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9/22/2009 12:29:02 PM
Kurt Cobain and Nirvana
What are your thoughts on, who i see as the most important musician in the last 25 years?
Kurt Cobain is, was and always has been my greatest hero. I love everything about the man and the myth, even his death/murder (what ever you wanna call it) had an amazing poetic justice about it.
I was 15 in 91 when nevermind shook mine and everyone elses world, i was able to find many comparisons between mine and his lives, my parents divorced when i was 7, i was passed round from reletive to relative for a while, then my father remarried but my step mother hated me and was rather vocal and physical about it.
So as i was growing up and starting to find myself Nirvana hit me in the face, suddenly i had a voice i could relate to, a point of view and image of life that made sense, maybe thats why my own music is has many Nirvana like qualities.am i a revivalist or rip off? I dont care, all i know is the way i play from my heart i learnt from Nirvana, my soul has many voices and they all need to be channelled.
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9/22/2009 1:32:56 PM
I had to chime in on this one, product.
My oldest daughter was born in 91 when nevermind came out. I was barely 18. But bleach was a staple. I was never too fond of punk rock aside from the attitude because i was a sucker for melodies, (hence my infatuation with REM) I mean, you have husker du, agent orange and a few others that did it for me, but nothing like when nevermind came out, i didn't think it could ever get any better than that, and it hasn't. ...well with the exception of heart shaped box, and you know you're right.
I hate the gods for stealing kurt from us. I get the chills typing this.
we miss you forever, kurt
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9/22/2009 3:03:32 PM
I'll totally admit it Noah it was your post that about being sensitive that spurred me on to post this, as it feels at times its only me, Scott and Phlegm who openly talk and admit to a love of Nirvana, most pipeliners generally only talk Dylan and the Beatles and well i'm too young for all that and i dont care too much either for them.
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Vartan
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9/22/2009 4:59:33 PM
Oh my god! I love Nirvana. I was 14 when Nevermind came out and I was like, whew, thank god! Cause trying to find my way as a singer in a heavy metal band when I was into the The Sex Pistols, The Ramones, The Beatles, & Pink Floyd was not doin it for me. When Nirvana came out, I was like, you know what, I am gonna play guitar in this (my) band because I don't need or want to fingertap and shred and shit. I stopped doing speed metal and started writing my own songs. I seriously learned how to play guitar, bass and drums by listening and emulating Nevermind. I cannot stress how much Kurt Cobain has influenced me and to this day I still keep In Utero in heavy heavy rotation. I love that album too. I love everything he did. Even the bad quality unreleased stuff. I listened to those over and over and over too. I can't say enough about my love for Kurt Cobain and Nirvana!!!!!!!!
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9/22/2009 5:27:45 PM
on my 19th birthday oct 1995 i thought to myself i'm gonna learn to play the guitar so i took a couple of weeks off work and used my two weeks pay to buy my first guitar a bright red fender squire strat and all i did for those two weeks was sit down with the nevermind, in utero and dookie tab books with the sole purpose to play all three albums, i think i got 4 or 5 songs, but as soon as i started learning these songs i was instantly taking parts of them and turning them in to my own songs, I wrote a song called Jump that week (which is on our record) which is kinda a rip off of teen spirit with out it being a blatent rip off
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Noah Spaceship
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9/22/2009 9:33:45 PM
those purple fingertips were a badge of honor, i learned my first four chords on my buddy's squier strat, traded my saxaphone in on a bc rich that week, but it was REM that made me want to play, Kurt made me never want to quit.
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9/22/2009 11:30:31 PM
I remember when I came to realize that Nirvana was great. They were playing Teen Spirit a lot and to be honest, I thought it was a bit of a rip of White Room at the time. But the song ran thru my head a lot. I buy a lot of records so I bought Nevermind. So I used to get wasted and drive around the mountains a lot at night with my lady, where I used to live and we put that cassette in. My god is that a powerful record to listen to in your car. We were totally buzzed on it, one song after another, playin it as loud as fuck. It really caught me offguard but I thought damn, this is the real article. It had been years since I felt that way about any band. And the day In Utero came out was the last day I actually staked out the release date and bought a record the first day it was out.
