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Camdie
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2/21/2008 3:23:41 AM
IAC beats Garageband.com in personality
Prior to joining IAC, I had been involved with Garageband.com since 2002. I have to say that IAC is so much easier to enjoy.
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Pulse Eternal
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2/21/2008 4:10:32 AM
Camdie,
I am listening to, and THOROUGHLY enjoying your tracks right now. You have some absolutely fantastic stuff on your page!!
I have to agree with you about IAC too. I love it here!
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Tony Vani and Debbie Hoskin
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2/21/2008 4:21:12 AM
Oh, I thought it said, "Garbage Band." (yawn) ..........just woke up. Garage band is a very strange place...........no offence garage band. deb
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srm
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2/21/2008 4:44:59 AM
Like you, I had been on GarageBand for several months before 'finding' IAC. The difference is night and day. Getting some objective feedback on the music is helpful, to an extent, but I prefer the 'artist colony' feel of this site. Everyone is supportive, and there are tons of great music here. Your songs are excellent additions and are quite enjoyable.
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Hop On Pop
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2/21/2008 6:07:00 AM
There is a competition-type atmosphere at GarageBand (for obvious reasons). And, while I enjoyed it there for several YEARS, this place simply feels a lot more nurturing. (No offense Jukey, if you're here -- I still love you!)
I love this place.
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Two Silo Complex
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2/21/2008 6:10:49 AM
Garage band has all the excitement of a cold wet limp noodle.
I left there and am happy that I am no longer on that site.
TSC
Ken
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Hugh Hamilton
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2/21/2008 6:22:05 AM
The only error I see in your blog title is one of omission...IAC beats EVERY site - if you happen to be a music lover!
:)
H
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Verity
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2/21/2008 8:19:03 AM
Thanks for walking towards the light at the end of the indie music tunnel. We will look after you here, we ain't got no mean reviewers and we are genuinely interested in you and your music. Verity
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Kevin White
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2/21/2008 9:01:06 AM
Garageband encourages what I call "commando reviews" through its model.
People want to get their tunes up and going, so in order to get things going for free, they do "commando reviews" a.k.a. quick one liners, and then quickly jump onto the next listen to hit the number required. Everyone gets about 10 secs of a listen before the reviewer scribbles off something mundane like:
"Love it! Snare was lud."
... and moves onto the next one.
Personally, I don't find that kind of comment all that helpful.
Kev-
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srm
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2/21/2008 9:21:44 AM
You should have read some of my reviews.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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2/21/2008 10:40:49 AM
I agree Garageband is devoid of personality, IAC beats that on all levels. I post on Garageband to get reviews. I haver seen the Commando reviews, but for the most part I am getting reviews that have substance, I can tell they really listened.. I have had songs crash and burn over there, but I also have one in the second round with five stars.
I post in Alternative Pop, and a huge problem I see is the number one song has been there for months, maybe years. It was originally posted in 2004. Although I think its a decent song, it is not strong enough to have a stranglehold on the number one spot. I think they have a serious problem over there with regards to realistic charts, it seems I cannot get passed a certain position...their is a logjam that is not moving. Garageband has its good points, I like the blind review process that stops the hand holding back slaps. For the most part I find I get honest feedback. On IAC, to me when someone adds my song to a station, that is a positive reviw and it makes me smile everytime...I Love this place!!! :)
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Camdie
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2/21/2008 11:30:33 AM
---- Updated 2/21/2008 11:30:33 AM
I agree with all of you 100%! I think GB's original intent was to launch new music recording careers to the many artists who would have never had a chance to be heard without it. But as many of us know it is very difficult to...and/or you are very lucky to be able to make a career out it. That's where IAC comes in...It allows you to post your music as an artist for people to enjoy, hate or whatever without the same pressure as GB. For me, music is an art that can always be improved by honing in on every flaw until it is immaculate. But many times this kills the art/soul.
I like mistakes and it is my opinion that most art is born out of mistakes. In fact...there are many who believe that life itself is one big accident…dare I say mistake? But I digress.
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Jeff Allen Myers
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2/21/2008 12:07:00 PM
I agree, a song does not have to be polished or perfect to have merit. I can't stand it on Garageband when someone rips my song by nitpicking the Mix, EQ, etc...I want to yell back.."Hello! I am sitting in my Bedroom pushing Play, and trying to get the best take I can, I am not stuck on perfect, I just want the Song!" :)
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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2/21/2008 1:48:57 PM
one thing IAC has over All other sites ---as Larree mentioned is the Artist community---it's real and has aspects of a "Supportive Family"
Another is the stations format---and I would advise all new members to have at least one station----
and another is the view that music is actually a form of Art---not a product---and should be viewed accordingly----I could go on !
