait for an administrative response...
Pinedog
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Bryon Tosoff
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3/9/2011 12:05:20 PM
I have to agree with Todd, ( this time : ha) I think the rates are indeed steep and should be looked at, we mentioned this before,
do we all pay the maintenance fee. and being grandfathered Iguess those who where perpertual dont? i have read all aspects of the release......
and what is iacmusic or the rebranded KIAC MEDIA LLC going to do for us besides charge a good sum to have us dock our music here
reverbnation and myspace dont charge a cent........for storage.
what are the plans besides selling our music here, if that is what the artist wants
are there other options, besides internet radio play and stations.....
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Bam Singh
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3/9/2011 1:05:48 PM
Does "being grandfathered into a nonexpiring Gold Membership" mean that all a current Prime Perpetual member (such as myself) will owe the site is the $4.95 yearly fee, or do we have to pay the $100 a year on top of that?
It's unclear.
This means that as an existing Prime Perpetual member, you now have a special Gold account which is different from other Gold accounts in that it does not expire and is never rebilled. The regular Gold membership expires after one year and must be renewed by payment of the associated fee; however, as a Prime Perpetual member, you are not required to renew or pay - you have a non-expiring Gold membership forever.
Like all artists on the site, you would be subject to the $4.95 annual maintenance fee. However, if you are an opted-in member of the Cash Stream, having paid $7.50 to join, you are exempt from the first two billings, on March 31, 2011, and March 31, 2012.
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Neil w Young
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3/10/2011 9:08:39 PM
Just stopping in here Todd to let you know that your voice is being heard. You were - or may still not be - the only artist at IACMusic.com that has experienced more than just frustration. From where I stood several months ago it appeared to be contagious.
For me, given the thoughts that I was then entertaining, the prospect of deciding to step up to the plate so to speak was unquestionably a calculated risk of business as well as of the heart.
Still I was confident that I could see more than light at the end of the tunnel and that with a combination of vision as well as insuring first and foremost that IACMusic.com was run and managed in a responsible businesslike fashion - accountable and transparent - that there was a better than average chance that a better and brighter future could be achieved and fulfilled. And as I have said elsewhere recently, while that is neither a guarantee or promise that I or anyone alone can deliver, given the opportunity and with support, patience and understanding that remains my goal.
For one reason or another I realize that it will be difficult to convince everyone of my commitment and that stumbles that might occur along the way might appear to be cracks or a weakness in my commitment. It will not be so.
Thank you Todd for your honesty and for giving me an opportunity to make a difference. My thanks as well to Bryon, Geoff and Slim for your kind words of encouragement and for your support and trust - both hard to come by and even harder to keep. I shall endeavor to not let you down.
If you have questions that remain unanswered Todd, please do not hesitate to give Bam or support another shout. I know that he and/or they would be quick on the draw to give you the answer or to get the answer for you. I’m available too - you will find me almost anywhere at any time on the ship checking and rechecking all systems with the crew.
Peace.
Neil
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niteshift
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3/10/2011 10:59:12 PM
Very good words there Neil, concise and to the point.
If there is going to be blood letting, then let it happen in an open and transparent way.
Once that is done, we can all get on and write some great tunes, and get on with the business of indie music.
cheers, niteshift
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