I remember watching their Unplugged special when it was on. I watched it again after he died and I realized this was another moment for rock and roll space in time. It is transcendent beyond compare, that concert. He knew what was going to happen to him, his future, that night, I'm convinced. If you haven't seen it lately, it changes your life every time you do, guaranteed.
I've often remarked that the most amazing characters in music, the Beatles, Elvis, Page, Chuck Berry, I suspect they were planted on earth by aliens to change our culture. They are so much bigger than life, they have an unearthly aura. Cobain is one of those.
You may not know that Nirvana has an officially sanctioned page here at IAC, thru our relationship with Subpop. They couldn't offer us any mp3s to put on it though.
Isn't it interesting that their last release while alive was that song that at the time you could only get on the Beavis and Butthead movie soundtrack which of course I bought for that lone reason. How fitting, eh ? I Hate Myself and Want To Die is amazing though, one of their very best songs, shouldn't have been left off the record but it appears to be another one of those preordained things.
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9/23/2009 8:17:29 AM
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Yup. and Ditto.
TO everything y'all said.
I'll only add that KURT helped stretch my vocal chords, and took my vocals away from just GOSPEL, Rock and PUNK, and PLUNGED them darkly into GRUNGE stylin'
To those who've LISTENED to US, you'll hear the Influence (especially on The One and In His Head).
BUT I STILL haven't gotten to the level of Kobain-esque Screaming and Melody MIX, that POP of Product Recall has achieved.
I SWEAR to GOD, the LAST Review they got, nailed it on the head.
Kurt Cobain's Spirit and Soul is alive, and well, and living inside of that killer new band, PRODUCT RECALL.
Hey, Scott, any chance you could hook a brother up with some Sub-pop connections????
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9/23/2009 1:06:50 PM
Yes please Scott
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9/23/2009 1:19:11 PM
The guy I arranged stuff with isn't there anymore so it would be a cold call, unfortunately.
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9/23/2009 2:07:21 PM
Just out of curiosity are the other famous / well known acts on here all officially sanctioned cos i've always been a little skeptical?
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Hop On Pop
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9/23/2009 2:11:31 PM
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Nirvana, hmmm?
Love 'em.
I think that, all things considered, Kurt was just a brilliant songwriter, who was just STARTING to hit his stride, when he died. I don't think that he had yet made his best music, which is really sad.
I remember hearing that he was working with Michael Stipe on something, but that it had yet to yield any recorded fruits. Bummer, that would have been cool.
You can hear the growth from Nevermind to In Utero; and then even more (albeit subtlely) on the Unplugged set.
Are they my favorite band ever? No.
Not even my favorite punk band. But I think that, had they stuck around a little longer, they might have been.
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9/23/2009 2:24:52 PM
Yes. Unlike My Space which perpetrated a huge fraud with crank artist pages in order to popularize themselves, we have official permission for every well known artist page that's here. Often it's their reps but in various cases we've spoken to some of them on the phone. You probably know that Pete Townshend even made an appearance on our first Golden Kayak awards show.
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9/23/2009 2:34:51 PM
Yeah i know about the mighty Pete, and how he's quite a heavy contributer here musically, but fuck me thats Awesome that you guys have been in touch with Fat Mike, Tim Armstrong, Lars Fredrickson and L7 to name but a few, shit, chuck them my way please
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9/23/2009 2:54:32 PM
YUP. They are REAL, man.
Pretty crazy, eh? Why the fuck won't any of their publicists or managers hook up strugglin' artists like us.
ANYHOO -- Here's a GREAT station for all these REAL RockStars on IAC:
Phamous Phlegm Phavourites
You won't hear a whiney pHLeGm, or other IAC punk-wannabe ANYWHERE in the MIX !!
It's ALL successful PUNK/INDIE and Underground Artists that made it BIG!
And they're on IAC, legitimately.
Maybe someday we can add PRODUCT RECALL up in there, huh? That's what I'm hopin' for....
Product Recall IS: Old School Grunge meets new school PUNK/Screamo/Hardcore/METAL.
Kurt's Spirit is alive and well.