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satch
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2/21/2008 1:51:20 PM
Aaah Garageband. What a weird place that was! We had all kinds of reviews for a couple of Susan's songs that we posted there, some good, some unbelievable. We even had one reviewer who claimed that Susan should quit the music biz because she couldn't sing :)
This place is much more friendly... though I do find that sometimes at IAC there is a little antipathy towards those artists who do produce music with high production values...
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Chris Hance
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2/21/2008 2:31:51 PM
@ satch, re antipathy,
I dont know about that, but I personally veer off stuff that sets out to emulate a corporate sound such as may be heard on the average fm "ad sponsored" type of radio station,
But that said I do appreciate the benefits of the digital compression fx known as broadcast, lol..
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Jeff Allen Myers
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2/21/2008 2:38:06 PM
"Antipathy" good word :) I don't feel there is any dislike for high production values here, I believe a person should be commended for wanting to present their music in the best way possible. I lie somewhere in the middle, I try to have solid production values, but I am not obsessed with them. Its enough with my limited time to track the song to begin with, If I get stuck on the production values I will not get anything done :) Overall I am pretty happy with my sound.
There are some that derive their magic from having limited production values, it all begins with the song and the manner it is expressed.. I read a thread here where "soul" was a large ingredient of a good song...I agree with that, you can always tell an Artist who believes in what they are doing. Their love comes through strong in the Song...and can make an average song truly special.
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Steve Ison
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2/21/2008 4:35:54 PM
One of the sad things about Garageband i think is that they didn't develop..
When i first went 4 years ago i thought 'blind reviewing' test was a BRILLIANT innovative idea-and for me as a voyeur into what people TRULY think, amazing..
I could get a review,click onto the reviewers artist page and see from the music they made, generally where they were coming from by the comments they made-and as a consequence how much value i placed on what they said..Fascinating-and you can't gain that insight anywhere else..
Its not the fault of GB that generally the stuff that reaches the top there is a fascimile of whats currently popular in the charts...
As Scott pointed out on another thread i made disillusioned about the results from a similar 'blind review' site Slice The Pie(where unfortunately you DON'T get to see who's reviewing you),the creative cream dosn't rise to the top..Its just the nature of those kinda sites that those who can master the SOUND will always win over those who have more inspiration and imagination..
Along with soundclick,GB never developed their stations-You can't add comments there-and they looked dreadfully clunky even when i arrived 4 years ago..and havn't changed since then..
IAC station facility on the other hand is far and away the best...The way they look,seeing the reviews on the artist page-Being able to leave comments- brilliant..
Its the real jewel in the crown for me-and i wouldn't be as keen on spending so much time listening and reviewing if there wasn't such a great creative,interactive
reviewing facility here..I'm suprised other sites havn't developed there's too.Maybe they're abit stupid.
One of the good things personally about being on GB was it toughened me up abit...As well as receiving alot of glowing reviews,i got alot of scathing ones.Seeing where people were coming from who hated my lovingly made 'masterpieces' lol and why they didn't like them was a great lesson..
If someone dosn't like your song here,you won't know why.It'll just fade off into the distant lower regions of the charts with no station adds as the only proof.
When people offer up new songs on the pipeline here and say 'what do you think?',we all know they really mean they only want a positive opinion.Its an unwritten-but very obvious-rule.
If i don't like something i hear from on one of those threads,i'd just say nothing-regardless of the exhortation to say what i think..
There's alot of good things about that approach- it fosters harmony and a goodwill community feeling-but it can also encourage blandness and dishonesty..
So sites like Slice The Pie and GB do offer some things which IAC isn't equipped to give..and (of course) visa versa..
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Larry Killip
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2/21/2008 8:02:10 PM
Well,
It wasn't that long ago I joined IAC, December 2007 in fact.
Been on Garageband, even had a top song there in 1999 (oh so long ago), the review process was harrowing because for every positive there were a bunch of negatives, and quite nasty too. But that was back then, I'm sure it's a much better place now, I think I'm still there.
However, IAC was a great find. It was immediatly obvious that the community here were friendly and it didn't take me long to find the place addictive!! In the nicest way.
Luck probably played a part, but here's what happened to me this week all because of IAC.
Joined, got on a few stations and even the underground 40. Next thing one of my songs gets into the Cashbox Pop picks. The chosen song was not one I thought was a mover and shaker, perhaps others might have moved up first so that was my first suprise. A few weeks passed and next thing I'm number One on Cashbox Pop picks.
OK, it's all kudos and no money but...next thing I'm in the local paper here in Auckland New Zealand, and then the next thing I'm on national radio being interviewed!
