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Life begins at conception?

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4/13/2008 10:43:29 PM

Life begins at conception?
Well, I value public opinions because they enlighten me of my folly.
Many people I talk to say that life begins at conception. But having taken some science courses, I begin to doubt this.
Conception occurs after the egg and the sperm combine to form an embryo, or "life". Then they say, we should not destroy embryos since they represent life.
However, since the embryo is formed from a sperm and an egg, then life begins with the sperm and the egg. Then we shouldn't destroy or waste the sperm or the egg, something nearly impossible.
This leads me to believe that life begins after the fetus comes out of the uterus. Before this, the fetus is only a developing embryo, which is only a combination of the egg and the sperm.
So, where does life begin? Where shouldn't we "destroy" life? Shouldn't we destroy the fetus..... the embryo.... the egg or the sperm......."since they are all one and the same thing"?

4/14/2008 1:18:26 AM

It is interesting...I say....after it's born....pretty much...

4/14/2008 2:27:51 AM

Sophie Tucker sang "Life Begins at 40" and, according to popular legend, she was pretty familiar with 'conception'.

For myself, as I have yet to hear of anyone with inter-womb memories, I'm inclined to believe that 'conscious life' begins at birth. As for 'clinical life', doctors have a hard enough time determining when clinical death occurs, so...

4/14/2008 3:35:51 AM

My personal belief is that the decision for physical life begins in the spirit world before we are 'physically' conceived. Of course, I can't prove this and could be wrong but my life experiences so far have lead me to believe this.
So, based on this belief, I would consider life to begin the moment the spirit 'enters' the physical creation. As for when that is, I have no idea! I can't remember!!
I would say it is before the physical birth though and is some time during growth in the womb. My reasons for believing that are the impact a mother's experiences during pregnancy appear to have on the child and the way an unborn child responds to stimulus while still in the womb.

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4/14/2008 5:27:52 AM

I believe that THIS will enlighted you all...

4/14/2008 5:39:55 AM

Sorry.
Just thought that a thread this heavy needed a bit of levity.

Now, as to the question at hand:
Perhaps it begins with awareness (which does begin in the womb) -- when the baby/fetus begins responding to stimuli?

For me, at least it's a logical/consistent P.O.V. with my opinion that, once a person is brain dead, life is over, and should not be kept artificially alive with machines and whatnot. Awareness is gone and, therefore, so is their life.

There is no neat answer to the question — none to which everybody can agree, at least. On both ends of life. It's an arguement that will never end and while I do disagree with some folks on (both sides) the issue, I can certainly understand their points. I simply cannot resolve this within myself.

Hopefully, the above is logical and one that will minimize pain. Because there is no elimination of the pain and angst of deciding to end a life -- or keep one from beginning.

4/14/2008 5:43:03 AM

SP's answer shows the most love and respect for life so far whether she can "prove it or not". It goes even further than the moment of conception standard.

All I can say is: If I destroyed a rare Condor egg would anybody who denies moment of conception be angry about it?? Why? It wasn't a rare condor yet was it?

Sohnn, you're thinking, but I think there is a flaw in your logic:

Consider this issue being discussed in a courtroom. The defendants says it wasn't a human life yet but the complainant says it surely would have become a human life. The judge agrees that the complainant was robbed of one human life because it is a reasonable expectation that the embryo would have become a human life.

Let me use another example -- you have a guitar which was stolen forty years ago. The thief is caught but no longer has the guitar. Does he owe you the original purchase price of $350, or does he owe the replacement price which is now $15,000 due the instrument's appreciation. You'd be pretty pissed if you only got $350. So what is the replacement price of a baby whether the fetus is life or not?

You took some science classes, eh? That's fine, but never forget: "Science is an ass."

4/14/2008 2:44:21 PM

What I've heqard is that life begins when the kids move out and the dog dies.

4/14/2008 3:08:11 PM

lol @ Bob!

And good response SP!

4/14/2008 3:13:45 PM

Life is what you make of it.......................... very d
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4/14/2008 4:39:10 PM

Maybe a more pertinent rationale starts with...what is life?

4/14/2008 6:48:25 PM

What Bob Elliot said. And what Jo Ellen said.

All your cells are alive, except for the ones that are dead, like your hair and nails. Sperm and eggs are no exception. So, literally, life has begun before conception. The fact that they fused is just a continuation.

What indeed do we mean by "life"? I think most people are fuzzily thinking, "life of a human being", when they are talking about "life" in this sense.

When is something a human being? Is a potential human being a human being? Is it a human being when it has intelligence? Is it a human being when it has feeling? (Uh, no. Even earthworms writhe in pain when injured.) You have to define your terms or no one is going to make sense on this.

Is a baby human being a human being? Nearly everyone who has seen that wonder and smile and wide eyes right after birth would say so.

Is a reptilian-looking fetus a human being? Or a potential human being?

You might want to start there.

4/14/2008 8:51:48 PM

Conceptually speaking.... I believe I am the product of an egg and a sperm. And "Little Joe" was alive in her mommy's belly growing, developing, and listening. This is a touchy issue and I always am sensitive to how others feel, but for me it's common sense that we are alive from the time conception. If we sould die before birth...we are rejected by the body.

4/14/2008 10:52:39 PM

Thanks for the enlightenment,
But through all these, I still wonder whether life begins when a baby is born, when the baby is a fetus (when it starts to sense senses), or what actually makes the fetus, the egg and the sperm.
My conscience will "cringe" when a "born" baby is killed, but it won't "cringe" when a fetus or an embryo is destroyed, or when some people go ahead and waste their sperm or eggs "I bet some people will "cringe" at that"......
Thanks for your inputs..............

4/14/2008 10:56:52 PM

To Kranky King.....
The reasonable expectation that the embryo would have become a human life isn't very reasonable. This is because an embryo is made out of sperm and egg. So, we should not destroy the sperm and the egg then because they have the "potential" or the expectation to become life. That is a slippery slope.
I always tended to believe that life begins once the baby is born, but was never sure.............

4/15/2008 5:32:20 AM

I believe I was talking about a fetus not a separate egg and a separate sperm.

Once the egg and sperm are joined -- same argument -- reasonable expectation of a human. i guess I'm with Jo Ellen on the moment-of-conception argument.

An old timer once told me that "anyone can plant a seed but only God can make it grow". Very mysterious. If you don't like mysteries then it's better to follow some vague scientific speculation that will hopefully deliver an answer some day.

I'm not trying to be derogatory. I realize a lot of us like to have a solid answer for some things. And that's the topic of this blog. Sorry I can't help. My opinion is more belief than evidence. I think yours may be too, however.

Best to ya, bud.

4/15/2008 5:22:25 PM

This has always been a delicate subject which many have disagreed on for eons and I'm sure none of us will end the debate here.
But as for my 2 sense, if someone were to hit my wife in the tummy while she was pregnant and cause a miscarriage I would feel that my wife and I were robbed from experieincing the life of our unborn child. I would have no problem feeling that the unborn child was killed/murdered and would seek justice for that act. Most expectant parents feel that the bun in the oven is as much their child when in the womb as it is when it comes out of the womb. All the rest as far as I'm concerned is silly and actually dangerous semantics. I know people whose children who died in the womb caused as much loss and grief as those whose children who died after childbirth. Either way the pain of grief and loss is very real to those who have to live with it and I'm sure they could care less about when the life actually began. All they know is that it ended.

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