-pHLeGm
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9/23/2009 3:00:57 PM
I even had a couple direct communications with Juliette Lewis. :))
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9/23/2009 3:17:46 PM
Scott dang she's hot
PhLegM, We should both be on there, we're both international rock stars (in a litteral sense) your regularly played in my house, that makes you international, and dont know about you but i'm famous in my neighbourhood, sure i'm scrapping the barrel but we gotta hold on to what we have
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Tom O'Brien
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9/23/2009 10:53:01 PM
I was feeling so dismal about music before Nevermind came out. I never thought anything would ever rock again. I had started to think music was an artform that had outlived its usefulness. All the great stuff was stuff from the past and all the current stuff was almost unlistenable. Then I heard Teen Spirit for the first time and everything changed. It was one of the only songs that ever made me turn up the volume to distortion levels. It was a watershed moment for me. And it re-vitalized music in general.
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9/23/2009 11:46:21 PM
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I was 34 in 1991, and was a bit of a jazz snob. I hated all the 90s music. However Nirvana was so REAL, so raw, and profound. I became a huge fan, and was heartbroken (as was the entire city of Seattle) when he reached the end of his rope, and made the ultimate expression of his anguish. My ex wife was severely bipolar, and his suicide touched me deeply, and I cried like a baby.
It just goes to show us all that money, fame, and fortune, does not happiness make. And, so much that touches us so deeply in music, comes from the outcry of tormented souls...That's why it makes us feel such a kindred connection, and touches us down to the soul. How much of mankinds great art comes from undiagnosed mental illness? God only knows. God bless the ill, and ill at heart!!!
TF
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Vartan
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9/26/2009 8:38:49 AM
I forgot to mention that Polly was the first song I ever learned how to play all the way through on guitar.
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KENNY COLGATE
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9/26/2009 9:33:18 AM
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If you loved Nirvana you will also LOVE Product Recall.
When they released their music...
I'm very sure that Kurt was smiling.
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Chris Hance
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9/26/2009 11:48:20 AM
I even had a couple direct communications with Juliette Lewis. :))
she was on uk tv last weekend, the show was beamed from new york I think
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Anon E. Mouse
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9/27/2009 2:29:25 AM
"I'm sure Kurt was smiling"
Such a biased Statement Mr. Colgate -- they're on your label, for Christ's sake!
Give a listen to bands that are BIGGER than any label, with grammies to prove it, on the recently departed Anon E. Mouse Memorial Page....
-Doobious DoobieMeyer the Cat
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9/27/2009 2:53:00 AM
hunkafunk, Banana said it on another thread, and I also believe Kurt was murdered.
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9/27/2009 10:19:43 AM
No doubt in my mind, Scott what was that web site you once posted by the private investigator?
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9/27/2009 10:44:45 AM
The one I think is best is http://cobaincase.com. I think that's the one Banana posted last week. Courtney's attorney is the creator of that site. heh
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9/27/2009 11:13:05 AM
Cheers Scott, you posted it on NTP a while ago and although i read through it all i forgot to bookmark it
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9/27/2009 11:31:06 AM
Courtney is even more crazy than she seems on TV. She used to post regular insane rants at one of the music communities and I flamed her then to her face calling her a murderer.
An IAC artist WeaponX who I collabed with was friends with El Duce from the west coast punk realm, he's the guy who claimed Courtney offered him money to "off" Kurt, who then also died somewhat mysteriously. Weap says this guy was really down to earth and no way would he have gone on record with that if it wasn't so.
Of course Courtney's dad even thinks she was involved.
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9/27/2009 12:44:25 PM
I remember watching 'Kurt and Courtney' in the cinema, when El Duce came on with his admission i originally thought he was nothing more than a washed up drunk but there was something in his eyes.
Did Courtney ever respond back to you and your post? You know somethings a miss when the unconditional love of a father doesn't include trust. Her father was right about one thing she is the least talented member of her family, her sister Brodie is pretty awesome
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9/27/2009 3:22:28 PM
She said something angry/luny directed at me and another guy who was razzin her. heh
Also Hole's bass player may have been killed by her.
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9/27/2009 4:33:50 PM
yeah i think i read it at cobaincase.com, she always struck me as an evil manipulative witch even before kurt died
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