And you know, that kinda means being on IAC for me beats any result from any other music site I've ever been on and I've been on a few including the original mp3.com.
Larry Killip
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Pulse Eternal
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2/21/2008 8:19:06 PM
Larry,
That is awesome news! Congrats buddy!
I've never been on GB but I have been a member of other sites and was on mp3.com YEARS ago when it used to actually be reasonably good.
As others have found, none of the other sites currently have the same supportive community feel.
As for people commenting on my songs, perhaps I'll have to start mentioning that I'd love to hear both compliments AND constructive criticism. It is the latter that often inspires new ideas. :-)
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Kevin White
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2/22/2008 11:08:51 AM
Regarding above mention of "production value" ... I sort of view it all part and parcel to the whole art of creation.
I.E. "if it can be done well, why not do it well?"
Of course, one cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear. If the song just isn't there to begin with, no amount of manufacture can improve upon it.
OTOH, if the song is great, a cassette recording of it will do.
Still, if I'm going to invest time, energy and money into my creations ... I try to make them the best possible productions I can.
I don't believe there's any harm in making something sound the best it can ... even if it does sound "corporate radio" ready.
Kev-
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Jeff Allen Myers
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2/22/2008 11:17:14 AM
I agree Kevin...
How many different phrases demonstrate the production point?
"one cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear"
I have also heard these. "You can't polish a turd", and "If you dress up a pig, it just a nicely dressed Pig"
Are there any more?? please post them :)
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The CODE
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2/22/2008 11:30:25 AM
Never been on GBand - so looks like I missed out on all the crap!!!
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Kevin White
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2/22/2008 11:32:33 AM
Another variation of the "pig" theme:
"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still just a pig with lipstick."
Kev-
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Kevin White
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2/22/2008 11:48:29 AM
Oh ... and with the right tools, one can polish a turd:
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Pulse Eternal
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2/22/2008 8:52:17 PM
Quote by Larree"New ideas? Like, new ways to destroy watermelons, automobiles, and critics with your bare hands? :D"
ROFL :-D
I guess constructive criticism could inspire such activities!!!!
Kev,
That Turd Polisher is a classic!!! Is that actually a real plugin?
I agree with you totally on production values too. For me, as a professional recording and mastering engineer, it is just part of my DNA to make whatever I am working on sound as good as I can. Audio production and quality is as much a passion and artistic pursuit for me as writing and performing music.
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srm
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2/22/2008 10:11:44 PM
Larree's opinions sound more like 'destructive criticism'. Btw, I agree with SPL (and others here) that sound quality shouldn't be discounted. Like any artist, I prefer that my 'product' look and sound as good as possible.
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Vincenzo Pandolfi
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2/22/2008 11:00:38 PM
In a perfect world, sound quality, performance etc, should not detract from the value of a song, but unfortunately if the song is badly sung or the quality of the recording is very poor, it is a bit like trying to read a good story full of spelling errors/typos, you just cann't getta pasta tha erorrs...
Vincenzo
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Pulse Eternal
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2/22/2008 11:03:18 PM
Did someone just say Pasta?!! Mmmmmmmm.....SuperPuss LOVES Spaghetti Bolognese :-)
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Vincenzo Pandolfi
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2/23/2008 5:16:54 AM
Ha...Ha..Ha...Superpuss, I make some of the best!!!
But did you know that what we call Bolognese in Australia, U.S. etc is actually Ragu`. Real bolognese has virtually no tomato in it!! So I make good ragu`...
Ciao,
Vincenzo
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Kevin White
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2/23/2008 7:09:54 AM
SP -- lol ... unfortunately, no ... the turd polisher plugin isn't real. Too bad too ... for there's a TON of stuff I can think of that I could use it on. :-D
V - The north end of Boston (known as the Italian section) does the "real" version of the sauce. It's unbelievably tasty.
My apologies for wandering further off subject ...
Garageband ... um ... could use considerable improvement of its business model.
Okay ... there we go, back on track ...
:-D
Kev-
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Pulse Eternal
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2/23/2008 9:55:52 PM
Vincenzo,
I was unaware that 'real' bolognese contains very little tomato. I'm actually allergic to tomatoes so I can't tolerate very much of it. It sounds like authentic bolognese might be well worth a try for me!
Spaghetti Bolognese minus the migraines! Yay!
You wouldn't happen to have any good authentic recipes handy would you?
Kev,
Maybe we could work on releasing a real Turd Polisher!!
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srm
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2/23/2008 10:08:42 PM
Just spray-paint them gold.
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Pulse Eternal
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2/24/2008 3:09:26 AM
ROFL Steve!!! :-D
Not a bad idea!
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